Stopped with no tax only bought the van

kearney13

I bought a van there 3 weeks ago with no tax but doe'd and the whole lot. Tonight I came across a checkpoint, I thought everything would be grand with no tax as I only bought the van and only have the look book since last friday so to be fair it would be impossible to get to the tax office with christmas and everything. I was gonna tax it this tuesday anyway but have to go in and show within the next 10 days no problem with that but I thought ya had 6 weeks to tax a vechile after change of ownership

Its not that I'm giving out but being stopped I was just wondering is the 6 week thing true or not?

Never heard of this 6 week thing you speak of.

PCPhoto

all that you have to do is tax it....and bring in proof of tax to a garda station.

problem solved (remember to tax it for december or the gardai will not be happy)

kearney13

I don't know where I heard now tbh but I thought ya were aloud 6 weeks then just back tax it.

Mycroft H

kearney13 wrote: »

I don't know where I heard now tbh but I thought ya were aloud 6 weeks then just back tax it.

Nope.

Go to the tax office when it opens again

166man

kearney13 wrote: »

I don't know where I heard now tbh but I thought ya were aloud 6 weeks then just back tax it.

Or you could just tax it now and not have to worry about meeting more Guards or back taxing it?

kearney13

PCPhoto wrote: »

all that you have to do is tax it....and bring in proof of tax to a garda station.

problem solved (remember to tax it for december or the gardai will not be happy)

Tax if for the year and no worries then I will bring it to them but its a bit of a pain to do all this running around because I'm starting a new job wedensday and have a million and one things to do till then but sure look it, it's the law I'm just happy I didn't get fined

kearney13

166man wrote: »

Or you could just tax it now and not have to worry about meeting more Guards or back taxing it?

Local tax office is opened tuesday so in first thing in the morning

166man

kearney13 wrote: »

Local tax office is opened tuesday so in first thing in the morning

Yeah I didn't literally mean now(!) I just meant over the next few days is easier than back taxing it..:)

scotty1

I have in the last few weeks come across checkpoints where there's a guy with a transport truck lifting a car which I presume don't have tax. This time of the year the garda get a bit excited on tax they must be one group who have to listen to every lame excuse for not having a car tax and the rest.

kearney13

I'm starting a job in new year so ya know want everything in order before I start can't have the gf or mammy running around doing these things no more haha!!

challengemaster

It's illegal to have a vehicle on a public road without tax - there's no grace period when you buy a vehicle to tax it. It's up to garda discretion.

maybe if I repeat this enough times it might catch on....

Stinicker

Is the Van DOE'd because you also need the annual Certificate of Roadworthyness from the DOE test also plus a goods declaration form (this varies by county) if you are going to tax it commercially. Once you do the right thing, tax it and can prove you just bought the van it would take a right mean spirited guard to then fine you.

johnos1984

challengemaster wrote: »

maybe if I repeat this enough times it might catch on....

Stop being so bloody SENSIBLE

barone

you can tax it online as soon as you recieve the log book in the post, just go to pin retrieval instead of enter renewal pin.. you will get a pin in a email and you can tax it there and then.. print page and keep in car till disc arrives..

done it twice this month already

barone

barone wrote: »

you can tax it online as soon as you recieve the log book in the post, just go to pin retrieval instead of enter renewal pin.. you will get a pin in a email and you can tax it there and then.. print page and keep in car till disc arrives..

done it twice this month already

... on a commercial?

barone

not sure bout commercial actualy, i did it with cars

Stinicker

barone wrote: »

not sure bout commercial actualy, i did it with cars

You cannot tax a commercial vehicle online.

Fishtits

barone wrote: »

not sure bout commercial actualy, i did it with cars

For the record, you can not tax a commercial vehicle on line. It may change in the future...

mancduff

challengemaster wrote: »

It's illegal to have a vehicle on a public road without tax - there's no grace period when you buy a vehicle to tax it. It's up to garda discretion.

maybe if I repeat this enough times it might catch on....

