Cork City bus route map

n97 mini

I'll be looking to get from the Travelodge (Frankfield Road, Kinsale Road Roundabout) to North Mall and wondering can this be done by public transport?

foggy_lad

Get the number 203/3 from Ballyphehane into the centre then number 205/5 out to the mercy hospital, or try for the 249 bus from the airport to the bus station and walk around to Patrick street for the 205/5

Typewriter

Probably not much help...



Very crude and a bit old (add 200 to all those numbers,e.g. the No. 7 is now No. 207, No. 19 is now No. 219 etc.)



Actually looking at that City map you'd wonder why the 205(old 5) doesn't go to Glanmire and the 207 (old 7) doesn't go to Carrigaline.

n97 mini

I have to say in terms of lack of maps and information Dublin Bus is a relative disaster.

But my God, BE and the Cork city service -- that makes Dublin Bus look like a well oiled machine.

Cookie_Monster

much easier to do with less than 25 routes though;)

i like those maps though, they're good.

The diagonal line on the right for 19 looks a bit wrong though compared to the rest

AngryLips

n97 mini wrote: »

I have to say in terms of lack of maps and information Dublin Bus is a relative disaster.

What bus operator would qualify as having good maps? The Dublin Bus ones are based on those used for busses in London...

n97 mini

AngryLips wrote: »

What bus operator would qualify as having good maps?

Good a reason as any not to try I suppose.

n97 mini

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

much easier to do with less than 25 routes though;)

i like those maps though, they're good.

The diagonal line on the right for 19 looks a bit wrong though compared to the rest

Unless you know Cork those maps are nice but useless. Where's the Kinsale Rd Roundabout for example? It's a pretty major landmark.

Also, the airport bus routes seem to be optional.

This is probably the best map as it has the landmarks...

LXFlyer

To be fair until the Network Direct project is finished there is little point in publishing maps as the routes are changing that frequently.

I would hope that there will be a major drive to get this rectified once the final phase is completed, with maps at stops and online.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

Unless you know Cork those maps are nice but useless. Where's the Kinsale Rd Roundabout for example? It's a pretty major landmark.

Also, the airport bus routes seem to be optional.

This is probably the best map as it has the landmarks...

To be fair the BE maps are excellent schematic maps - that's what they are designed to be. Plenty of cities, such as London, use schematic maps to represent the service.

I'm not sure why necessarily the Kinsale Roundabout ought to be shown as no bus actually stops there!!

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm not sure why necessarily the Kinsale Roundabout ought to be shown as no bus actually stops there!!

Because it's a landmark. I've no idea where it is in relation to the schematic maps, and as a visitor to Cork I find those maps useless.

LXFlyer

I would have to disagree with you - the maps show the areas that each route serves on a schematic basis and I think that they do that very well. Maybe I am more used to using schematic maps than you are?

As I've said - no bus serves the Kinsale Road roundabout - hence it isn't on it!

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

As I've said - no bus serves the Kinsale Road roundabout - hence it isn't on it!

It would appear 2 routes go through it, so are there no stops near it?

Do those maps show all the stops?

Where exactly is the 206 terminus?

invinciblePRSTV

As I've said - no bus serves the Kinsale Road roundabout - hence it isn't on it!

3 Bus services run through or near the Kinsale road roundabout. The 206, which has its terminus a km up the grange road from the travelodge, (up the hill,past the petrol station) and would be the best option for the op imo given it has a frequent timetable and is closest to the hotel.

Next best option is, as has been mentioned, is the 203 but which would require a significant walk from the travelodge to reach its closest bus stop in Ballyp/Turners cross.

Then there is the 226/249 services which has an inbound stop on the airport hill at the signalised junction where the car dealership is. Not worth walking to this one OP as the service is infrequent and is a long, long walk in comparison to the other 2.

n97 mini

Thanks a million invinciblePRSTV -- that's the kind of info you can't get from a schematic map!

LXFlyer

There is no stop near the Kinsale Roundabout on either route 249 or 226 (both suburban routes), which are the two routes that operate through it.

The 206 is closest but is still a good walk away.

Again the maps are schematic - they do not show every bus stop - just the main locations that they serve.

Given no bus actually serves the roundabout, it does not feature.

n97 mini

Could someone give me the co-ords of the Terminus of the 206 please, so that I can look it up on google maps?

Again, schematic maps are aspirational and don't show the required level of detail.

invinciblePRSTV

lxflyer wrote: »

There is no stop near the Kinsale Roundabout on either route 249 or 226 (both suburban routes), which are the two routes that operate through it.

Obviously we might have differing interpretations of what "near" means but i'd reckon its quite reasonable to suggest the stops at the Forge Hill junction - which are maximum 10 minute walk downhill to the R/A - are close enough to be considered near the Kinsale rd. R/A.

invinciblePRSTV

n97 mini wrote: »

Could someone give me the co-ords of the Terminus of the 206 please, so that I can look it up on google maps?

