T8 and Wildcat moderators

4200fps

I was in Tulsk Co Roscommon lastnight in Trapper Johns buying a few bits,he has T8's new for 250euro and Wildcats for 300euro new. I believe he's the cheapest around for moderators. Others are looking for 300euro new for the T8's

Glensman

4200fps wrote: »

I was in Tulk Co Roscommon lastnight in Trapper Johns buying a few bits,he has T8's new for 250euro and Wildcats for 300euro new. I believe he's the cheapest around for moderators. Others are looking for 300euro new for the T8's

I wouldn't have a T8 myself, but that is a good price.

FISMA

4200fps wrote: »

I was in Tulk Co Roscommon lastnight in Trapper Johns buying a few bits,he has T8's new for 250euro and Wildcats for 300euro new. I believe he's the cheapest around for moderators. Others are looking for 300euro new for the T8's

You mean Tulsk, correct?

Everyone there knows Trapper John's.

Small world...

beretta391

whats wrong with the t8s

Glensman

beretta391 wrote: »

whats wrong with the t8s

They're heavy, bulky and they rust like a FIAT

beretta391

but still the best one out there.... buy a can of wd40 SQUEAK

4200fps

FISMA wrote: »

You mean Tulsk, correct?

Everyone there knows Trapper John's.

Small world...

Thats right,Tulsk I mean

4200fps

I was looking at the wildcats they were a nice bit longer than the T8 but everyone has their own taste.If you mind/clean/oil your gun or moderators they shouldn't rust. T8's and wildcats are the biggest seller's when it comes to moderators IMO. I just said i'd let people know where you can get them cheap

Glensman

beretta391 wrote: »

but still the best one out there.... buy a can of wd40 SQUEAK

they are not even close to being the best.
They are one of the most popular.


ASE Northstar
ASE S5
and there is some one made out of titanium that's meant to be class, can't remember the name that's meant to be ebtter again.

WD40 penetrates rust, it will inhibit rust to a degree- but it is not a rust inhibitor.

johngalway

I've a T8 for a while now, no problems so far.

The WD40 isn't used to directly prevent rust. It's used to drive out moisture, which is one of the jobs it does do. The moisture interacting with the burnt powder is what causes the T8's problems.

I was advised to do this:

As soon as possible after coming home, place the T8 on a radiator to warm up the metal. The metal is warmed (just warm, not reddened!) so that the WD40 fluid moves around inside the T8 freely - think cooking oil on a heated pan. This warming also helps drive out moisture, but religiously using the WD40 is the key.

I also use regular gun oil on the outside of the mod after each trip out, and I keep the mod in an oily sock.

Regardless of whether I fire the gun or not I do the above I have no neoprene cover on my mod as I believe that can hide problems in the making.

I've heard an ASE and T8 on .223's a few times and to my ear the T8 is slightly quieter.

virminhunter

an air compressors handy for blowing all the crap out of them.

Glensman

johngalway wrote: »

I've a T8 for a while now, no problems so far.

The WD40 isn't used to directly prevent rust. It's used to drive out moisture, which is one of the jobs it does do. The moisture interacting with the burnt powder is what causes the T8's problems.

I was advised to do this:

As soon as possible after coming home, place the T8 on a radiator to warm up the metal. The metal is warmed (just warm, not reddened!) so that the WD40 fluid moves around inside the T8 freely - think cooking oil on a heated pan. This warming also helps drive out moisture, but religiously using the WD40 is the key.

I also use regular gun oil on the outside of the mod after each trip out, and I keep the mod in an oily sock.

Regardless of whether I fire the gun or not I do the above I have no neoprene cover on my mod as I believe that can hide problems in the making.

I've heard an ASE and T8 on .223's a few times and to my ear the T8 is slightly quieter.

I use that time making myself a cup of T and getting ready for bed.

My regime is like this:

Screw off Northstar. Spray gun and mod with oil. Pour hot water onto tea bag, stir, add milk, stir agian.

