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David Cameron says the UK is a Christian country

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    #62
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    jank wrote: »
    Are you directing that post at me because to be pedantic I am not a Christian.

    Ah yes, I see you identified yourself as agnostic elsewhere. In any case, the post is still directed at you albeit without the bit at the end about Christians.


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    #63
    dmw07
    Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    philologos wrote: »
    I wouldn't really argue that there are very different beliefs involved. The core 90% is about the same in respect to what all Christian churches regard concerning Jesus, why He came, lived and died, what God's desires for us, how we should live, and so on. Most of the issues arise in respect to practice, or on tangential issues. As for whether or not most congregants or claimed Christians actually truly believe in the 90% that's up for question.

    90%! bejayses i read 64.37%, or was it 73.45%?? :pac:

    In seriousness now, your last musing has always flirted with my ponderings and is an evident observation to the ardent follower. When I did attend church anyway. The latecomers, the people who leave after communion, the people who drop in for ten minutes just to be seen. Hell the amount of people there for pure private business and political dealings was quite evident if you knew them outside of church. How much do these people believe in, follow or just go along with just for reasons outside of religion.

    For me, religions have and are not only the drivers and terrain but also the vehicles for manipulation in the name of god for centuries. That in itself is enough reason to question religions worth if such a god is so flippant and dismissive in it's judgement.

    Hypothetically speaking, would a arbitrary average of non-believers going to church, lets say between 15-20% of church goers, actually matter to you?


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    #64
    philologos
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    It varies from church to church. In the church I currently go to in London, I've had meaningful discussions about Jesus and what the Gospel with those in my congregation and I could honestly say that all that I have met sincerely believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Saviour. I can tell that those who I have spoken to have been truly transformed by the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    There are other more liberal churches which may compromise on the Gospel, or indeed other churches which claim to be more conservative but don't teach the Gospel clearly.

    Most denominations in the sense of their explicitly defined beliefs are 90% the same, but whether or not people take this into practice is questionable.

    As for whether or not 15 - 20% would concern me, of course it would. Non-belief in general concerns me, hence why I support an evangelical approach to the Gospel.

    Have a great Christmas :)


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    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    philologos wrote: »
    I support an evangelical approach to the Gospel.
    Behold the power of the replicator...

    Have a good christmas!


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    #66
    jobee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 549 ✭✭✭jobee


    robindch wrote: »
    Britain is suffering from "moral collapse" and "[...] the Bible has helped to give Britain a set of values and morals which make Britain what it is today"? A moment of delicious, if unintentional, truth. But it's a shame that Cameron had to wait until Christopher Hitchens was dead before saying it.

    From the BBC:

    Strange, in my home town of Leicester many churches have closed down, and those that are open are empty most of the time. jobee-secular club-leicester.


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    #67
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    hoorsmelt wrote: »
    Cameron is a hypocrite- he was a member of the Bullingdon Club at Oxford, which specialised in drunken binges and destructive rampages. Is destroying restaurants 'moral collapse' or just a bit of harmless pranking? To me it's no different from people who went on the rampage in August, only difference being Cameron and his buddies were never going to have the book thrown at them for their actions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

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    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23385412-camerons-cronies-in-the-bullingdon-class-of-87.do

    Look, people need to realise that the actually classification and reasons for your actions is based entirely on the postal code of your birth. Rich and entitled people simply cannot be vandals and thugs. It's science.


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