New Mazda 6 Z Sport or second hand BMW 520 (2010)

mayo01

Hi folks.

I am considering buy a new Mazda 6 Z Sport but cannot decide if I shoudl buy a second hand BMW 520 instead? any ideas?

Max Power1

Get the beemer, no second thought needed
The two cars quoted are worlds apart imo.

mayo01

I know wht you are saying but woudl I not be better off to have a 2012 car than a 2010?

Max Power1

mayo01 wrote: »

I know wht you are saying but woudl I not be better off to have a 2012 car than a 2010?

Tea 1000

Max Power1 wrote: »

Get the beemer, no second thought needed
The two cars quoted are worlds apart imo.

They're not worlds apart in fairness, but the Beemer is two classes up from the Mazda, so there is a large degree of difference.
It'll be the older model 5-series in 2010 if that bothers you, but other than that, it depends on yourself really. The year means nothing, but if you like the peace of mind of a full 3 year warranty etc and having a new car over a nicer interior and more comfort and refinement then it's your choice. Only a test drive will reveal to you which you are happy to part the hard earned with.

EPM

Max Power1 wrote: »

Get the beemer, no second thought needed
The two cars quoted are worlds apart imo.

Not a huge difference but the 5 series is a bigger, more refined car. They may be ten a penny but for a very good reason.

Benny Cake

The new Mazda will depreciate exponentially more than the 2010 BMW.

And its a Mazda.

mickdw

Tea 1000 wrote: »

It'll be the older model 5-series in 2010

Lots of 10 plate new model 5 series around

rebel.ranter

Most 2nd hand BMW dealer supplied cars come with a 2 year warranty as standard. So warranty is probably not the deal breaker element.
Personally I'd prefer the BMW. I think it has more kerb appeal, probably a nicer drive, bigger, more comfortable. The difference in specification would be an interesting one, as in, what kit you're getting for your money.

As for the number plate, in 12 months time it's an old car anyway. A 3 year old BMW will look a hell of a lot more upmarket than a one year old Mazda.

How long are you planning on keep it? e.g. 5 years Another interesting thing to do would be to compare the potential depreciation of a 5 year old Mazda from new versus 7 year old BMW 5 from 2 years old, i.e. the values of newer car minus the value of the older car. You'd have to do your best to find similar specs but you get the idea.
To me the Mazda 6 just looks like an unpopular rep mobeil. Sorry if that offends anyone but it's only my opinion so what does it matter!

lomb

Id actually go with neither.
Its not just the initial cost, its the depreciation and running costs that matter.
I reakon 2008 preferably a late one is the sweet spot on most cars for cost versus depreciation versus newness. Youve got a very new car for about a third of new.
Older sports cars are ok too as they tend to balance it with lower miles and being looked after money no object.
Id shoot for something like 08 5 series or A4 tbh.

Anan1

mayo01 wrote: »

Hi folks.

I am considering buy a new Mazda 6 Z Sport but cannot decide if I shoudl buy a second hand BMW 520 instead? any ideas?

I assume you've driven both? If not then start there.

MetzgerMeister

Benny Cake wrote: »

And its a Mazda.

And what's wrong with a Mazda?

Jimdagym

Buy the Mazda and help save the economy.

veetwin

Jimdagym wrote: »

Buy the Mazda and help save the economy.

The Japanese economy?

Squall19

Or buy a Mazda 6 MPS, you'll need alot more than a common 520i/d to match that:p



4WD, 268bhp, 0-60 6 seconds.

If you buy a 520i/d people will think your too cheap to buy a proper engined car.

170bhp, 1600kg and pay through the teeth for it, no thanks.

A bit of fun for your money no?

Max Power1

Squall19 wrote: »

Or buy a Mazda 6 MPS, you'll need alot more than a common 520i/d to match that:p

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4WD, 268bhp, 0-60 6 seconds.

If you buy a 520i/d people will think your too cheap to buy a proper engined car.

170bhp, 1600kg and pay through the teeth for it, no thanks.

A bit of fun for your money no?

