Migrants hold candle-lit march

EGAR

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1217/migrants.html

Undocumented migrants and their families and supporters held a candle-lit march in Dublin this afternoon.



Undocumented migrants will march to the Dáil today


Undocumented migrants and their families and supporters held a candle-lit march from Grafton Street to the Dáil this afternoon.
The march was to make visible the plight of the estimated 30,000 undocumented migrants in Ireland, who - similar to the Irish undocumented in the United States - are living in limbo and are effectively cut off from visiting their families.
The marchers called on the Government to introduce an Earned Regularisation Scheme which would give undocumented persons in Ireland the hope and opportunity to legalise their immigration status.
The march comes on the eve of the United Nations' International Migrants Day.

An estimated 30.000?? How do they survive?

mfceiling

EGAR wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1217/migrants.html




An estimated 30.000?? How do they survive?

Easy...by stealing our women, eating our swans, fiddling cash machines/welfare scams etc...

the groutch

Before some else says it......... ROMA, ROMA, ROMA, BEGGING, BEGGING, RABBLE RABBLE.

senorwipesalot

They cant be that badly off.Have you seen the fcukin price of candles.

Duckworth_Luas

ROMA, ROMA, ROMA, BEGGING, BEGGING, RABBLE RABBLE.

44leto

This was a sting protest organised by the emigration control people, they have netted 30,000 of them.

So as of from next week there will be 30,000 less.

I don't know much about our emigration services or efficiencies, I imagine it is poor. But we have other problems and very bad ones that get more my concern.

phasers

good opportunity to round them up and turf them out...

Siuin

What kind of stupid migrant comes to Ireland?
At least go somewhere where there are jobs to steal...
Then again, we are a soft touch with the welfare

EGAR

I somehow doubt that we have 30.000 beggars in Ireland .

And: are undocumented migrants entitled to Social Welfare? I thought one needs a PPS number for that in the very least?

chucken1

Siuin wrote: »

What kind of stupid migrant comes to Ireland?
At least go somewhere where there are jobs to steal...
Then again, we are a soft touch with the welfare

The kind that finds Ireland a safer country than their own one maybe?

Im sure you've read stories in the media and here on Boards,about conflicts going on all over the world??

Siuin

chucken1 wrote: »

The kind that finds Ireland a safer country than their own one maybe?

Im sure you've read stories in the media and here on Boards,about conflicts going on all over the world??

Well obviously we're a step above Afghanistan, but out of all the countries in Europe-- Ireland? Really?!

InkSlinger67

When will the Swans march on the Daíl?

fando

An estimated 30.000?? How do they survive?

I somehow doubt that we have 30.000 beggars in Ireland .
And: are undocumented migrants entitled to Social Welfare? I thought one needs a PPS number for that in the very least?

Are you guys that naive to think there is no illegal work in Ireland?

chucken1

Siuin wrote: »

Well obviously we're a step above Afghanistan, but out of all the countries in Europe-- Ireland? Really?!

I wont/cant comment on European Migrants because I dont believe(I could be wrong)that the 30,000 are Europeans.
Id speculate that most are asylum seekers who have had their claim refused.
More than likely people from war torn countries.

phasers

chucken1 wrote: »

The kind that finds Ireland a safer country than their own one maybe?

Im sure you've read stories in the media and here on Boards,about conflicts going on all over the world??

wouldn't they have a legitimate claim for asylum if that were the case? And would therefore be official immigants as opposed to undeclared ones?

chucken1

Have a read through this. Im too tired to pick pieces from it

http://www.mrci.ie/Undocumented-Migrants/

Doc Ruby

phasers wrote: »

wouldn't they have a legitimate claim for asylum if that were the case? And would therefore be official immigants as opposed to undeclared ones?

Beats me how a small island can have tens of thousands of undeclared immigrants. I mean its not like we have a huge porous border like the US and Mexico.

Siuin

chucken1 wrote: »

I wont/cant comment on European Migrants because I dont believe(I could be wrong)that the 30,000 are Europeans.
Id speculate that most are asylum seekers who have had their claim refused.
More than likely people from war torn countries.