Repeat it all you want but in my situation with bringing a van in from the UK you couldn't tax the vehicle without DOE so here's the rigmarole I had to go through.

Get insured, easy enough then DOE so I have to drive it to test centre - fails. Get fixed, sorted. Go tax office "Needs to be weighed" big argument between me, poor girl in tax office and the DOE centre, DOE centre after 20 minutes of playing badminton with my mobile phone between this and that finally concedes that they are wrong and it needs to be weighed me not knowing wtf going on. Get it weighed in a f'ing quarry then go back, get it taxed and I'm finally legal.
This all took a month and a bit from paying the VRT to DOE to fixing fault to passing DOE to going to the tax office then having to weigh the f***ing thing then back to the tax office,

I wanted to kill people at the end of it.

Now unless i had a bloody Chinook helicopter airlifting me everywhere, there is no possible way you can't be on the road untaxed to get it taxed, and I think any gard with a brain in his head (not likely ) would take that into account.

CJhaughey

Stinicker wrote: »

You cannot tax a commercial vehicle online.

Fishtits wrote: »

For the record, you can not tax a commercial vehicle on line. It may change in the future...

Ahem.. Have a read of this.

Jimdagym

CJhaughey wrote: »

Ahem.. Have a read of this.

Owners of commercial vehicles may now renew their tax online, provided they have a current certificate of roadworthiness (valid from the beginning of the new licensing (taxing) period), and in the case of light goods vehicles (vehicles whose design gross vehicle weight is under 3,500 kg) the owner must have submitted form RF111A (declaration that the vehicle will only be used as a goods carrying vehicle in the course of the owners business) to the local motor tax office. Form RF111A is available on our homepage under the link, Motor Tax Forms. Where the requirements set out above are not met, vehicle owners will not receive a pin to renew their tax online, and must renew at the local motor tax office.

That says you can renew some online.

gbee

OP there is a grace time but it's discretionary.

If the officer does not believe you he can seize the vehicle on the spot and you walk home. You don't mention how you proceeded so I must assume the officer has applied discretion in your case.

gbee

Jimdagym wrote: »

That says you can renew some online.

I found I had to get the cert from the tax office, thus effectively ruling out online tax for commercials.

barone

anyone with a van that has doe and no tax can find out right here, click the link and select pin retrieval in blue.. enter details (you dont havta go thru with it )

see will it send you a pin

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/welcome.do;jsessionid=0aa0114730d744a53a37bfb94db09f60ead622f2ee92.e38PaNaSbh0RaO0Pax50

Nissan doctor

gbee wrote: »

OP there is a grace time but it's discretionary.

If the officer does not believe you he can seize the vehicle on the spot and you walk home. You don't mention how you proceeded so I must assume the officer has applied discretion in your case.

What has been said is that there is no official grace period, it doesn't exist.

If the garda on the checkpoint or whatever believes you have a valid enough explaination for not being taxed then he'll likely let you away but he doesn't have to.

The law does stipulate that the garda cannot seize the vehicle for non payment of tax alone until the tax is overdue by 2 months. You can still be fined for not having tax though.

L-M

challengemaster wrote: »

It's illegal to have a vehicle on a public road without tax - there's no grace period when you buy a vehicle to tax it. It's up to garda discretion.

maybe if I repeat this enough times it might catch on....

You buy a car with no tax. What do you do? Trailer it home, park it in your driveway and wait 2-3weeks for the logbook to arrive?

The system is flawed, it's not our fault.

Nissan doctor

Limerick man wrote: »

You buy a car with no tax. What do you do? Trailer it home, park it in your driveway and wait 2-3weeks for the logbook to arrive?

The system is flawed, it's not our fault.

I don't think anyone said that wasn't the case, the point being made is that some people seem to think that there is some official grace period and quote 4 weeks or 6 weeks or whatever when it doesn't exist.

slimjimmc

Limerick man wrote: »

You buy a car with no tax. What do you do? Trailer it home, park it in your driveway and wait 2-3weeks for the logbook to arrive?

