New trains not being commissioned?

bazza1

Sets run 10000 Km during shakedown and testing to satisfy RSC criteria. Type testing is only for general baseline figures. If you type tested a new car, does that mean all other cars need not be tested? Since the original 53 cars were built, there have been several software upgrades and the new build had some bugs that neede to be sorted out. The shakedowns indicated some flaws and these have to be eradicated before acceptance. there were a good few quality snags that needed to be ironed out and this was time consuming. Each vehicle needs to be brake tested in running to a very stringent standard that is not covered by type testing. Each individual set needs this certification, again not covered by type testing. Engine hours need to be built up during testing and diagnostic software tested. Type testing is just a guideline!

dowlingm

Sets 56/57 in traffic.

As far as I can make out that leaves 58,59,60,61,62,63 delivered/pending acceptance and 10,11 not yet received.

foggy_lad

dowlingm wrote: »

Sets 56/57 in traffic.

As far as I can make out that leaves 58,59,60,61,62,63 delivered/pending acceptance and 09,10 not yet received.

They appear to have stopped replacing the faulty power sockets for the moment as there are so many trains with the fault, it could be due to the staff commissioning new trains?

Dublin Spotter

As far as I can make out that leaves 58,59,60,61,62,63 delivered/pending acceptance and 09,10 not yet received.

Thin you mean 10 and 11.

dowlingm

IRN reports 22062/63 in service, so only three trains remain to be commissioned with 22010/11 as yet undelivered. The displacement of 2800s to Limerick has caused 7 2700s to be removed to Inchicore for storage and doubtless more to follow.

dowlingm

Bingo

Pointing out that it took an average of 600 days to get new vehicles approved, the head of Siemens Rolling Stock Dr Hans-Joerg Grundmann said equipment valued at €1·4bn was currently awaiting acceptance in Germany alone, incurring capital servicing costs of around €100m a year. As well as the commercial impact on the suppliers, these unnecessary costs were making rail less competitive against other modes.

Rolling stock acceptance delays at the centre of debate

dowlingm

22060 in service yesterday and with 22061 seen out and about recently I would guess we should be seeing the end of the current commissioning process in the next week or two, with just 10/11 to sort out.

dowlingm

As of yesterday 22061 in service so just 22059 to go for now.

dowlingm

Rumour from IRN: "new" 22010 and 22011 due to arrive shortly.

kieran4003

They are being delivered tomorrow, They will be collected on Alexandra road at 13:45.

Sponge Bob

kieran4003 wrote: »

They are being delivered tomorrow, They will be collected on Alexandra road at 13:45.

These are the replacements for the pair damaged in transit in July 2007. Non???

LXFlyer

Yes.

kieran4003

Sponge Bob wrote: »

These are the replacements for the pair damaged in transit in July 2007. Non???

Yes they are. 10 & 11 were delivered in July 2007, they were then sent back in May 2008 for repairs. The bodyshells on them are the only original parts, everything else has been replaced. At one stage it was thought that the bodies on 10 and 11 would be new bodies and the original bodies of 10 and 11 on two of the ICR's delivered in 2011.

end of the road

i thought 10 and 11s bodies were corroded and thats why they were replaced?

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

i thought 10 and 11s bodies were corroded and thats why they were replaced?

It wasn't the bodies, it was everything in them.

end of the road

Karsini wrote: »

It wasn't the bodies, it was everything in them.

ah i see. well lets hope 1 or 2 more head for rosslare so we can say ta ta to them horid 29s from the 1 or 2 services possibly still being operated by them.

dublinman1990

IRN has reported that 22010 & 22011 were in the country since Friday 17th August.

Here is the post by thewanderersfotopic to include the evidence.

The first two pages of this website also provides the pictures from today's events here.

dowlingm

22059 is in service according to IRN - two more sets to do.

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dowlingm wrote: »

22059 is in service according to IRN - two more sets to do.

good, no excuse for one not to be sent to the rosslare and sligo lines to replace 29 k operations

foggy_lad

kieran4003 wrote: »

Maintainence have concluded that locomotive hauled carragies are cheaper to operate.