Still, at the end of the day its a mazda.
Wouldnt own one if you gave it to me for free.

166man

Max Power1 wrote: »

Still, at the end of the day its a mazda.
Wouldnt own one if you gave it to me for free.

Care to elaborate on the whole ''it's a Mazda'' arguement?

Max Power1

166man wrote: »

Care to elaborate on the whole ''it's a Mazda'' arguement?

It will depreciate like a lead balloon for one. Also there is no prestige in owning a mazda.

Compton

Max Power1 wrote: »

It will depreciate like a lead balloon for one. Also there is no prestige in owning a mazda.

When you can get a 08 model for 7-8k who cares?

Nonoperational

Max Power1 wrote: »

Still, at the end of the day its a mazda.
Wouldnt own one if you gave it to me for free.

You wouldn't own a 6 MPS if it was given to you for free?

That's an extremely bizarre comment for me. What car do you drive now? Personally I'd admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day! Mazda 6 depreciation isn't the worst either.

BTW I'd probably go the the BMW if it had the 2 year warranty, but have a drive of both.

langdang

Max Power1 wrote: »

It will depreciate like a lead balloon for one. Also there is no prestige in owning a mazda.

There's no prestige in owning any car that you can see a skanger with his tracksuit pants tucked into his socks driving like a gimp. Audi, BMW, Merc, RangeRover, you'll see a skanger or worse driving it, usually a higher spec model than "prestigious" people with legitimate "prestigious" incomes can afford. 520d's are as common as muck man.

166man

Max Power1 wrote: »

It will depreciate like a lead balloon for one. Also there is no prestige in owning a mazda.

They aren't that bad depreciation wise and the 520d is hardly the last word in prestige. It's a strange dilemma for the OP, and I myself would have the BMW but I still like Mazda's and think they're great cars.:)

Max Power1

gpf101 wrote: »

You wouldn't own a 6 MPS if it was given to you for free?

That's an extremely bizarre comment for me. What car do you drive now? Personally I'd admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day! Mazda 6 depreciation isn't the worst either.

BTW I'd probably go the the BMW if it had the 2 year warranty, but have a drive of both.

I wouldnt own it no, I would sell it to someone mad enough to want a mazda.

To answer your other question, I currently drive a golf TDI and am planning to change this to an E60 520d/530d later this year. I guess thats two stereotype groups hit.

I dont think the vast majority of people would admire any mazda (bar an MX5) more than any BMW, so I think your comment "admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day" is the bizarrist comment of the year so far.

Homer

Max Power1 wrote: »

I dont think the vast majority of people would admire any mazda (bar an MX5) more than any BMW, so I think your comment "admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day" is the bizarrist comment of the year so far.

It's just his personal opinion hardly worthy of "bizarrest comment of the year" Jeez some people take Motors waaaay to seriously..

166man

Max Power1 wrote: »

I wouldnt own it no, I would sell it to someone mad enough to want a mazda.

To answer your other question, I currently drive a golf TDI and am planning to change this to an E60 520d/530d later this year. I guess thats two stereotype groups hit.

I dont think the vast majority of people would admire any mazda (bar an MX5) more than any BMW, so I think your comment "admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day" is the bizarrist comment of the year so far.

You still haven't explained what your evident ''problem'' is with a Mazda? I most certainly would admire a Mazda 6 MPS driver a hell of a lot more than a 520d owner. I would only have the BMW if my annual mileage warranted it...

jsd1004

Homer wrote: »

It's just his personal opinion hardly worthy of "bizarrest comment of the year" Jeez some people take Motors waaaay to seriously..

I would have an MPS over a common as muck (cant afford the tax brigade) 520d any day of the week. I have an interest in cars though.

RobAMerc

you need to go drive both. buying a car based on the plate or the badge is surely a recipe for disappointment. If you buy the BMW your inner plate snob will hate you, if you buy the Mazda your inner badge snob will hate you, so go drive them both, which ever one you like form your opinion sitting in and driving it ( not what you think other people will think of you in it ) - then go buy that.