The system is flawed, it's not our fault.

Yes
or
you get the car's details and go down to the tax office, complete form RF100a, pay the fee and walk out with a new tax disc.
or
ask the seller to tax it before you buy, even give him the cash if you have to.

scotty1

My son purchased a second hand car last year parked it in the drive for three months until his eighteenth birthday first thing he went to his local Garda station signed a form to say it was off the road went to the motor tax office and taxed it no mess the Garda were very helpful I don't think you can tax a second hand car on line for the first year it may be changed now

L-M

slimjimmc wrote: »

Yes
or
you get the car's details and go down to the tax office, complete form RF100a, pay the fee and walk out with a new tax disc.
or
ask the seller to tax it before you buy, even give him the cash if you have to.

90% of sellers wouldn't tax it for you, I'd imagine. Also, how do you get to the tax office/garda station if there's no tax on it?

kearney13

Things could of been worse and I could of got a fine but thank god I didn't. I just don't need the hassle of going to a station now (closest one to me is 15 mile away) to show all the forms when I've a million and one things to do already but thats life isn't it.

biko

kearney13 wrote: »

I don't know where I heard now tbh but I thought ya were aloud 6 weeks then just back tax it.

No you're not allowed 6 weeks grace. A lot of guards will let you off unless you're taking the mickey.
A traffic warden will fine you 60 if you park it on the street with no tax.

kearney13

biko wrote: »

A traffic warden will fine you 60 if you park it on the street with no tax.

Are you serious :eek: didn't know that god bless half the people in my town if we ever get a traffic warden

jhegarty

slimjimmc wrote: »

Yes
or
you get the car's details and go down to the tax office, complete form RF100a, pay the fee and walk out with a new tax disc.
or
ask the seller to tax it before you buy, even give him the cash if you have to.

You can't tax it until it's in your name.

maxer68

Limerick man wrote: »

You buy a car with no tax. What do you do? Trailer it home, park it in your driveway and wait 2-3weeks for the logbook to arrive?

The system is flawed, it's not our fault.

That's where "garda Discretion" comes in. If you are telling the truth and the garda belives you, you have no problem.

Log book arrives very quickly these days, so about 2 weeks - 3 weeks would be more than enough time and my guess is the gardai would know this too.

Esel

kearney13 wrote: »

I bought a van there 3 weeks ago with no tax but doe'd and the whole lot. Tonight I came across a checkpoint, I thought everything would be grand with no tax as I only bought the van and only have the look book since last friday so to be fair it would be impossible to get to the tax office with christmas and everything. I was gonna tax it this tuesday anyway but have to go in and show within the next 10 days no problem with that but I thought ya had 6 weeks to tax a vechile after change of ownership

Its not that I'm giving out but being stopped I was just wondering is the 6 week thing true or not?

166man wrote: »

Or you could just tax it now and not have to worry about meeting more Guards or back taxing it?

See the bit in bold above?

biko wrote: »

A traffic warden will fine you 60 if you park it on the street with no tax.

kearney13 wrote: »

Are you serious :eek: didn't know that god bless half the people in my town if we ever get a traffic warden

Any Gardaí in your town? They can give you a ticket too......

vetstu

gbee wrote: »

I found I had to get the cert from the tax office, thus effectively ruling out online tax for commercials.

Eh you submit the rf111a to tax office, and need cert of roadworthiness, which means sending the pass cert from the DOE to tax office anyway, so why not just post in the tax at the same time. (both will be done at t he same time anyway)
Seems a lot of running around to tax online

L-M

maxer68 wrote: »

That's where "garda Discretion" comes in. If you are telling the truth and the garda belives you, you have no problem.

Log book arrives very quickly these days, so about 2 weeks - 3 weeks would be more than enough time and my guess is the gardai would know this too.

No, "Garda discretion" doesn't come into play here, why should one person get away with it and another person not?

If they've just bought the car, and there's no tax on it, according to other boardsies it cannot be driven on the road.

