Should we stop trusting people who wear suits?

Chuck Stone

We hear so much about people who wear track-suits and how undesirable they are and how much they are a drain on society.

What about the suit-wearers?

The politicians. The 'expert' economists. The academics. The banksters.

They all wear suits and they've all sustained massive damage on this country.

So should we treat people who wear suits with suspicion or is that just apparel prejudice?

You tell me.

Celly Smunt

If ever i need business with someone i never trust a man in a flashy suit.
Normal suits are fine though.

christ on a bike!

Barney Thingamebob from that show with Willow from Buffy disagrees with this

Chuck Stone

pmcmahon wrote: »

If ever i need business with someone i never trust a man in a flashy suit.
Normal suits are fine though.

So there's a hierarchy of suits?

I know nothing of the hierarchy of suits I'm afraid*.





*not really afraid

Celly Smunt

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So there's a hierarchy of suits?

I know nothing of the hierarchy of suits I'm afraid*.





*not really afraid

I always get suspicious of somebody in a flashy suit for some reason,i think it's down to them showing a persona of "i will do anything,even rip you to better myself" attitude,very salesman-ish

starbelgrade

Funny how you never see good looking nudists.

They're always big fat men with tiny dicks or really old women with saggy, wrinkly tits.

Senna

My mechanic always said "the guy covered in dirt just finished work will always pay, the guy in the suit will try and screw you over".

christ on a bike!

starbelgrade wrote: »

Funny how you never see good looking nudists.

They're always big fat men with tiny dicks or really old women with saggy, wrinkly tits.

Aw man, years of watching Eurotrash cos that's all there was and, don't get me wrong, I towed myself around the room to that carry on, but at least I have hot pert looking girls on demand now.

Virtually of course

Stained Class

Dunno OP.

Would you prefer tracksuit wearing hands down the jocks types running the show?

minidazzler

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So there's a hierarchy of suits?

I know nothing of the hierarchy of suits I'm afraid*.


*not really afraid

Well, a Debenhams off the rack doesn't exactly stand up to a completely and perfectly tailored suit.

chucken1

starbelgrade wrote: »

Funny how you never see good looking nudists.

They're always big fat men with tiny dicks or really old women with saggy, wrinkly tits.

Confident people who dont need clothes as a label??

Anyway..back on topic.

I only trust people who wear normal clothes..no tracksuits or suits. Middle ground is good.

Celly Smunt

Stained Class wrote: »

Dunno OP.

Would you prefer tracksuit wearing hands down the jocks types running the show?

if he was the most competent then most certainly.

Stained Class

pmcmahon wrote: »

if he was the most competent then most certainly.

Vote Anto!:D

Namlub

chucken1 wrote: »

Confident people who dont need clothes as a label??

Anyway..back on topic.

I only trust people who wear normal clothes..no tracksuits or suits. Middle ground is good.

So you you use clothes as a label on others yourself then?

Chuck Stone

Stained Class wrote: »

Dunno OP.

Would you prefer tracksuit wearing hands down the jocks types running the show?

Depends whether they were a sociopathic self-obsessed bastard or not I guess.

But if I were to go by clothes then isn't it suit and uniform wearers who cause the most death and destruction in this world.

You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a dirty rollin'-in-it's-**** pig ain't it?

chucken1

Namlub wrote: »

So you you use clothes as a label on others yourself then?

Ahhhh now. Starbelgrades post asked a question you left out in your quote

And yes..I would see clothes as a label. Tracksuit wearing lads with his lady wearing her pj's to the shop???? Come on, what should I think?

Suit wearing,the same. Ive only ever dealt with people who have no airs and graces, so wearing a suit wont sway me. I think an honest person can dress nicely without going to extremes.

longhalloween

Well I don't trust people with toolbelts, and I don't trust people in tracksuits, so I guess suits would be the natural progression for me.


*puts on tinfoil hat and locks door*

Chuck Stone

chucken1 wrote: »

I think an honest person can dress nicely without going to extremes.

Shame on you Chucken.

People who wear suits are competent by the qualification of the clothes they wear.

They must be taken seriously.

After all they are wearing a suit! You can't wear that uniform unless you know what you're doing... can you?

chucken1

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Shame on you Chucken.

People who wear suits are competent by the qualification of the clothes they wear.

They must be taken seriously.

After all they are wearing a suit! You can't wear that uniform unless you know what you're doing... can you?

Obviously

Sir Gallagher

When it comes to the Dail i think some sort of dress code should be enforced. We've all seen the alternative

christ on a bike!