I'm not wondering about their origins, I'm wondering- why Ireland? Surely it's a bit more difficult, what with us being so far west in Europe and on an island, not to mention our crap economy

chucken1

Siuin wrote: »

I'm not wondering about their origins, I'm wondering- why Ireland? Surely it's a bit more difficult, what with us being so far west in Europe and on an island, not to mention our crap economy

Ok. Do you know...I havent a clue? Maybe we are still seen as a friendly place?

Sky King

senorwipesalot wrote: »

They cant be that badly off.Have you seen the fcukin price of candles.

They're cheaper if you rob them out of a church.

Kim_Il_Jong

Next marchers to the Dail will be holding flaming torches.

mattjack

Migrant tax next .

Doc Ruby

chucken1 wrote: »

Have a read through this. Im too tired to pick pieces from it

http://www.mrci.ie/Undocumented-Migrants/

I wasn't aware of this, so just so I have it straight, if:

• you came to Ireland to study and now your permission to remain has expired
• you entered Ireland without the required visa
• you entered as an asylum seeker and had your claim was refused
• you have been issued with a deportation order

then you are entitled to

• The right to shelter - You are entitled to apply for emergency accommodation if you find yourself homeless
• The right to health care - You are entitled to visit a GP, a specialist, to be admitted into emergency and maternity services
• The right to a minimum subsistence - You are entitled to apply for an Emergency Needs Payment from your local Community Welfare Officer
• The right to legal aid - you are entitled to free legal aid and to access the courts system

So literally anyone can wander into the country from anywhere, get free housing, welfare, healthcare and legal representation on the taxpayer's euro to fight for example deportation orders? I always thought the nuts on the right were just spouting when they said this was a possibility.

I dunno lads, I'm as open minded and welcoming as the next fella, and I love other cultures, but jaysus, theres a lot more people in the world than we can support. I get why it would be neccessary once someone has landed to make sure they don't starve or freeze, or keel over from disease, but it seems like a hell of a liability for us to be taking on.

gcgirl

Siuin wrote: »

chucken1 wrote: »

The kind that finds Ireland a safer country than their own one maybe?

Im sure you've read stories in the media and here on Boards,about conflicts going on all over the world??

Well obviously we're a step above Afghanistan, but out of all the countries in Europe-- Ireland? Really?!

As much as I hate Ireland sometimes LGBT issues are relatively safe here and I'd say a few of those migrants might have that problem of surpressing their sexuality in their home country for fear

gcgirl

Doc Ruby wrote: »

chucken1 wrote: »

Have a read through this. Im too tired to pick pieces from it

http://www.mrci.ie/Undocumented-Migrants/

I wasn't aware of this, so just so I have it straight, if:

• you came to Ireland to study and now your permission to remain has expired
• you entered Ireland without the required visa
• you entered as an asylum seeker and had your claim was refused
• you have been issued with a deportation order

then you are entitled to

• The right to shelter - You are entitled to apply for emergency accommodation if you find yourself homeless
• The right to health care - You are entitled to visit a GP, a specialist, to be admitted into emergency and maternity services
• The right to a minimum subsistence - You are entitled to apply for an Emergency Needs Payment from your local Community Welfare Officer
• The right to legal aid - you are entitled to free legal aid and to access the courts system

So literally anyone can wander into the country from anywhere, get free housing, welfare, healthcare and legal representation on the taxpayer's euro to fight for example deportation orders? I always thought the nuts on the right were just spouting when they said this was a possibility.

I dunno lads, I'm as open minded and welcoming as the next fella, and I love other cultures, but jaysus, theres a lot more people in the world than we can support. I get why it would be neccessary once someone has landed to make sure they don't starve or freeze, or keel over from disease, but it seems like a hell of a liability for us to be taking on.

Your adding 2+2 and get a million as your answer if you want to believe your own bs

Kim_Il_Jong

Yeah well, they can just keep it in their pants.

