Broadcasting 2012

Infoanon

watty wrote: »

More money and support for TG4 so they can commission more programs.

Thats highly unlikely and if anything a decrease is more likely in the current financial climate.

Ultimately more money for TG4 means more taxpayers money - could you imagine the backlash,there is already considerable annoyance among the public over TG4 outbidding RTE for Heineken Cup Rugby and refusing to provide English language commentary (having Brian Cowens former advisor as an analyst doesn't exactly help either IMO). Was taxpayer funding supposed to be used for
this purpose !

As for 2012 - Think Elmo has fairly much summed it up - now if Leo Varadker had got the ministry..........

watty

I agree, it's not going to happen. Nor is anything else "extra".

So you think the Ministers run the Ministries? Mawhahahah

Elmo

Infoanon wrote: »

Thats highly unlikely and if anything a decrease is more likely in the current financial climate.

Ultimately more money for TG4 means more taxpayers money - could you imagine the backlash,there is already considerable annoyance among the public over TG4 outbidding RTE for Heineken Cup Rugby and refusing to provide English language commentary (having Brian Cowens former advisor as an analyst doesn't exactly help either IMO). Was taxpayer funding supposed to be used for
this purpose !

As for 2012 - Think Elmo has fairly much summed it up - now if Leo Varadker had got the ministry..........

No TG4 did not out bid RTÉ for Heineken Cup, TG4 show as live coverage of the match in Irish, this is a sop to the Heineken Cup debacle in 2010, however like with the deferred Rugby World Cup TG4 have Irish Language only rights. Do RTÉ not still retain their Heineken Cup Highlights package rights?

TG4 did see a cut in exchequer funding with some Licence fee being diverted to them.

If Leo Varadker was in place he would be as ****ing bad as the rest of the FFers that proceeded Minister Ryan. He's is no more than Ray Burke, just lacks the brown envelops. (but thank you all the same )

Will RTÉjr continue to broadcast @ the weekend? or was it just for Christmas?

Infoanon

watty wrote: »

I agree, it's not going to happen. Nor is anything else "extra".

So you think the Ministers run the Ministries? Mawhahahah

New ministers are normally given a gift on their first day from the Civil Service.......Yes Minister boxset

Varadker would have shaken it up a little - Rabbitte will do nothing that would upset RTE

Elmo

Infoanon wrote: »

New ministers are normally given a gift on their first day from the Civil Service.......Yes Minister boxset

Varadker would have shaken it up a little - Rabbitte will do nothing that would upset RTE

Rabbitte will do nothing to upset Varadker and his party . Let the President take over the Department he is wasted in the Arás.

Infoanon

Elmo wrote: »

No TG4 did not out bid RTÉ for Heineken Cup,

TG4 did outbid RTE to get the highlights rights (Sky has exclusive live coverage). RTE no longer has any rights to show the Heineken Cup.

TG4 latest is that their transmission system cannot provide dual language subcarriers but digital will allow Irish and English options....

Only in Ireland could a service funded by the tax payer outbid another service funded by the tax payer....only one winner in this - Sky Sports

Elmo

Infoanon wrote: »

TG4 did outbid RTE to get the highlights rights (Sky has exclusive live coverage). RTE no longer has any rights to show the Heineken Cup.

TG4 latest is that their transmission system cannot provide dual language subcarriers but digital will allow Irish and English options....

Only in Ireland could a service funded by the tax payer outbid another service funded by the tax payer....only one winner in this - Sky Sports

Not so TG4 is doing well with that coverage just as good as RTÉ when it had the less coverage.

As I said its a sop to Sky because of the Designation of Sporting Events debacle signed by Minister Rabbitte, something that Leo would have been very chuffed to sign.

Infoanon

Sam Russell wrote: »

What I find most depressing is the total lack of interest by RTE in Saorview.Why are they reluctant to tell us about HD broadcasts on RTE 2? Why did they not broadcast RTEjr at the weekend? Why broadcast RTEjr on RTE 2 HD when they had a seperate channel RTEjr for it? They could have shown repeats or HD films, or even a showcase like BBC HD does?