Ah lads, ye're talking absolute horse manure, though good job OP

A suit is just a pair of clothes, and like wearing any clothes if you aren't chilling out you may as well try to look good
So if you have to wear a suit for work then wear a nice fitted one
The jobs in which you may need to wear a suit for are wide and variable
And even in the 'evil' ones you speak of, ie banking, politics etc, there's still a hell of a lot of decent folk there and should you judge them on their attire then you are small minded and need to get out more.
In my opinion. Which is 100% correct in this instance

chucken1

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

When it comes to the Dail i think some sort of dress code should be enforced. We've all seen the alternative

Thats true,we have seen it

http://www.brasileire.com/userfiles/Brian-Cowen-Pensativo.jpg

Chuck Stone

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

When it comes to the Dail i think some sort of dress code should be enforced. We've all seen the alternative

Sheesh.. I never thought of that now...

castletownman

There are only three things I would fight: the stubborn clasp of a bra, a paternity suit and the urge to vomit whenever I see someone wear brown shoes with a black suit

Chuck Stone

castletownman wrote: »

the urge to vomit whenever I see someone wear brown shoes with a black suit

Yeah, what's up with that coordination blindness?

Clothes snobbery is one thing but matching-shit-up snobbery is something I will admit to 'suffering' from.

Killer Pigeon

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The academics.

Yes the academic/intellectuals! Stop trusting them! Burn all the books! Fahrenheit 451 and all that jazz!!

I think the OP is just jealous because he doesn't have a proper suit.

Chuck Stone

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I think the OP is just jealous because he doesn't have a proper suit.

Ah ha, so you know what a 'proper' suit is compared with an improper suit?

Lol, suit snob.

Next please.

James T Kirk

Robes FTW: Jesus, Ghandi, Dalai Lama, Gandalf.

Then again: bin Laden, Gaddafi etc.

sandmanporto

the guys at the top control but revolution is well overdue. the top players will end the world before we have the courage to stand against our rulers. we as humanity will die quickly because of religion, oil and commodity.

John Doe1

I say we all get naked because then we are on equal footing















And i get to see women's boobilies

Sir Gallagher

chucken1 wrote: »

Thats true,we have seen it

http://www.brasileire.com/userfiles/Brian-Cowen-Pensativo.jpg

Well Wallace is as ropey as they come too plus he has the added bonus of looking like a complete knob also.

Doc Ruby

Senna wrote: »

My mechanic always said "the guy covered in dirt just finished work will always pay, the guy in the suit will try and screw you over".

My mechanic always tries to screw me over. And the worst service I ever got was from an electrician wearing denims. I don't think it matters what they wear tbh.

FruitLover

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So should we treat people who wear suits with suspicion

Way ahead of you.

Killer Pigeon

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Ah ha, so you know what a 'proper' suit is compared with an improper suit?

Lol, suit snob.

Next please.

If it's bought in a shop that's anywhere below the same reputation as Marks & Spencer or Debenhams, then it's not a proper suit. Personally, for a casual suit, I go for Best Menswear.

hooradiation

Chuck Stone wrote: »

We hear so much about people who wear track-suits and how undesirable they are and how much they are a drain on society.

What about the suit-wearers?

The politicians. The 'expert' economists. The academics. The banksters.

They all wear suits and they've all sustained massive damage on this country.

So should we treat people who wear suits with suspicion or is that just apparel prejudice?

You tell me.

Only if you're a stroppy adolescent, in which case who gives have a doddering fuck what you think.

later12

The OP has a good point. If we take Ireland from its inception as a Republic, it was first brought to its knees by the suited middle classes who wanted to lead it to independence by force or 'blood sacrifice'; quite at odds with the political outlook of the rural population which predominated, and who were to be the 'blood sacrifice'.

In fledgling independence, Ireland was built up not by the laissez-faire economic policies of its first bourgeois Government, who had the unfortunate habit of arriving to Parliament in Oxford grey Morning suits, but was driven by the rural peasantry. This lasted throughout most of the 20th century.

Until the 1990s, it was the wellington boot wearer and the man wearing factory overalls who sustained & built Ireland despite their successive governments who, with a few heroic exceptions, thought it best not to interfere.

In the present era, it was when the productive economy began to reap benefits for the Irish, and all the hard work of the agricultural and factory classes began to be awarded financially, that its success was (arguably) manipulated by 'the suited economy': bank staff, government politicians and estate agents, and neglected by others within that sartorial class: academics and opposition politicians.

Ireland, in its troubled history, has far more reason to be wary of the man in a suit than the man in workingmen's clothes.

Ellis Dee

Some people just don't need a suit to command respect.:):)

http://danfabrizio.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/gandhi2.jpg

Mr. CooL ICE

Academics wear suits?

Chuck Stone

hooradiation wrote: »

Only if you're a stroppy adolescent, in which case who gives have a doddering fuck what you think.

What are you on about you silly little person?

Sunnyisland

One must wear what suits oneself :-)

Mark200

Suits make men far more presentable and professional. It also makes them seem like they actually care. Try going into a job interview wearing a tracksuit and see what happens.

If you're in a professional job and can't be bothered paying attention to your appearance when meeting clients then it says a lot.

Also I think having a business dress code in a workplace helps to encourage a sense of professionalism.

Chuck Stone

Mark200 wrote: »

Suits make men far more presentable and professional. It also makes them seem like they actually care. Try going into a job interview wearing a tracksuit and see what happens.

If you're in a professional job and can't be bothered paying attention to your appearance when meeting clients then it says a lot.