Max Power1

166man wrote: »

You still haven't explained what your evident ''problem'' is with a Mazda? I most certainly would admire a Mazda 6 MPS driver a hell of a lot more than a 520d owner. I would only have the BMW if my annual mileage warranted it...

I already have. There's no prestige to owning a mazda. They will have zero resale value due to depreciation because noone wants one. They are a poor man's repmobile.

Max Power1

Homer wrote: »

It's just his personal opinion hardly worthy of "bizarrest comment of the year" Jeez some people take Motors waaaay to seriously..

My comment was in retort to

gpf101 wrote: »

You wouldn't own a 6 MPS if it was given to you for free?

That's an extremely bizarre comment for me. What car do you drive now? Personally I'd admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day! Mazda 6 depreciation isn't the worst either.

BTW I'd probably go the the BMW if it had the 2 year warranty, but have a drive of both.

jsd1004

Max Power1 wrote: »

I already have. There's no prestige to owning a mazda. They will have zero resale value due to depreciation because noone wants one. They are a poor man's repmobile.

Trade are giving abou 10k for an 08 520d bcause there is so many out there. Thats some depreciation

Max Power1

jsd1004 wrote: »

Trade are giving abou 10k for an 08 520d bcause there is so many out there. Thats some depreciation

Find me an 08 520d for 10k on sale in a dealer and I'll buy it tommorrow (once the spec is not paddy boggo cloth interior and manual gearbox) and also donate 25 Euro to a charity of your choice.

166man

Max Power1 wrote: »

I already have. There's no prestige to owning a mazda. They will have zero resale value due to depreciation because noone wants one. They are a poor man's repmobile.

What do you mean by prestige? Mazda's aren't the worst for depreciation either and I'd like to think they are the smart mans rep mobile. They have good engines, look great, apparently drive well and are the best in class. Plenty of practicality too. Just because it doesn't have a premium badge on the front and soft interior plastics doesn't mean it's a bad car...

Max Power1

166man wrote: »

What do you mean by prestige? Mazda's aren't the worst for depreciation either and I'd like to think they are the smart mans rep mobile. They have good engines, look great, apparently drive well and are the best in class. Plenty of practicality too. Just because it doesn't have a premium badge on the front and soft interior plastics doesn't mean it's a bad car...

Prestige - meaning that sense of class/common appreciation/ the "wow" factor/badge appeal, that cars like BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar etc have.

Meaning that, as they are held as an aspirational car by the general psyche, they will not depreciate as bad as cars like say Mazda/Opel etc.

unkel

Squall19 wrote: »

Or buy a Mazda 6 MPS

Didn't they stop making them though? I don't think there ever was an MPS in the current model?

Anyway, the OP is looking for a €150 tax 50MPG diesel, not a €1,200 tax 20MPG petrol

166man

Max Power1 wrote: »

Prestige - meaning that sense of class/common appreciation/ the "wow" factor/badge appeal, that cars like BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar etc have.

Meaning that, as they are held as an aspirational car by the general psyche, they will not depreciate as bad as cars like say Mazda/Opel etc.

I didn't know that a BMW with a four cylinder diesel engine and cheap leather was classed as having ''wow'' factor and prestige.

Leonard Hofstadter

166man wrote: »

I didn't know that a BMW with a four cylinder diesel engine and cheap leather was classed as having ''wow'' factor and prestige.

Neither did I, until I remembered that this is Ireland, where all kinds of bottom of the range crap is seen as desirable, just look at what people think of poverty spec unreliable 1.4 VW Golfs!

How anyone even remotely interested in cars can say that a bottom of the range 520d is a better car than a 256 bhp four wheel drive Mazda 6 MPS is beyond me though! It must be the same kind of people who want Terenure moved from Dublin South Central to Dublin South East because of their "cultural affinity" to that constituency (basically snobbery). Of course something like a 535i is better than a 6 MPS, but a poverty spec 520d? Seriously?

MetzgerMeister

Max Power1 wrote: »

I dont think the vast majority of people would admire any mazda (bar an MX5) more than any BMW, so I think your comment "admire a 6 MPS more than a 520d any day" is the bizarrist comment of the year so far.