RTE & Saorview have a product that is exclusive to their platform and has no annual fee - neither rarely mention the existance of RTE2HD.

Sky have aproduct that is exclusive to their platfform and costs €180pa - Sky ram HD down your throat at every opportunity.

Go figure ?

Infoanon

Elmo wrote: »

Not so TG4 is doing well with that coverage just as good as RTÉ when it had the less coverage.

As I said its a sop to Sky because of the Designation of Sporting Events debacle signed by Minister Rabbitte, something that Leo would have been very chuffed to sign.

I am not getting this sop to Sky ?
TG4 outbid RTE - no sop , just a bidding process.

TG4 rugby coverage has been lambasted on all fronts - language / presentation / scheduling

Sam Russell

Infoanon wrote: »

RTE & Saorview have a product that is exclusive to their platform and has no annual fee - neither rarely mention the existance of RTE2HD.

Sky have aproduct that is exclusive to their platfform and costs €180pa - Sky ram HD down your throat at every opportunity.

Go figure ?

Either RTE are frightened of exploiting Saorview or the Dept have told them to be frightened of exploiting Saorview.

Elmo

Infoanon wrote: »

I am not getting this sop to Sky ?
TG4 outbid RTE - no sop , just a bidding process.

TG4 rugby coverage has been lambasted on all fronts - language / presentation / scheduling

It is a sop to Premium Pay TV (AKA Sky Sports), again I thought RTÉ still had highlights. C4 compete with BBC.

Eamon Ryan wanted a few Irish rugby games from Heineken Cup in the Designation of Sporting Events, however many kicked up a fuss, particularly IRFU who felt that they would loose money. TG4 now provide full coverage of certain games (As they did for Deferred Irish Language coverage of the RWC matches), I assume that even RTÉ would have had to schedule as TG4 have.

It is the IRFU saying there is FTA coverage. Of course RTÉ should have retained Highlights package or TG4 should have an English Language highlights package in the same way as they have for both Wimbleton and Tour De France.

TG4 have been getting a similar audience as RTÉ Two had for their highlights package.

OldRio

Infoanon wrote: »

I am not getting this sop to Sky ?
TG4 outbid RTE - no sop , just a bidding process.

TG4 rugby coverage has been lambasted on all fronts - language / presentation / scheduling

Not sure where the lambasting comes from ???

TG4 do an excellent job regarding Rugby. Both HEC and Pro12.
RTEs coverage was pathetic to say the least and still is. The presentation is far superior to that of RTE (who couldn't give a monkeys about the Pro 12)

I'm not sure why anyone who is interested in Rugby would moan about the 'scheduling'. Fantastic FTA service for Rugby fans.

Mr_Ekan

please name names

AerTV

Like I said, at least they may be trying to pull something together. On what looks like a shoestring budget.

I'd be even more surprised if the 3Kids/Classics went ahead, as neither genre could be considered a commercial strength for TV3. That said, I'm sure if they got the licence they wouldn't hang about with padding out the schedule with more UK satellite content or opt into another UK station.

watty

TV3 has no money as they are still suffering from the Leveraged buyout.

Infoanon

watty wrote: »

TV3 has no money as they are still suffering from the Leveraged buyout.

And thats not going to change anytime soon. TV3 are dependent on the equity firm Doughty Hanson.

TV3 are also heavily dependent on ITV for programming and a recent development has seen the likes of 'Downton Abbey' and ' Biggest loser' getting their first runs on UTV ahead of TV3.

UTV could pull a lot of advertising income from TV3 if this trend continues though noting that the next 'big' programme 'Dancing on Ice' sees the same transmission times on TV3 & UTV.

Will TV3 make a big splash with TV3HD - or will they take the more muted line of RTE (2HD)......the investment in HD is another drain on TV3's limited resources this year....

Elmo

TV3 HD is a trophy wife, as is RTÉ Two HD. IMO. Lets just sort out channels on Saorview. HD is more expensive than SD, TV3 HD is not needed do we really want to see Mark Cagney in HD.

I suppose its to stop people looking at ITV HD.

TV3 are also heavily dependent on ITV for programming and a recent development has seen the likes of 'Downton Abbey' and ' Biggest loser' getting their first runs on UTV ahead of TV3.