Also I think having a business dress code in a workplace helps to encourage a sense of professionalism.

I try to pay attention to how a person conducts themselves rather than what they wear.

suits make men far more ... professional

Lol. ^^

Sunnyisland

In my personal opinion you cant beat a good well fitted personally tailored suit with shoes to match, Yer the man :-)

Mark200

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Mark200 wrote: »

Suits make men far more presentable and professional. It also makes them seem like they actually care. Try going into a job interview wearing a tracksuit and see what happens.

If you're in a professional job and can't be bothered paying attention to your appearance when meeting clients then it says a lot.

Also I think having a business dress code in a workplace helps to encourage a sense of professionalism.

I try to pay attention to how a person conducts themselves rather than what they wear.

Deciding what to wear ans how to wear it is part of conducting yourself. Same way if you're sending out CVs you make sure they are well presented and easy to look at. It'd be a bit stupid to say "well the presentation doesn't matter since the content is there".

People generally want to deal with people who at least appear to make an effort. It obviously depends on what your area.of employment is, but if I owned a business and a consultant came in offering their services I think its quite obvious that I would be less willing to give my money to someone who didn't even bother to dress up. Obviously that doesn't change the fact that you should make sure that they know what they're talking about, but if they can't make an effort to dress up before asking me for money, then what kind of effort would you expect them to put into the rest of their work?

later12

Mark200 wrote: »

Deciding what to wear ans how to wear it is part of conducting yourself.

It isn't really; it's part of tolerating the present, and inevitably temporary, perception of what 'a professional' ought to look like.

When our professional forefathers were starting out in their careers, they were, at various times throughout the modern age, expected to wear tight breeches, ascots, mutton chops, silly beards, all manner of hats, garricks, wigs and waistcoats. Some of these, most notably hats, have only recently died out. Professional dress changes, and it will change.

Deciding what to wear has nothing to do with conduct, or 'conducting oneself' as you suggest. Its popularity is little more than concession to a rather absurd fad. We can be confident that it is a mere concession in light of the fact that men rarely wear suits in their own free time.

Mark200

later10 wrote: »

Mark200 wrote: »

Deciding what to wear ans how to wear it is part of conducting yourself.

It isn't really; it's part of tolerating the present, and inevitably temporary, perception of what 'a professional' ought to look like.

When our professional forefathers were starting out in their careers, they were, at various times throughout the modern age, expected to wear tight breeches, ascots, mutton chops, silly beards, all manner of hats, garricks, wigs and waistcoats. Some of these, most notably hats, have only recently died out. Professional dress changes, and it will change.

Deciding what to wear has nothing to do with conduct, or 'conducting oneself' as you suggest. Its popularity is little more than concession to a rather absurd fad. We can be confident that it is a mere concession in light of the fact that men rarely wear suits in their own free time.

Breaking news: dress styles change over time.

I wasn't claiming that they didn't.

later12

Mark200 wrote: »

Breaking news: dress styles change over time.

I think you missed the point. You're claiming that wearing a suit is 'part of conducting yourself'. It isn't. It's just adhering to a pretty nonsensical fad of fashion.

Some of the most brilliant men of our time are woeful dressers. Thankfully they have greater things to occupy their minds than colour co-ordinating their neckties; and possess the independence of spirit not to be a slave to dress codes.

If we keep this within an Irish context, the fact that a man like Garret FitzgGerald is remembered in the same breath for his odd socks and ruffled hair as for his professionalism and the dignity which he held for his office, then I think your argument comes under some strain.

gigino

never trust what anyone in a suit says.

Mark200

later10 wrote: »

Mark200 wrote: »

Breaking news: dress styles change over time.

I think you missed the point. You're claiming that wearing a suit is 'part of conducting yourself'. It isn't. It's just adhering to a pretty nonsensical fad of fashion.

Some of the most brilliant men of our time are woeful dressers. Thankfully they have greater things to occupy their minds than colour co-ordinating their neckties; and possess the independence of spirit not to be a slave to dress codes.

If we keep this within an Irish context, the fact that a man like Garret FitzgGerald is remembered in the same breath for his odd socks and ruffled hair as for his professionalism and the dignity which he held for his office, then I think your argument comes under some strain.

Well actually, I was claiming that looking well and presentable is part of conducting yourself. A suit being what is, these days, considered as presentable in business.

I never even implied that brilliant people have to wear suits. My point was that it helps a lot. People make judgements about you before you even open your mouth. If you are looking to persuade someone to hire you or to trust you, then presumably you'd want that initial judgement to be as good as possible.

Obviously this doesn't apply to people who already have a well established reputation.

But I'd love to see you go into an interview for a big company dressed in your pjs. See how they take your 'fashion is a fad' line.

paddyandy

If people can't be bothered to dress in a conventionally acceptable way then there's a good chance their business style is open to speculation as well .

Chuck Stone

paddyandy wrote: »

If people can't be bothered to dress in a conventionally acceptable way then there's a good chance their business style is open to speculation as well .

I would have thought the opposite to be true.

People can hide behind their 'fronting up' and buzz words.