When do the public get to see this report and does it include wages for extra staff required for loco-hauled operations?

corktina

...and the extra cost for infrastructure

monument

kieran4003 wrote: »

Maintainence have concluded that locomotive hauled carragies are cheaper to operate.

You may be right, but without any thing to back you up, I have to ask:

Is that actually cheaper to operate, or just cheaper to maintain?

And are they comparing older locos with all the kinks ironed out with newer railcars?

And are their conclusion on paper in a report or just on the back of an envelope, or just something they have in their heads?

kc56

IE have 234 ICR carriages and 256 'rafts', i.e. 22 spares. The 'raft' contains the powerplant and transmission and can be ex-changed over night.

The recently published a tender for maintenance of the rafts. No mention of replacement.

Iarnród Éireann – Irish Rail (IÉ) requires a competent contractor to carry out the maintenance and overhaul of its MTU 6H1800 Power Pack Units fitted to its 22 000 Class Railcars.
Irish Rail has 256 of these power pack types of which 22 are spares, the range of age of the units fall between 0 – 5 years. Full details will be issued to those Candidates shortlisted and invited to tender.
While undertaking Running and Heavy Maintenance, the successful contractor will also provide all necessary support to carry out any casualty maintenance when required or any action required to bring the MTU 6H1800 Power Pack Units back to the optimum operating levels.

Jamie2k9

Maintainence have concluded that locomotive hauled carragies are cheaper to operate.

When the cost to track are considered then I will agree with that statemtnt but the ICR are much more reliable than the loco's.

Losty Dublin

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

When the cost to track are considered then I will agree with that statemtnt but the ICR are much more reliable than the loco's.

DMU's have always needed more time in the service shed over carriages as there is more systems on them to look after. Where they win is in operational flexibility, ease of use, less staff on board and less track wear over a locomotive so their benefits in service are there to be seen.

dowlingm

Done deal. 22010 and 22011 in traffic.

CIE

Losty Dublin wrote: »

DMUs have always needed more time in the service shed over carriages as there is more systems on them to look after. Where they win is in operational flexibility, ease of use, less staff on board and less track wear over a locomotive so their benefits in service are there to be seen

Less track wear? At 139,000 lbs each, the 22000-class carriages aren't too far behind the 141/181 class and their 150,000 lbs each. They've got far more driving wheels than a locomotive as well, and the less-balanced they are, the more pounding the track gets, never mind flat spots on the wheels. Thermodynamics always points to the fact of the more moving parts equalling the more to break down/go wrong/the higher the cost.

Losty Dublin

CIE wrote: »

Less track wear? At 139,000 lbs each, the 22000-class carriages aren't too far behind the 141/181 class and their 150,000 lbs each. They've got far more driving wheels than a locomotive as well, and the less-balanced they are, the more pounding the track gets, never mind flat spots on the wheels. Thermodynamics always points to the fact of the more moving parts equalling the more to break down/go wrong/the higher the cost.

They have less driving wheels per vehicle; there is one powered and one unpowered bogie per carriage. However there are other factors at play that work in their favour. As the driving axle weights are lighter than a loco set, the additional adhesion and grip of several bogies throughout the consist and anti slip systems fitted the end result is less wear and more even wear on track. Better acceleration/deceleration ratios help as do their hydraulic transmission systems which lessens vibrations from the sets compared to locomotives.

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dowlingm wrote: »

Done deal. 22010 and 22011 in traffic.

so that will mean finally an end to 2900 peasant wagon operations on the rosslare and sligo lines? or will us savages still end up being treated to one every so often while an ICR does wastelands to m3 parkway?

Jamie2k9

so that will mean finally an end to 2900 peasant wagon operations on the rosslare and sligo lines? or will us savages still end up being treated to one every so often while an ICR does wastelands to m3 parkway?

Aren't the 2900 used on Rosslare service for capacity reasons and not due to 22k issues. Would expect a better roster for 22000 to be introduced in Jan and would expect Sligo to be top of the list for all 22000.

Remenber only one 22 will now be required for M3 shuttle once it starts thats if they don't change to a 2800/900 instead.