The audience share for UTV has plummeted. From being the 2nd most watch TV station in 2000 with 10% with only 4% in 2011 (5th position). TV3 have been helped by being available on channel 3/103 and UTV not being available on Sky Digital.

watty

Yes, purely down to Sky Digital.

So much for a "free" European Market.

Infoanon

Elmo wrote: »

TV3 HD is not needed do we really want to see Mark Cagney in HD.

The audience share for UTV has plummeted. From being the 2nd most watch TV station in 2000 with 10% with only 4% in 2011 (5th position). TV3 have been helped by being available on channel 3/103 and UTV not being available on Sky Digital.

TV3HD is a waste of money IMHO

UTV suffers from dreadful pixilation on UPC which Gives TV3 an advantage along with the better EPG positioning.

Expect a fight back from UTV - first run on programming will be the key and while EPG is important you can bet that viewers found 110 on christmas night for Downton Abbey.
I am surprised UTV have not used their radio services more to promote the TV service.

Broadcasting 2012 - I expect more shake ups in 2012 - 3e needs a relaunch , Setanta is only breaking even with very low take up of SS1 and City Channel (prime 107 Epg spot on UPC) will either completely close or the slot will be acquired by another broadcaster.

Mr_Ekan

Well considering their premises is currently to let I'd imagine the City Channel slot will go to someone else.
http://goo.gl/vhrYs

Given UPC's tendency to place Irish channels higher up the EPG I wonder will any of the Saorview channels get to run there.

Also, whose paying those PPI rights for the music videos still being shown on City Channel? If they were ever paid:eek:

Elmo

Mr_Ekan wrote: »

Well considering their premises is currently to let I'd imagine the City Channel slot will go to someone else.
http://goo.gl/vhrYs

Given UPC's tendency to place Irish channels higher up the EPG I wonder will any of the Saorview channels get to run there.

Also, whose paying those PPI rights for the music videos still being shown on City Channel? If they were ever paid:eek:

UPC may keep it as a telephone chat line phone in station :rolleyes: or might just keep it blank until something suitable comes along. TV3Classics perhaps if it ever happens, which is unlikely.

Yes PPI right, indeed

UTV need a second channel. It could be cross promoted with UTV and UTV Radio. Many of the Radio stations both north and south get ads on UTV particularly U105 and FM104. The only reason TV3 put Downton Abbey on later than UTV is due to Xtra Factor.

watty

Really the only "Real" Saorview channels are RTE1, RTE2, TG4, TV3 and 3e. The others are only repeat/space-fillers at present.

UTV has been growing Internet & Radio in preparation to Exiting TV. The Analogue Franchise ends this year Oct 2012. It's not clear what the UK Government is going to do. ITV PLC is pushing for a single Digital TV licence for ITV. Only UTV and STV are left.

Infoanon

Elmo wrote: »

The only reason TV3 put Downton Abbey on later than UTV is due to Xtra Factor.

The weekly episodes went out 1 week later, Christmas episode 1 day later - Xtra factor was not the reason.

Regarding the future of UTV - its highly unlikely that UTV will ever lose the NI licence - they are seen as a very safe pair of hands - even if they are now outside the grandee ITV.

ITV have been hinting at giving up their national licence but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Sam Russell

watty wrote: »

Really the only "Real" Saorview channels are RTE1, RTE2, TG4, TV3 and 3e. The others are only repeat/space-fillers at present.

I think that 3e are also a repeat/filler channel.

RTEjr was not meant as a filler but has been treated as such and so ignored by RTE.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think that 3e are also a repeat/filler channel.

RTEjr was not meant as a filler but has been treated as such and so ignored by RTE.

RTÉ said in their proposal that there would be two phase to both RTÉ PLUS and RTÉjr.

In year one RTÉ PLUS would simply be RTÉ 1 +1, and a new schedule would appear for RTÉ PLUS in Summer of 2012. In year one RTÉjr would not broadcast at the weekends and its schedule would be made up of RTÉ Two RTÉjr strand on a loop until phase 2 when (I assume) RTÉjr strand on RTÉ Two will be removed from RTÉ Two's schedule.