RX7, RX8, 3MPS, 6MPS - all much more fun cars to own than a 520d.

Fun very rarely gets boring, prestige does.

166man

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

RX7, RX8, 3MPS, 6MPS - all much more fun cars to own than a 520d.

Fun very rarely gets boring, prestige does.

BOOM! Was waiting for you to comment on this thread, I'd like to add the Mazda 6 with the 2.2D(182) engine to the list...:D

EPM

Anyhow...this isn't helping the OP so back on topic...

galwaytt

veetwin wrote: »

The Japanese economy?

Why not ? we're already propping/are part of, the German one....time to spread The Love.........:)

MetzgerMeister

unkel wrote: »

Didn't they stop making them though? I don't think there ever was an MPS in the current model?

True, no MPS with this model due to the chassis I think, I don't really know much about it after that. There will however be an MPS with the next model.

As 166 man mentioned, the 2.2D was a consolation for no MPS.

Also, if there was an MPS with the current model, it'd be €2,100 tax and 100 spg

pajo1981

166man wrote: »

What do you mean by prestige? Mazda's aren't the worst for depreciation either and I'd like to think they are the smart mans rep mobile. They have good engines, look great, apparently drive well and are the best in class. Plenty of practicality too. Just because it doesn't have a premium badge on the front and soft interior plastics doesn't mean it's a bad car...

Peugeot engines, ford chasis, and the most miserable interior in their class :pac:

pajo1981

galwaytt wrote: »

Why not ? we're already propping/are part of, the German one....time to spread The Love.........:)

Other way around.

langdang

pajo1981 wrote: »

Peugeot engines

in the 6?

Ford/Mazda shared chassis? Shur jag was mentioned here already as prestige, isn't that only ford/mazda/volvo under it all if you want to go this road?

Leonard Hofstadter

pajo1981 wrote: »

Peugeot engines, ford chasis, and the most miserable interior in their class :pac:

You couldn't be more ill-informed if you tried.

The Mazda 6 and the Ford Mondeo have nothing in common, and what's more they never had. Ford does make a Mondeo sized car that is based on the 6, but it's the US market Fusion, and with the forthcoming Mk5 Mondeo (which will also be called Fusion in the US) they will no longer have a Mondeo sized car with any oriental connections whatsoever.

The 6 never used Peugeot HDi engines (or Ford TDCi engines for that matter) either, and more's the pity they didn't, considering how troublesome Mazda's in house diesel is.

EPM

EPM wrote: »

Anyhow...this isn't helping the OP so back on topic...

This tit for tat isn't helping the OP, feel free to use the OT thread however.

pburns

Max Power1 wrote: »

I wouldnt own it no, I would sell it to someone mad enough to want a mazda.

To answer your other question, I currently drive a golf TDI and am planning to change this to an E60 520d/530d later this year...

So a Mazda is Jap tat but a VW TDI is an aspirational launch-pad to one of the 'prestige' German brands you champion :rolleyes:

With a handle like 'Max Power' it's rather ironic that you think a 520d is so much superior to a Mazda 6 MPS.:D:eek:

pajo1981 wrote: »

Peugeot engines, ford chasis, and the most miserable interior in their class :pac:

Maybe the Mazda 3 1.6D or the pick-up thing they do but not much link between Ford/Mazda cars otherwise as captainspeed points out.

I've had a few Mazdas and apart from the problems with the older 2.0D engines they are stupendously under-rated by the blinkered and the ignorant.

mayo01

Well folks, thanks for the replies.

I didn't expect to generate such debate.

I have driven both, the Mazda is the 2.2d 180bhp with the trimmings. I suppose I was looking for something a bit different but I take your points on the depreciation factors.

Idbatterim

Op is it new or old 5 series?

mayo01

Idbatterim wrote: »

Op is it new or old 5 series?

New model, don't like the old

EPM

mayo01 wrote: »

New model, don't like the old

In that case definitely the 520d. Far superior car.