Doc Ruby

gcgirl wrote: »

Your adding 2+2 and get a million as your answer if you want to believe your own bs

Settle down. I'm just reading whats on the paper. Let me know if I've picked up anything sideways, as I probably have.

risteard7

Siuin wrote: »

What kind of stupid migrant comes to Ireland?
At least go somewhere where there are jobs to steal...
Then again, we are a soft touch with the welfare

You said it WELFARE its to much and easy here.We are a laughing stock
with our welfare system

gcgirl

Doc Ruby wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

Your adding 2+2 and get a million as your answer if you want to believe your own bs

Settle down. I'm just reading whats on the paper. Let me know if I've picked up anything sideways, as I probably have.

I know for a fact if your an european citizen you have to work for 2 yrs in order to even claim dole, it's the same for an Irish person coming home after being away for several years, so nope you don't get free this free that

gcgirl

risteard7 wrote: »

Siuin wrote: »

What kind of stupid migrant comes to Ireland?
At least go somewhere where there are jobs to steal...
Then again, we are a soft touch with the welfare

You said it WELFARE its to much and easy here.We are a laughing stock
with our welfare system

Again 2 yrs residence rule and you have to have worked 2 yrs or more to claim dole

chucken1

gcgirl wrote: »

As much as I hate Ireland sometimes LGBT issues are relatively safe here and I'd say a few of those migrants might have that problem of surpressing their sexuality in their home country for fear

That would be ONE reason. Im actually glad this was brought up.
We're friends with a 33 year old guy from Pakistan. When he was 18 he was sent to the States to study. While he was there he met a guy and they lived together as partners.
When his studies finished he returned home,BUT the wrong people heard about
"his antics" and someone shot at him. Simlpy because he Muslim and gay.

The most horrible thing was,the shot missed and hit his 10 year old brother who is now paralysed from the neck down.

His parents are totally supportive of him but he can NEVER go home.
He arrived here because he felt he would NEVER be treated badly here..8 months on he is settling in,but WE have lost "friends" because of our friendship with him...

Huh?

edit: Put yourself in his shoes and multiply it by 30,000

purplepanda

So apart from an odd person hidden in a lorry coming through Rosslare from Spain or France, how do they get into the country from outside the EU?

It's not as if there are direct flights from Dublin to other airports inside their countries of origin!!!

chucken1

purplepanda wrote: »

So apart from an odd person hidden in a lorry coming through Rosslare from Spain or France, how do they get into the country from outside the EU?

It's not as if there are direct flights from Dublin to other airports inside their countries of origin!!!

Have you read post 16?

Doc Ruby

gcgirl wrote: »

I know for a fact if your an european citizen you have to work for 2 yrs in order to even claim dole, it's the same for an Irish person coming home after being away for several years, so nope you don't get free this free that

I didn't say dole, I said welfare, in this case assistance from the welfare officer, which as far as I'm aware is paid out at the same level as the dole, similar to self employed people. Housing and the rest of it still stands, which is sound, but when you think about it, except maybe free legal aid, which is more of a problem with the staggering fees being charged by the gentlemens club that is the legal profession in Ireland.

Belly_Dancer

purplepanda wrote: »

So apart from an odd person hidden in a lorry coming through Rosslare from Spain or France, how do they get into the country from outside the EU?

It's not as if there are direct flights from Dublin to other airports inside their countries of origin!!!

most will fly into the UK, claim whatever they can there and then get a taxi/ferry to Dublin, walk into our immigration services and having mysteriously "lost" all their documentation claim their free board 'n lodgings.

Frequent trips will then be made between here & the UK in order to milk both systems for all they're worth. Having half a dozen sprogs will boost hand-outs enormously.
Oh! and once you got your free housing you can invite all your mates & extended family to likewise rip-off both social welfare systems.

starbelgrade

gcgirl wrote: »

I know for a fact if your an european citizen you have to work for 2 yrs in order to even claim dole, it's the same for an Irish person coming home after being away for several years, so nope you don't get free this free that

You get free candles.

starviewadams

Rabble rabble milking our welfare rabble rabble 60 bedroomed free houses Joe and 400 children rabble rabble heard it from my mates cousins uncles daughter in law rabble rabble.

