anyone watching Australia/India

booth70

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Apart from last few years we have done justice to ourselves. :pac:

The only two series India have won in the last 20 years oustside the sub continent: (not counting Zimbabwe)

Beat England 1-0 (2007)
Beat New Zealand 1-0 (2009)

Not particularly flattering:(

Giggsy11

booth70 wrote: »

The only two series India have won in the last 20 years oustside the sub continent: (not counting Zimbabwe)

Beat England 1-0 (2007)
Beat New Zealand 1-0 (2009)

Not particularly flattering:(

That's why I said we have done justice to ourselves. We were poor away from sub continent all years.

Hey you have missed out Series win against West Indies.

What is very disappointing is we had improved a lot on away grounds from 2003, we did very well against England, Australia and also agaisnt South Africa. But after the world cup we are on free fall. So poor that we are not even playing day 5 or scoring 300 runs regularly.

I was happy when I heard we wont play test series for another 7-8 months thinking our boys will get deserved rest, but ffs we are packed with IPL and ODIs. We need a break or this free fall wont stop.

booth70

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Hey you have missed out Series win against West Indies.

You are right...had forgotten about that....albeit against a declining West Indian side

Come September 2012 and the first test against New Zealand I can already forsee absolutely ZERO changes in the Indian side which got hammered recently in Australia

Giggsy11

booth70 wrote: »

You are right...had forgotten about that....albeit against a declining West Indian side

Come September 2012 and the first test against New Zealand I can already forsee absolutely ZERO changes in the Indian side which got hammered recently in Australia

Yeah, again History repeats. We haven't dropped any under performing players in the past. I thought with Ganguly and Dhoni era things are changing but we are back to normal.

Also problem is our old guards are our leading run scorers in 2011. We are in big mess tbh. Too much reliance on old guards and young players not stepping up to the task (Like Rohit Sharma who is talented but did nothing in ODIs), Raina and few others.

Biggest problem is our openers are not firing, last few years we had that luxury, but since last year they are getting worse series by series.

booth70

Nice 'Home and Away' statistics since 2005.....kind of confirms that all the current teams are kings when it comes to playing at home

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/552712.html

booth70

Confidence boosting win for India today chasing 270 against Australia.....all the more impressive that they did it without SRT:)

kryogen

McKay does himself no favours here by ****ting all over the place at the death.

Gives up ten runs with a couple of poor deliveries in the 18th over, then when Doherty does great work again taking another wicket, McKay returns to bowl the lats over

India requiring 11 from the final 6 deluveries and the new batsman on strike.

gives Ashwin an easy shot, should have been a boundary, just gets a single, dhoni on strike requiring 10 off 4

First ball is useless and a great shot brings Dhoni 6, very poor delivery, next ball he bowls a waist high no ball giving them 2 runs and an extra delivery.

Shocking stuff, next delivery Dhoni flicks away for 3 runs, match over.

Giggsy11

What a game, I dont know how much I have abused Dhoni for maintaining such a poor strike rate at the depth overs. But hats off to him for the way he finished off the game.

Gambhir, Raina, Sharma played well and against impressed with Umesh Yadav. He is a wicket taking bowler. We needed someone like him.

booth70

Was this the biggest 6 ever hit in Australia:)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6WT9fFqr9U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

kryogen

Dont think it warrants a new thread so Ill just drop it in here, Andrew Symonds has officially retired from all forms of cricket today.

Could have been a truly special player, waste of talent. Still, he had a decent career anyway, best of luck to him.

Giggsy11

kryogen wrote: »

Dont think it warrants a new thread so Ill just drop it in here, Andrew Symonds has officially retired from all forms of cricket today.

Could have been a truly special player, waste of talent. Still, he had a decent career anyway, best of luck to him.

Yeah waste of a talent, but in the few years he played, completely dominated the game. Such a fantastic allrounder.

Will he play in IPL or retired from that also?

Giggsy11

Great performance from SL. Beating Aussies so comprehensively in their own back yard deserves some performance and SL did it.