On a serious note, I have no doubt the T8 is strong and good for moderating niose. But they didn't get the rust reputation from nowhere. You could save yourself a lot of the weight and hassle with a stainless or titanium mod.

I think this thread started by talking about the price, that is a good price I was quoted £250 and up before.

Glensman

virminhunter wrote: »

an air compressors handy for blowing all the crap out of them.

Then you would really want to spray oil in, compressed air (unless you have a regulator) has a high moisture content.

johngalway

Glensman wrote: »

You could save yourself a lot of the weight and hassle with a stainless or titanium mod.

Takes less than 30 seconds I have a perfectly functioning mod which I intend to last for a very long time Quietness is the most important aspect for me after damaging my hearing already. An ASE on my rifle will still make it swing on it's sling, I know because I've handled one on a VSSF II, so there's sod all in it.

johnnymolloy

titanium mods on this website no price though
http://www.lawrenceprecision.co.uk/

johngalway

johnnymolloy wrote: »

titanium mods on this website no price though
http://www.lawrenceprecision.co.uk/

£595

http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_review/lawrence_precision_aurora_m2_moderator/

johnnymolloy

johngalway wrote: »

£595

http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_review/lawrence_precision_aurora_m2_moderator/

:eek:

homerhop

are the T4/T8 the only mods that sleeve over the barrel?

johngalway

johnnymolloy wrote: »

:eek:

What's that :eek: for? Sure it's only €711

johngalway

homerhop wrote: »

are the T4/T8 the only mods that sleeve over the barrel?

Nope, ASE Northstar and some others will as well.

Glensman

johngalway wrote: »

Nope, ASE Northstar and some others will as well.

Aye DM80 is another one...

4200fps

At the end of the day there's no moderator that can silence or even reduce the crack/pitchhh noice of a supersonic bullet. Me personaly would be very happy to get 5 yrs plus out of a moderator. If it lost performance or started to rust i'd rub it down with wire wool and spray it black and sell it on back to the price 250euro isn't bad now

4200fps

johngalway wrote: »

Nope, ASE Northstar and some others will as well.

ASE moderators adds from 125mm to 150mm to your rifle length where as T8 and T4 adds 65mm which is a big enough difference.

johngalway

4200fps wrote: »

ASE moderators adds from 125mm to 150mm to your rifle length where as T8 and T4 adds 65mm which is a big enough difference.

The Northstar is a reflex model moderator, as is the T8, the other ASE are end of barrel models. I don't know the exact measurements.

homerhop

looking at the ase website and it says the northstar adds 100mm to the length of the rifle

crackcrack30

How much are the ace northstar? are they 5/8 cut thread? what weight are they in comparison to the t8?

cheers,,,,.........

4200fps

crackcrack30 wrote: »

How much are the ace northstar? are they 5/8 cut thread? what weight are they in comparison to the t8?

cheers,,,,.........

I found this.ive a magazine with sizes and spec's but heres some information might be of interest http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_review/ase_utra_ns-3s_north_star_moderator/?utm_source=accessories_reviews&utm_medium=site&utm_campaign=rl

ormondprop

The t8 needs to be fitted to your rifle due to the bushing over the barrel which will remove some bluing of the barrel while the northstar has no rear bushing so can be put on any rifle with the right thread, i bought a northstar but it came with the wrong thread and i wasn't willing to wait another few weeks for the next delivery so i went for a jetz compact instead, nice tidy mod but its heavy, if i could sell it i'd buy a roedale or A-tec instead, great lightweight mods,

http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_reviews/type/moderators_suppressors

4200fps

There's a fair amount of moderator brands out there when one does go looking them up. Some of them one would never be able to buy as their in other counties. T8 seems to be good and lasts,not too heavy or long and sleeves down the barrel nicely keeping it compact. I couldnt fault any of them realy as long as their not making the rifle too long and awkward. I seen one before and it was tiny but id say it was good but it made the gun look very ugly. I like the looks of some moderators but not too big or too small.thats just me lol

4200fps

ormondprop wrote: »