3e is really just as much of a repeat/filler channel as any other Digital service. It opens with repeats of the 3 TV3 morning shows and Xposé. Xposé is repeat on it straight after TV3's broadcast. While The Apprentice and X-Factor etc all get repeat showing, even coming close to marathons both the next day or sraight after TV3's broadcast. Ok it a little more of a repeat broadcaster then most Digital services.

Sam Russell

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ said in their proposal that there would be two phase to both RTÉ PLUS and RTÉjr.

In year one RTÉ PLUS would simply be RTÉ 1 +1, and a new schedule would appear for RTÉ PLUS in Summer of 2012. In year one RTÉjr would not broadcast at the weekends and its schedule would be made up of RTÉ Two RTÉjr strand on a loop until phase 2 when (I assume) RTÉjr strand on RTÉ Two will be removed from RTÉ Two's schedule.

3e is really just as much of a repeat/filler channel as any other Digital service. It opens with repeats of the 3 TV3 morning shows and Xposé. Xposé is repeat on it straight after TV3's broadcast. While The Apprentice and X-Factor etc all get repeat showing, even coming close to marathons both the next day or sraight after TV3's broadcast. Ok it a little more of a repeat broadcaster then most Digital services.

All of that sounds like RTE are not going to launch Saorview until ASO. In other words, they are ignoring it.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

All of that sounds like RTE are not going to launch Saorview until ASO. In other words, they are ignoring it.

Which is exactly what the BAI have also said in their report to the minister on the Expression of Interest: -

There would appear to be sufficient capacity on Multiplex 1 to carry the services currently available during the test period, together with the additional RTÉ services which were recently approved, following the sectoral impact assessment and public value review. With regard to the proposed services emerging from the expressions of interest process, these are not likely to be in a position to commence operations until near to or beyond analogue switch off in October 2012. In these circumstances, the question of the requirement to introduce the second RTÈ multiplex in 2011 should be considered further by the Minister.

That includes TV3 and TG4 channels, that is acceptable?????

watty

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think that 3e are also a repeat/filler channel.

RTEjr was not meant as a filler but has been treated as such and so ignored by RTE.

Perhaps it has become so, it was originally Channel 6 and not part of TV3.

I agree it's not much of a channel. Nor was it before TV3 bought it.

Your 2nd statement is likely true too... So many things to agree on

watty

The 2nd multiplex would double the RTE NL running costs for Electricity and Maintenance

Until a 2nd channel goes HD or Government pays to have OTV carried (or some new channel launches, not likely!) it would be a criminal waste to be running two multiplexes.

icdg

Infoanon wrote: »

Regarding the future of UTV - its highly unlikely that UTV will ever lose the NI licence - they are seen as a very safe pair of hands - even if they are now outside the grandee ITV.

ITV have been hinting at giving up their national licence but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The EPG 3/103 slot which comes with it is very valuable to ITV. If ITV gave up that slot they would be booted straight down to at least ITV2's slot on the various platforms, which while fairly high, isn't as prestigious as 103. It also comes with a 1/2 mux guaranteed capacity on Freeview.

ITV's hinting at giving up the licence is more to do with trying to persaude the British government to let it give up its remaining public service obligations. Its worked before for them and sure why wouldn't it work now...Ofcom and the British government seem rather afraid to call their bluff. I don't ITV should be able to claim such a prestigious slot as of right - ahead of Channel 4, a state-owned public service broadcaster - without some public service obligations at least. Otherwise it is effectively state aid to ITV.

UTV - well they have seemed less and less interested in their TV business as time goes on. Even within Northern Ireland they have dropped more and more of their non-news programming. For example, they gave no special coverage of Ireland in the Rugby World Cup even though they have done so in the past and they have the rights to do so.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

UTV - well they have seemed less and less interested in their TV business as time goes on. Even within Northern Ireland they have dropped more and more of their non-news programming. For example, they gave no special coverage of Ireland in the Rugby World Cup even though they have done so in the past and they have the rights to do so.

Did they not provide live coverage of the Irish matches?

They dropped below 3% in the final week of 2011 in the republic. I would love to know the audience share for ITV1.