Now that makes tri series even more interesting.

kryogen

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yeah waste of a talent, but in the few years he played, completely dominated the game. Such a fantastic allrounder.

Will he play in IPL or retired from that also?

Says he has retired completely from the game, he was due to go back to the IPL but says he wants to focus all his time on the impending birth of his first child, yep agree, absolutely dominant when he was on it, one of the best all rounders ever potentially at one time.

booth70

http://www.espncricinfo.com/commonwealth-bank-series-2012/content/current/story/554430.html

IMHO the time has come for both these ageing dinosaurs to retire from ODI cricket...if they don't they should both be dropped!

kryogen

booth70 wrote: »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/commonwealth-bank-series-2012/content/current/story/554430.html

IMHO the time has come for both these ageing dinosaurs to retire from ODI cricket...if they don't they should both be dropped!

Dropping Tendulkar is not an option I feel, he really has to be a big enough man to stand aside, he should have done so by now anyway. Going after the World Cup would have been a pefrect way to end his ODI career. He has a negative effect on the team imo and the strutting off into the sunset exit will probably not come around again for him.

Ponting has shown some good form recently, this ODI series isnt going very well though, and I cant complain about grumblings wanting him to be dropped/ retire from ODI's. He was playing some excellent stuff in the Tests so he seemed in good nick with the bat, I think he is just struggling to open the batting tbh. His experience is quite handy to have as captain right now too in Clarkes absence. He is still excellent in the field and think he still deserves his place, though just about.

Edit:

Well wouldnt you know it!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/commonwealth-bank-series-2012/content/current/story/554464.html

Ricky Ponting, the former Australia captain, has been dropped from the ODI squad for the remainder of the triangular series following the worst batting slump of his limited-overs career.

Scores of 2, 1, 6, 2 and 7 have drawn the curtain on Ponting's time as an ODI batsman, despite the fact that he served as stand-in captain for the injured Michael Clarke in the last two of those matches. In a 375-game one-day international career, never before had Ponting made five single-figure scores in a row. John Inverarity, the national selector, said Ponting would be missed, but the time had come to move on in the 50-over format.

"The team will not seem the same without him, but moving on from the omission of players who have been outstanding over a long period of time is the nature of elite sport," Inverarity said. "Ricky's record speaks for itself. He is one of the truly great performers in the history of Australian ODI cricket, with his reputation enhanced further by him captaining Australia to two World Cup victories.

"Ricky's contribution goes far beyond his batting statistics and his brilliant fielding. The example he sets in every respect and his extraordinarily positive influence in the dressing-room is acknowledged by all. He is held in the highest possible regard by his team-mates and there is no higher accolade than this. Ricky being prepared to take over the captaincy in Michael Clarke's recent absence for the sake of the team is yet another example of his selfless attitude and team-first focus."

Australia ODI squad
Michael Clarke (capt), Shane Watson (vc), Dan Christian, Xavier Doherty, Peter Forrest, Ryan Harris, Ben Hilfenhaus, David Hussey, Michael Hussey, Brett Lee, Clint McKay, Matthew Wade, David Warner




Like Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh before him, Ponting was not given the chance to choose when he would end his ODI career. As late as Sunday night in Brisbane following Australia's win in Brisbane, Ponting said he had no intention of stepping aside, and had left his future in the hands of the selectors. Inverarity countered suggestions that Ponting might have been given a farewell match with the stark realities of professional sport.

"Ricky Ponting has been dropped from the ODI side and the national selection panel has spoken about moving towards the 2015 World Cup," he said. "The door is never closed on anybody, but it's a strong indication there. We were very keen for Ricky to play in these games because we intended to blend in some younger players, and his influence for them has been remarkable. But we need to at some stage move on.

"We're not ruling him out because one never knows what's around the corner … but we've certainly got 2015 in mind, and we knew at the beginning of the series when we wanted those young players to be blended in, in the presence of Ricky.

"In elite sport there's no place for sentiment. There are always the two schools of thought, going out on your own terms and that, and the members of the national selection panel were unanimous in their view. It was discussed by email last night, a few calls last night and was confirmed this morning. That's the decision and that's elite sport."