The t8 needs to be fitted to your rifle due to the bushing over the barrel which will remove some bluing of the barrel while the northstar has no rear bushing so can be put on any rifle with the right thread, i bought a northstar but it came with the wrong thread and i wasn't willing to wait another few weeks for the next delivery so i went for a jetz compact instead, nice tidy mod but its heavy, if i could sell it i'd buy a roedale or A-tec instead, great lightweight mods,

http://www.gunmart.net/accessories_reviews/type/moderators_suppressors

Light weight is the way to go and about what you say about the northstar having no bushing thats interesting.where did you buy it?

johngalway

ormondprop wrote: »

which will remove some bluing of the barre

It'll also mark stainless barrels.

4200fps

johngalway wrote: »

It'll also mark stainless barrels.

Well ive examined my brothers barrel and its stainless and there isnt the slightest mark on the barrel where the bushing of the t8 sleeves the barrel..??

johngalway

4200fps wrote: »

Well ive examined my brothers barrel and its stainless and there isnt the slightest mark on the barrel where the bushing of the t8 sleeves the barrel..??

There is on mine. Not that I give a ****e TBH. Isn't the first mark, won't be the last.

kakashka

4200fps wrote: »

Well ive examined my brothers barrel and its stainless and there isnt the slightest mark on the barrel where the bushing of the t8 sleeves the barrel..??

I dont think the bush is supposed to touch the barrel at all,it's just a guide for/while fitting,otherwise it might affect accuracy(if your thread/face was slightly off you would bend your barrel slightly everytime you tighten)

4200fps

kakashka wrote: »

I dont think the bush is supposed to touch the barrel at all,it's just a guide for/while fitting,otherwise it might affect accuracy(if your thread/face was slightly off you would bend your barrel slightly everytime you tighten)

Correct!

4200fps

kakashka wrote: »

I dont think the bush is supposed to touch the barrel at all,it's just a guide for/while fitting,otherwise it might affect accuracy(if your thread/face was slightly off you would bend your barrel slightly everytime you tighten)

johngalway wrote: »

There is on mine. Not that I give a ****e TBH. Isn't the first mark, won't be the last.

Some barrels are slightly tapered and some are pure straight on the outside of coarse.IF the barrel was tapered i'd expect scrapes and if the barrel was straight ''equal diameter'' if you know what i mean If i seen scrapes id guess the barrel wasn't threaded square. I may be wrong thats my opinion.the sleeve/bushing is to keep it in line id say?

kakashka

4200fps wrote: »

Some barrels are slightly tapered and some are pure straight on the outside of coarse.IF the barrel was tapered i'd expect scrapes and if the barrel was straight ''equal diameter'' if you know what i mean If i seen scrapes id guess the barrel wasn't threaded square. I may be wrong thats my opinion.the sleeve/bushing is to keep it in line id say?

Not too sure i get you 42 but the bush is just to protect your barrel while your fitting and should have some clearance when all is tightened up,apart from machining supp threads and face a little off bore barrels are not always parallel,as in contour,profile holding it's radius from bore,get me?

4200fps

kakashka wrote: »

Not too sure i get you 42 but the bush is just to protect your barrel while your fitting and should have some clearance when all is tightened up,apart from machining supp threads and face a little off bore barrels are not always parallel,as in contour,profile holding it's radius from bore,get me?

Correct,thats more or less what i was saying too.

Cass

The bushings on a T8 are all the one size when bought new. You are supposed to measure up where the bushing will sit when the mod is screwed on, and drill it out appropriately.

I would say the budhing is not just a guide but is meant to act as a stabilizer for the mod. To keep it true, make sure when moving the rifle with mod attached the mod is not plling on the threading of the barrel.
I had my T8, and Mildcat mod cut to suit the exact position it would sit on the barrel.

poulo6.5

i have had a t8 for about 2 years now and it is now coming to the end of its life. there is a small hole after appearing in it and i am finding it hard to remove it from the rifle after using it.

i was never over protective about it but i did regularly soak it in gun oil and always left it somewhere warm and dry.

i wouldnt knock them for performance but they do take a bit of minding. i had a stainless ase for a couple of years before that and i never had a bother from it.

there are better out there now and even though they are very well priced i would advise going for something else in the long run

4200fps

poulo6.5 wrote: »

i have had a t8 for about 2 years now and it is now coming to the end of its life. there is a small hole after appearing in it and i am finding it hard to remove it from the rifle after using it.

i was never over protective about it but i did regularly soak it in gun oil and always left it somewhere warm and dry.

i wouldnt knock them for performance but they do take a bit of minding. i had a stainless ase for a couple of years before that and i never had a bother from it.

there are better out there now and even though they are very well priced i would advise going for something else in the long run

You should have minded it abit and it would have lasted longer.There only 250euro a pure give away.

Tackleberrywho

4200fps wrote: »

You should have minded it abit and it would have lasted longer.There only 250euro a pure give away.

In fairness, Paulo puts a lot of rounds down his and they are made of poor Quality steel.
An ASE Stainless or Roedale Ti mod is not much more than what you paid for yours yet far superior.

I got rid of my T8 as hunting and water sensitive metals don't mix well.

4200fps

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

In fairness, Paulo puts a lot of rounds down his and they are made of poor Quality steel.
An ASE Stainless or Roedale Ti mod is not much more than what you paid for yours yet far superior.

I got rid of my T8 as hunting and water sensitive metals don't mix well.

I sopose your right now.I myself wouldnt spent too much money on an expensive one.some of them are mental money.What type is yours?Its a grand size,I would have bought a wildcat but they are way too long,My rifle is prity heavy so less weight the merrier.

Tackleberrywho

4200fps wrote: »

I sopose your right now.I myself wouldnt spent too much money on an expensive one.some of them are mental money.What type is yours?Its a grand size,I would have bought a wildcat but they are way too long,My rifle is prity heavy so less weight the merrier.

ASE S5, next mod will be a Roedale precision Via.Edi Graef/PSE Composites.

4200fps

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

ASE S5, next mod will be a Roedale precision Via.Edi Graef/PSE Composites.

how much would you be talking about for a roedale?

Tackleberrywho

4200fps wrote: »

how much would you be talking about for a roedale?

Rf
Give Edi Graef a PM on
http://www.pse-composites.com/contact-information.html

Constab2

Anyone got the Roedale ,comments ,remarks ,performance etc as a friend of mine & I are looking to order two from Edi .We have read all about them , contacted the manufacturer etc but as ever user ratings is & always will be the best guide for any purcahse

Hondata92

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Rf
Give Edi Graef a PM on
http://www.pse-composites.com/contact-information.html

Constab2 wrote: »

Anyone got the Roedale ,comments ,remarks ,performance etc as a friend of mine & I are looking to order two from Edi .We have read all about them , contacted the manufacturer etc but as ever user ratings is & always will be the best guide for any purcahse

Didnt know Edi was a Registered Firearms Dealer

Thinking about a knew mod and roedale seems to fit the bill

kakashka

Ezridax wrote: »

The bushings on a T8 are all the one size when bought new. You are supposed to measure up where the bushing will sit when the mod is screwed on, and drill it out appropriately.

to a close fit but not touching AFAIK

I would say the bushing is not just a guide but is meant to act as a stabilizer for the mod. To keep it true, make sure when moving the rifle with mod attached the mod is not pulling on the threading of the barrel.

ok yes while your moving about,storage whatever but not while your using,i would say a tight bush is more likely to be pulling on the thread

I had my T8, and Mildcat mod cut to suit the exact position it would sit on the barrel.

fine if everything is perfect(i'm not considering thermal characteristics but sup's do get very hot)but perfect machining is not always the case and as i said before,i have often seen barrel's that are not concentric(if thats the word)...if your sup bush is marking your barrel particularly if the mark is more prominent in a particular area or uneven then i would say with certainty that it will affect your POI