Belly_Dancer

all illegals should once apprehended be deported.
a lien should be put on any monies held in bank accounts to defray the costs of deportation.

end of.

starbelgrade

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

all illegals should once apprehended be deported.
a lien should be put on any monies held in bank accounts to defray the costs of deportation.

end of.

Any more far right wing policies you'd like to see introduced?

chucken1

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

all illegals should once apprehended be deported.
a lien should be put on any monies held in bank accounts to defray the costs of deportation.

end of.

UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS.
Read up on it
Try post 16

Belly_Dancer

undocumented = illegal

so bye, bye!

Cavehill Red

If 30,000 other people who shared nothing other than they'd be found guilty of having broken a specific Irish law and were still breaking it presently - let's say shoplifters or something - were to march through Dublin, I'd expect the police to be out asking for IDs and looking to perform arrests.
So how come there were no arrests on this occasion?

EGAR

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

all illegals should once apprehended be deported.
a lien should be put on any monies held in bank accounts to defray the costs of deportation.

end of.

Would you apply the same rule to the many thousands of illegal Irish in the USA?

Belly_Dancer

chucken1 wrote: »

Ok. Do you know...I havent a clue? Maybe we are still seen as a friendly place?

well we need to alter this perception.
they were not invited, & they are not welcome.
we cannot afford them & we owe them nothing.

Belly_Dancer

EGAR wrote: »

Would you apply the same rule to the many thousands of illegal Irish in the USA?

as an Irish voter/citizen & taxpayer I would not presume to advise the US how to enforce their immigration laws.
that is entirely a matter for them.

Cavehill Red

EGAR wrote: »

Would you apply the same rule to the many thousands of illegal Irish in the USA?

Absolutely. One should respect the law of the land one is in or go somewhere else.

Carry

EGAR wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1217/migrants.html




An estimated 30.000?? How do they survive?

I've read the news, too, my first thought was that the peace-movement-candlelit-middle-classes are on it again.

My second thought was that, come Christmas, they are looking for a cause and with the main reasons which are exactly middle-class: Oh the poor people far away from home at this time of the year! :rolleyes:

Do they ever think that there are people who actually don't miss the bland turkey and the family rows?
That there are actually people who have no Christmas in their culture?
People who left their family to support them?

It's pure good-doing chistmassy hypocrisy.
They wouldn't organise a protest, say, in March, wouldn't they?

Apart from that - how do the illegal residents survive? Ask the Irish black market. Ask yourself about survival instincts.
Or, as an old German fairy tale goes: There is always somewhere something better than death.

chucken1

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

well we need to alter this perception.
they were not invited, & they are not welcome.
we cannot afford them & we owe them nothing.

Thats delightful. Speak for yourself.

southsiderosie

Belly_Dancer wrote: »

most will fly into the UK, claim whatever they can there and then get a taxi/ferry to Dublin, walk into our immigration services and having mysteriously "lost" all their documentation claim their free board 'n lodgings.

Frequent trips will then be made between here & the UK in order to milk both systems for all they're worth. Having half a dozen sprogs will boost hand-outs enormously.
Oh! and once you got your free housing you can invite all your mates & extended family to likewise rip-off both social welfare systems.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Clearly you have never had to deal with UK immigration agents as a non-EU citizen. :mad:

chucken1

southsiderosie wrote: »

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Clearly you have never had to deal with UK immigration agents as a non-EU citizen. :mad:

Probably never been through immigration..anywhere.

chucken1

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If 30,000 other people who shared nothing other than they'd be found guilty of having broken a specific Irish law and were still breaking it presently - let's say shoplifters or something - were to march through Dublin, I'd expect the police to be out asking for IDs and looking to perform arrests.
So how come there were no arrests on this occasion?

What law are they breaking?