Nissan doctor

Limerick man wrote: »

No, "Garda discretion" doesn't come into play here, why should one person get away with it and another person not?

If they've just bought the car, and there's no tax on it, according to other boardsies it cannot be driven on the road.

Its nothing to do with boardsies, a car, legally, must be taxed if its in a public place, thats if its driving or parked. But most garda are human, so if they feel you have a valid reason for not having tax on your car, then, at their discretion, they can let you away.

L-M

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Its nothing to do with boardsies, a car, legally, must be taxed if its in a public place, thats if its driving or parked. But most garda are human, so if they feel you have a valid reason for not having tax on your car, then, at their discretion, they can let you away.

But does that not show how flawed our system is? The girl with the big tits and the new mini gets away but the fella in the dirty auld van gets stung?

Our man in Havana

Write to your TD/Minister etc about the "flawed system".

There is nothing wrong with it but people choose to break the law. There is no excuse for that. Ignorance is no defence.

L-M

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Write to your TD/Minister etc about the "flawed system".

There is nothing wrong with it but people choose to break the law. There is no excuse for that. Ignorance is no defence.

Ok.

You buy a car privately 100 miles away from home and there's no tax on it. What do you do?

Edit: On a Saturday

gbee

Limerick man wrote: »

Edit: On a Saturday

As mentioned many time already, it's up to the individual Garda.

I was stopped with a new purchase at a routine check point. Away I go happy out only to get a summons to Dungarvan Court.

The judge looks over the documents, asks the Garda if I told him the vehicle was a recent purchase and he throws out the case without I even speaking.

L-M

gbee wrote: »

As mentioned many time already, it's up to the individual Garda.

I was stopped with a new purchase at a routine check point. Away I go happy out only to get a summons to Dungarvan Court.

The judge looks over the documents, asks the Garda if I told him the vehicle was a recent purchase and he throws out the case without I even speaking.

But that's bollox, you have to go to court and waste your time.

All I'm saying is the system is flawed, and more than likely if this pox of a country tried to rectify it they'd make an absolute balls of it anyway.

Our man in Havana

Limerick man wrote: »

Ok.

You buy a car privately 100 miles away from home and there's no tax on it. What do you do?

Edit: On a Saturday

The car stays put until all documents are correct.

If you choose to take it away you deserve everything you get.

Nissan doctor

Limerick man wrote: »

But that's bollox, you have to go to court and waste your time.

All I'm saying is the system is flawed, and more than likely if this pox of a country tried to rectify it they'd make an absolute balls of it anyway.

Yes the system is flawed, but you know its flawed so you have no excuse. However the garda know its flawed, hence why in most cases, if you have a reasonable reason why its not taxed then they won't take any action.

You could apply the same logic to speed limits, I think many speed limits are flawed, but if I get caught breaking them, its not the systems fault!

prettygurrly

i bought my car up the north...i got an appointment with the NCT people to import it about 2 weeks after I officially bought the car. then after i had imported it i drove to my tax office only to be told that my car didn't exist. you can imagine if i got stopped trying to explain that to a cop...turns out the revenue had updated their systems at HQ but not in the tax offices so louth tax office told me that my car didn't exist. took another 3 days to get sorted.
i think any cop that stops you and you have documents with you to show date of purchase will allow you time to sort yourself out. 10 days being enough definitely to get your tax sorted. tis annoying though if you're starting a new job and have stuff to do...

galwayjohn89

They should sort out the system so that when you buy a car and have no tax when the paperwork is being processed your not breaking the law, I got stopped with no tax after I had just bought the car. I had a photocopy of the logbook and tax form filled in and the Garda waved me on. Thankfully he had common sense. He could of taken the car and crushed it as it was 15 months out. Im just grateful he was a sound lad with a brain and not some gobsh*te on a power trip. Thankfully I haven't met any gobsh*tes in the gards yet. But it needs to be sorted

barone

which is why they should just tax the fuel and be done with road tax

jhegarty

A simple solution would be to allow anyone to tax a car , once they can turn up at the tax office with the car.