Ponting has been replaced in the squad by the allrounder and vice-captain Shane Watson, who proved his fitness after a stubborn calf injury by playing for New South Wales in a Sheffield Shield match against Western Australia in Perth. Inverarity announced one other change to the squad, recalling Ryan Harris in place of Mitchell Starc. He also confirmed that Matthew Wade had now usurped Brad Haddin as the No. 1 wicketkeeper in limited-overs matches, and that the panel intened to take both glovemen to the West Indies.

"Ryan Harris has been re-included in the squad with Mitchell Starc making way for his return. Mitchell will benefit greatly from the Tests and the ODIs he has played," Inverarity said. "His development as a player of the future is most encouraging. Shane Watson also comes back into the squad. He is an all-rounder of proven class and the NSP is keen to have him re-join the squad.

"The NSP made the decision that Matthew Wade is now the preferred ODI wicket-keeper for the Australian ODI team. The intention at this stage is to have both Matthew and Brad Haddin in the West Indies together for the duration of the tour."

kryogen

The return of Watson and Clarke is what has brought this about, also the selectors saying they are starting to put the focus on 2015, not nice as a Punter fan, but understandable.

kryogen

Speculation about his retirement follows, I would hope he goes on as a Test batsman, his form has still been good in that format but you would understand if he were to retire from all forms of international cricket now.

Ricky Ponting's removal from the Australia ODI team has pushed the former captain closer to retirement, leaving him to decide whether or not he wants to go on as a Test batsman only. John Inverarity, the national selector, said there was obvious disappointment when he informed Ponting of the selection panel's decision, and admitted a retirement from all forms was now a possibility.

Inverarity and his fellow selectors, including the national captain Michael Clarke, are adamant that Ponting should go on as a Test batsman. However, they have acknowledged that by taking away limited-overs cricket they have left a vast gap in Ponting's life that had previously been filled by the game's most prevalent format. Having returned to Sydney from Brisbane, where he played the last of 375 ODIs, Ponting is expected to speak publicly about his future on Tuesday.


"He made a double-century in his last Test match and we are hoping he remains available for Test cricket, but there can be no guarantees," Inverarity said. "Ricky is going to consider his future over the next couple of days and talk it over with his family and with his manager. He's wondering whether he retires completely from ODI cricket ... and then of course there are the implications for Test cricket.


"For a man who plays cricket like Ricky has over the last 15 or more years, he has been an integral part of the team in ODIs and Test matches. If he drops out of the ODIs then there is a possible lack of momentum there. There are three Tests in the West Indies, then as I understand it no more Test matches until October-November."


Beyond the West Indies tour, Australia's next scheduled Test matches are at home to South Africa and Sri Lanka, before keynote tours of India and England in 2013. Ponting has previously expressed a desire to return to England and win back the Ashes, but that may now look a very distant goal without the routine of ODIs to help keep him sharp and internationally drilled.

However, Ponting was second only to Clarke on the run tally for both sides in the recent Test series between Australia and India, and his collection of 544 runs made it his third-most prolific Test series of all time. He also has considerable value in the field, remaining one of the sharpest fielders in the world, and important experience in the dressing-room.

Whatever happens, Ponting's immediate Test future remains his own call. Inverarity was generous in his praise of how Ponting took the news of his one-day axing, relayed to him over the course of two phone calls either side of his flight back to Sydney.

"I spoke with Ricky this morning, I think how he took the news is a measure of the man. He was disappointed and understandably so, but he took it on the chin," Inverarity said. "He is a gem of a human being, a wonderful bloke, and he takes everything in his stride. He was under enormous pressure two or three months ago, and he never wavered from his dedication. He's a very resilient and wonderful human being.

"It is a tough decision but when you take over a position like this you know these things are on the cards. You don't put your heart to one side, but your head has got to dominate, and to the credit of the NSP, everyone holds Ricky in the highest regard, as a player and as a person, but we've got a decision to make, and we made a decision we believe is the right decision and the best decision in the interest of Australian cricket."

