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He didn't make it up. I'm not a member any more but I played for SCGC on the day in question (it was in 2011 just to clear that up) and there's no way in hell that the golf course should have been open. Most greens were water logged, most of the holes were filled to the brim with water, the bunkers were unplayable and the course was pure mush.
Now I'm not saying anything other than what I've already said but I believe that the golf course would have been closed had there not been a match to be played on it as we were only causing damage to it. Of course the Blessington Lakes guys would want to have some home advantage, but in this instance the logical thing to do would have been to play all matches in a much less water logged and much more playable SCGC.
Very interesting. Can i ask was the course open for members before/after the garden county match?
It seems (cooberated hear say
) like a very unsporting call from El Capitano as Mr Sheets statements have been cooberated (assuming this is not the same poster). I've no doubt relations between these two clubs are good but in this particular instance this is a petty decision.
I'd be interested to hear your take on this Mr. Captain seeing as it was probably your call or do u maintain that this did not happen at all. Surely their is some truth in this?0 -
Even ignoring whether this decision was unsporting or not, or whether there were other members playing, common sense should have prevailed. While I was on the golf course that day, the conditions ensured I couldn't play golf to any kind of standard, and that I couldn't enjoy competing with other 'rival' golfers, which is what I took part in the Garden Trophy for. Plus I almost ruined my brand new pair of Ecco golf shoes that I got for Christmas!
I believe (and of course this is just my opinion) had an independent referee or party visited the course to determine whether it was playable or not, they would have sent everyone to SCGC.0 -
Even ignoring whether this decision was unsporting or not, or whether there were other members playing, common sense should have prevailed. While I was on the golf course that day, the conditions ensured I couldn't play golf to any kind of standard, and that I couldn't enjoy competing with other 'rival' golfers, which is what I took part in the Garden Trophy for. Plus I almost ruined my brand new pair of Ecco golf shoes that I got for Christmas!
I believe (and of course this is just my opinion) had an independent referee or party visited the course to determine whether it was playable or not, they would have sent everyone to SCGC.
Jasus, its not the type of pre season tournament that i've been led to believe it was as a newcomer to the leinster/wicklow golf scene. I'd really like to hear Mr. Captains response to this apart from the 'its all lies' response. Surely I don't have 2/3 boards members blatantly lieing for the fun of it here?? After all their is no smoke without fire!!0 -
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Very interesting. Can i ask was the course open for members before/after the garden county match?
It seems (cooberated hear say) like a very unsporting call from El Capitano as Mr Sheets statements have been cooberated (assuming this is not the same poster). I've no doubt relations between these two clubs are good but in this particular instance this is a petty decision.
I'd be interested to hear your take on this Mr. Captain seeing as it was probably your call or do u maintain that this did not happen at all. Surely their is some truth in this?
The lads are entitles to their opinion which is fair enough but I for once agree with Sheet above it has been blown out of proportion!
There was no "call". As far as I know the match was never in question on going ahead or not. The South County manager did not call the match into question before it started. I actually know their manager (Greg) from the last two years quite well so I don't think there are any problems their.
At the end of the day it is the course owner's call to open or close the course and I can assure you had the course been unplayable the match would not have been played as he is very very protective of his course, we actually had to postpone our first match this year even after been offered all 6 matches at our course because the opponents course was closed
This issue has only arisen a year later when it could have been dealt with in last year's thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055752864&page=6
That's all I have to say on the matter and I won't be lured any further into this bottomless argument.
Looking forward to meeting our friends from South County on Saturday and should either course be unplayable there would be no problem playing all 6 matches home or away.0 -
downthemiddle wrote: »Perhaps you would be mannerly enough to answer the simple question. Are you currently a member of either club?
I don't understand what this has to do with it
. If he was a member of one of these clubs last year when this disgraceful act of unsporting behaviour occurred then surely that is enough. Why the question on his current membership status?? Its clear u take exception to what he said but neither u nor ur blessington colleague have offered any alternative to what happened or how Mr. Sheet may have come up with this?
Anyways it seems like Mr. Sheet wishes to forget about the day he played golf in the blessington lakes (literally):D and move on.
Anybody care to suggest a solid Garden County winning match score. I reckon +6/7 should do the job on most matches. The day i played against arklow we played poorly and were prob about 11 over and only lost on 18.0 -
The lads are entitles to their opinion which is fair enough but I for once agree with Sheet above it has been blown out of proportion!
There was no "call". As far as I know the match was never in question on going ahead or not. The South County manager did not call the match into question before it started. I actually know their manager (Greg) from the last two years quite well so I don't think there are any problems their.
At the end of the day it is the course owner's call to open or close the course and I can assure you had the course been unplayable the match would not have been played as he is very very protective of his course, we actually had to postpone our first match this year even after been offered all 6 matches at our course because the opponents course was closed
This issue has only arisen a year later when it could have been dealt with in last year's thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055752864&page=6
That's all I have to say on the matter and I won't be lured any further into this bottomless argument.
Looking forward to meeting our friends from South County on Saturday and should either course be unplayable there would be no problem playing all 6 matches home or away.
Fair enough, prob best left as the views contrast and its clear no general consensus will be reached. Annoys me about Kilcoole not playing all 6 in DH this weekend though as Kilcoole was closed so the DH members who were due to play in Kilcoole went back to DH and played in the 4 ball comp. I'd be interested to hear from Kilcoole members on this just in case the 'hear say' that i was told from a fellow DH team member is biased?
Good luck in the grudge match this saturday guys
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Unglika Norse wrote: »And I finally see an answer to the question as to whether or not it was a members club.
To be honest, i can't see the link between how a one off incident relating to bad sportsmanship or possibly just a bad call on the day in the garden county trophy can be linked to whether or not it was a members club. In fact their participation in this event and other GUI events would lead me to believe it is a members club. I have seen a few of your posts before and don't quite understand what your beef is with clubs that offer cheap membership for those who wish for a GUI handicap. It reduces the barriers of entry to the game of golf (i.e. money) and thus will get more guys playing competitive golf. This should be viewed as a positive during recessionary times surely and will get more people playing competitive golf than if this option was not there which may in turn produce better players etc. 0 -
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To be honest, i can't see the link between how a one off incident relating to bad sportsmanship or possibly just a bad call on the day in the garden county trophy can be linked to whether or not it was a members club. In fact their participation in this event and other GUI events would lead me to believe it is a members club. I have seen a few of your posts before and don't quite understand what your beef is with clubs that offer cheap membership for those who wish for a GUI handicap. It reduces the barriers of entry to the game of golf (i.e. money) and thus will get more guys playing competitive golf. This should be viewed as a positive during recessionary times surely and will get more people playing competitive golf than if this option was not there which may in turn produce better players etc.
Did I mention anything about there being a connection between Blessington and the Garden trophy, I had asked on a few occasions if Blessington was a members club, because I had an interest in whether their membership drive was of primary benefit to the club members or was it a secondary benefit because the fees were going to a propriotor.
I found the answer to that query in one of the replies here.
Now because I am generally to idle to go look but you might point out were my beef is with viable clubs selling cheap memberships.
If you take the time to read the posts I do have a serious problem with clubs that are in NAMA selling cheap memberships and green fees and pulling the whole market down.
I have no problem with a club and in particular with a members club which is owned and run by the members for the benefit of those members and whatever fee structure they need to put in place to try and make ends meet.
When this fiasco of a race to the bottom is over it will be these members clubs or propriotory clubs who have run proper businesses that will be left to pick up the peices caused by clubs who are not in a position for one reason or another to pay the debts that they have accrued.0 -
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