Again, schematic maps are aspirational and don't show the required level of detail.

I can't give co-ords but can give old fashioned directions if its any good?

Walk up hill past petrol station + industrial estate, road remains steep and twisty. There is a footpath there afair.

Come to signalised junction, walk straight thru uphill.

After the junction to your immediate right you'll spot a bus stop and possibly an idle bus dwelling there. You're there.

Once you walk it you'll realise how short it is.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

Could someone give me the co-ords of the Terminus of the 206 please, so that I can look it up on google maps?

Again, schematic maps are aspirational and don't show the required level of detail.

Nor are they supposed to...the London Underground map doesn't show you exactly where the stops are either!

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

Obviously we might have differing interpretations of what "near" means but i'd reckon its quite reasonable to suggest the stops at the Forge Hill junction - which are maximum 10 minute walk downhill to the R/A - are close enough to be considered near the Kinsale rd. R/A.

I would not think that merits being shown on a schematic map as serving Kinsale Roundabout. A 10 minute walk does not equate in my mind to serving a particular location.

But lets agree to disagree on that.

n97 mini

Is this it?

http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=cork&hl=en&ll=51.867403,-8.46782&spn=0.011249,0.027874&sll=53.359568,-6.482792&sspn=0.043488,0.111494&vpsrc=6&hnear=Cork,+County+Cathair+Chorcaigh&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.867324,-8.467563&panoid=jjKb8sXSfGD3olzolks7Bw&cbp=12,153.09,,0,0

LXFlyer

206 timetable is here.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Nor are they supposed to...the London Underground map doesn't show you exactly where the stops are either!

It does show you all the stops tho, doesn't it! In addition Tube stations are landmarks in themselves and easily looked up, bus stops are not landmarks.

twowheelsonly

n97 mini wrote: »

Could someone give me the co-ords of the Terminus of the 206 please, so that I can look it up on google maps?

Again, schematic maps are aspirational and don't show the required level of detail.

Dont have the co-ordinates but if you look at Google Maps - Head up Frankfield Road from the Travelodge and at the first left turn (into a housing estate) the terminus is just about there.

Does anybody know if you can use the Park and Ride service without a car??
I'd imagine that it's the closest and would certainly be the fastest way of getting into town.

OP, that's just North of the Travelodge, jammed in between the Kinsale Road and the S City Link Road

invinciblePRSTV

twowheelsonly wrote: »

n97 mini wrote: »

Could someone give me the co-ords of the Terminus of the 206 please, so that I can look it up on google maps?

Again, schematic maps are aspirational and don't show the required level of detail.

Dont have the co-ordinates but if you look at Google Maps - Head up Frankfield Road from the Travelodge and at the first left turn (into a housing estate) the terminus is just about there.

Does anybody know if you can use the Park and Ride service without a car??
I'd imagine that it's the closest and would certainly be the fastest way of getting into town.

OP, that's just North of the Travelodge, jammed in between the Kinsale Road and the S City Link Road

Good point on the P+R, it's definitely the quickest bus into the CC, but isn't 5 euro for the fare? that would be the main drawback of using it, along with how the service finishes rather early at 7 or 7.30 from memory.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

It does show you all the stops tho, doesn't it! In addition Tube stations are landmarks in themselves and easily looked up, bus stops are not landmarks.

Of course it shows every stop - it is a railway map. But it is still schematic.

However, take the TfL spider maps for London Bus - they do not show every single stop, rather major locations along each route.

A schematic map is not intended to show every stop - it gives you a clear overview of the network. I would contend that map does exactly that. It is certainly a vast improvement on what was there before.

Where I suspect we do not disagree for once, is in my view that BE/NTA need to develop something similar to the DB google maps facility for each route that then does show the location of each stop.

n97 mini

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

Good point on the P+R, it's definitely the quickest bus into the CC, but isn't 5 euro for the fare?

I would only be travelling single aswell as I will probably be returning after the last bus!

Hardly any such thing as a single on the P&R is there?

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

It is certainly a vast improvement on what was there before.

Well I'm just saying as a visitor to Cork they were completely useless for me, and were zero help in trying to plan a journey.

LXFlyer

Perhaps the hotel should give directions to local public transport also on their website?

Like most hotel sites it assumes you are driving.

This is something that hotels in Ireland are particularly poor at doing.

Victor

The 206 terminus is actually only about 600m from the Travelodge: http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Grange+Rd&daddr=Frankfield+Rd&hl=en&ll=51.870052,-8.468506&spn=0.006929,0.01929&sll=51.867403,-8.46782&sspn=0.00693,0.01929&geocode=FUBuFwMd3M1-_w%3BFXiAFwMdf75-_w&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=16&t=m&z=16 compared to 1500m to Curragh Road for the 203: http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Curragh+Rd&daddr=Frankfield+Rd&hl=en&ll=51.880571,-8.466167&spn=0.027498,0.077162&sll=51.884114,-8.468045&sspn=0.003464,0.009645&geocode=FXivFwMdKcl-_w%3BFXiAFwMdf75-_w&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=14

foggy_lad wrote: »

the centre then number 205/5 out to the mercy hospital

Getting a bus from Cork city centre to anywhere else in Cork city centre is pretty meaningless.

If getting the 203 do this: http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Lavitt%27s+Quay%2FN20&daddr=N+Mall&hl=en&ll=51.901998,-8.473313&spn=0.006871,0.01929&sll=51.902474,-8.474171&sspn=0.006924,0.01929&geocode=FenvFwMdUrt-_w%3BFVPzFwMdWZl-_w&vpsrc=6&dirflg=w&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=16&t=m&z=16 However, if the bus has to wait at St. Patrick's Street, just get off and walk.

Typewriter wrote: »

Actually looking at that City map you'd wonder why the 205(old 5) doesn't go to Glanmire and the 207 (old 7) doesn't go to Carrigaline.

They are city routes, not commuter routes.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

i like those maps though, they're good.

They might look pretty, but what do we know about pretty+Irish transport? It means it doesn't work.

lxflyer wrote: »

To be fair the BE maps are excellent schematic maps - that's what they are designed to be.

No, they are utterly appalling and badly misrepresents the routes, e.g. it shows the 3 west of The Lough, when it stays entirely east of it. It suggests CIT is northeast of CUH, when it is in fact northwest. It suggests that the northside sections of the 202 and 203 are roughly parallel when in fact they are somewhat perpendicular. Some minor routes aren't shown at all, e..g no. 9. It suggests teh best route for Pairc Ui Chaoimh is the 205, which has a slight problem. http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=The+Marina&daddr=Lower+Glanmire+Rd%2FN8&hl=en&sll=51.902607,-8.441105&sspn=0.027485,0.077162&geocode=FaDqFwMdbkp__w%3BFXD3FwMdDPB-_w&vpsrc=0&dirflg=w&mra=ltm&t=m&z=15

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Perhaps the hotel should give directions to local public transport also on their website?

Maybe they couldn't figure out the maps either!

LXFlyer

I still think you are both being a bit over the top but I really don't have the time to argue this. Let's agree to disagree.

As for the hotel - for goodness sakes - that is basic information on their own website that should be their responsiblity to do.

Victor

This is an extract of routes 203, 214 and 219 in the south west corner of the city.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

As for the hotel - for goodness sakes - that is basic information on their own website that should be their responsiblity to do.

Take the top 20 hotels in Cork and see do any of them have information on their website about Bus Eireann city services.

Then go to the Bus Eireann website and see how much information they have about the top 20 hotels in Cork.

Information about bus routes is Bus Eireann's responsibility.

Information about hotels is the hotelier's responsibility.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

Take the top 20 hotels in Cork and see do any of them have information on their website about Bus Eireann city services.

Then go to the Bus Eireann website and see how much information they have about the top 20 hotels in Cork.

Information about bus routes is Bus Eireann's responsibility.

Information about hotels is the hotelier's responsibility.

Most hotels will have a "how to get here" or "directions" or "location" section and most hotels in Ireland in that section never show any public transport options.

I don't think it is too much to ask that hotels do include this information on their own website?

But perhaps you do?

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Most hotels will have a "how to get here" or "directions" or "location" section and most hotels in Ireland in that section never show any public transport options.

I don't think it is too much to ask that hotels do include this information on their own website?

But perhaps you do?

I think it's reasonable yes, once BE have comprehensive information about their bus services, including decent maps, on their website first.

Do you think that's unreasonable?

LXFlyer

Well I don't know of too many bus companies that list hotels on their websites no.

I would expect a hotel to at least do that much research themselves given they are going to be telling guests at reception how to get to somewhere?

But then again you always do turn everything into either Dublin Bus, Irish Rail or Bus Eireann's responsibility so there's not much point in continuing this conversation.

Time for the ignore button.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Well I don't know of too many bus companies that list hotels on their websites no.

I've edited my post as you have picked it up wrong.

As regards responsibilities, it is the responsibly of CIE companies to provide proper information. Simple as.

parsi

n97 mini wrote: »

I would only be travelling single aswell as I will probably be returning after the last bus!

Hardly any such thing as a single on the P&R is there?

They don't check tickets.

n97 mini

I'll probably get the 206. I've only been in Cork maybe 5 or 6 times, nearly always for work, so it's been in and out again. Looking forward to seeing some of the city.