Giggsy11

booth70 wrote: »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/commonwealth-bank-series-2012/content/current/story/554430.html

IMHO the time has come for both these ageing dinosaurs to retire from ODI cricket...if they don't they should both be dropped!

Its just few bad innings. Last year he performed well. He will be back to form again.

I know what happened after 2007 WC when everyone said Sachin is finished.

TheDrog

I think with Sachin they're really just waiting for the landmark century and then he'll go himself at the end of whatever series it is.

kryogen

TheDrog wrote: »

I think with Sachin they're really just waiting for the landmark century and then he'll go himself at the end of whatever series it is.

There needs to be a cut off point for that also though. At some point it becomes far to damaging to the team and the development of the future players to have older guys who shouldn't really be still there taking up a place in the squad.

TheDrog

couldn't agree with you more but they won't do it they're too afraid of the backlash from the public that would follow it.

booth70

kryogen wrote: »

Speculation about his retirement follows, I would hope he goes on as a Test batsman, his form has still been good in that format but you would understand if he were to retire from all forms of international cricket now.

I too am hoping that Ponting carries on as a Test batsman and has one more crack at winning the Ashes in England come 2013:)

kryogen

Yeah hopefully the desire he has to do that will spur him on, he has nothing to prove though tbh so if he wants to pack it in now I wouldnt hold it against him. But given that he got a double century in his last Test he has surely still got a part to play there

kryogen

Good to hear Punter say in the press conference that he wants to continue in the Test format, hopefully he can be still worthy of a place in the team for next summer!

M. Hussey is another one who will be pushing on by next year, some huge changes coming in the batting line up for Australia, just when the bowling department seems to be finding its way!

Rjd2

booth70 wrote: »

I too am hoping that Ponting carries on as a Test batsman and has one more crack at winning the Ashes in England come 2013:)

he is deluded if he thinks he can do anything in England. All well and good hitting India's crap and uninterested bowlers, but Anderson and co is a different matter. Ponting was hopeless last time round in the Ashes lets nor forget.

kryogen

Rjd2 wrote: »

he is deluded if he thinks he can do anything in England. All well and good hitting India's crap and uninterested bowlers, but Anderson and co is a different matter. Ponting was hopeless last time round in the Ashes lets nor forget.

Plenty of people were hopeless last time around.

You are deluded if you think he can definitely offer nothing, Anderson and co didnt do great against Indias crap recently did they?

Indias crap uninterested bowlers also did a pretty good job against the world beaters in Englands batting line up.

At this point in time, Ponting is showing some of his best Test form in a long time, he is still great in the field too and is a leader. Right now he would definitely get in the ashes squad, we will see how things are when the time comes of course, lot can happen in a year.

People write off players a lot, in the case of Ponting, this has been an awful lot due to the hate he gets, nothing drives him more then an Ashes victory in England. He has had a lot of bad luck in terms of the quality of players in his squads in the last few years. This is of course used as a stick to beat him when clearly there were plenty of underperforming or inexperienced players in the squad and it was a team in transition.

The captaincy being taken away was the right call imo, takes a bit of heat off him and lets him focus purely on batting which is why he is showing some excellent form for me. He is still a leader, he is still someone everyone in that squad looks up to and his experience is vital to the younger guys in the Test squad.

Look at the wealth of talent on the Aussie squad when Ponting was starting out and compare that to the lack of quality he has had to work with and drag performances from in recent years. A lot of blame gets put on him unfairly when it is quite clear that there were huge problems at the very top of the Australian Cricket Board especially in terms of selection policy.

The team is now starting to come out of the dark period and one last winning effort from Punter (Australias most winning captain) in the Ashes next summer would be the perfect way to bow out an international career that will see him go down as one of the very best to ever pick up a cricket bat

kryogen

Another good win for Sri Lanka today, they do seem to match up really well v the Australian line up.

dfx-

Big game tonight/today for the series, Australia v India...

kryogen

My money is on the Aussies, so you can be sure India will win

dfx-

At least Dhoni and Ashwin are back...you never know;)

Edit: Surely Hussey should be out obstructing the field :eek: