Insomnia (was Starbucks) opening in Sutton and now Howth!

Black Cow

Saw a sign up where Falks Lighting used to be on the Dublin Road - beside Apache Pizza. Sweet! Not too far from my gaff. Decent enough parking there too.

Degsy

Yeah..Great..Woo-Hoo...:rolleyes:

Morpork

White cafe Mocha please! Love that stuff.
This will be the closest SB to me now.

Black Cow

Morpork wrote: »

White cafe Mocha please! Love that stuff.
This will be the closest SB to me now.

Yeah, handier than Malahide anyway!

Black Cow

Degsy wrote: »

Yeah..Great..Woo-Hoo...:rolleyes:

Problem? It's Dublin City news - exactly what this forum is for.

ntlbell

Black Cow wrote: »

Problem? It's Dublin City news - exactly what this forum is for.

****e coffee chain opens to sell over priced ****e coffee.

no news.

Degsy

Black Cow wrote: »

Problem? It's Dublin City news - exactly what this forum is for.

Its news that another branch of an overpriced american multinational is opening at the expense of local business to pander to the Fade St brigade?

It certainly is news but not good news.

Black Cow

I'd agree about the multinational thing not being a positive; but the building itself is currently empty & looks sh*te - so they're not pushing out any existing businesses; they're creating local jobs in a tough economy, paying rates to the county council, and paying rent to a local property owner whose building is currently lying vacant; so I welcome it for those reasons.

And it'll be handy to just pull up & grab a coffee - there's nowhere else locally to do that except a garage.

MagicMarker

Black Cow wrote: »

And it'll be handy to just pull up & grab a coffee - there's nowhere else locally to do that except a garage.

You do realise you can buy and brew coffee yourself?

iMax

They'd be better off opening in sutton cross. Loads of empty units up there & a better catchment area

AnonoBoy

Awful coffee. Hugely over-priced. Do not want.

Black Cow

MagicMarker wrote: »

You do realise you can buy and brew coffee yourself?

Yeah; I'm the only person in the world who likes to grab a take-away coffee... oh wait!

Sh*te point - move along.

MagicMarker

Black Cow wrote: »

Yeah; I'm the only person in the world who likes to grab a take-away coffee... oh wait!

Sh*te point - move along.

No need to get your knickers in a twist, if you want to piss away your money then fire away.

subway

Degsy wrote: »

Its news that another branch of an overpriced american multinational is opening at the expense of local business to pander to the Fade St brigade?

It certainly is news but not good news.

falks closed a long time ago, so did texaco.
a new business oprning up there and providing jobs is a good thing as no local business has seen fit to open anything there.
bayside shops and sutton cross both have empty units so who is at the expense of? they havent forced anyone out and arent directly competing with anyone.
the nearest coffee shop is sutton cross (new deli) who, i believe, rely on foot trade to the local businesses and railway station. not many people drive up to sutton just for a coffee.

i think its a good thing for the area, better than a shelll of a building lying empty for an indefinite period anyway.

Black Cow

subway wrote: »

falks closed a long time ago, so did texaco.
a new business oprning up there and providing jobs is a good thing as no local business has seen fit to open anything there.
bayside shops and sutton cross both have empty units so who is at the expense of? they havent forced anyone out and arent directly competing with anyone.
the nearest coffee shop is sutton cross (new deli) who, i believe, rely on foot trade to the local businesses and railway station. not many people drive up to sutton just for a coffee.

i think its a good thing for the area, better than a shelll of a building lying empty for an indefinite period anyway.

That was exactly my point. And it's not as if I'm Starbucks - so no idea why all the above comments were even directed at me. I just enjoy a take-away coffee, as do most people.

If people want to pointlessly argue the quality of the coffee & the price, there's a coffee forum for that.


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MagicMarker wrote: »

No need to get your knickers in a twist, if you want to piss away your money then fire away.

Such pointless snobbery...
I will spend my money how I wish - but thanks for your permission. Out of interest; why did you make your first post advising me to brew my own coffee? It's completely stupid - millions & millions of people worldwide get coffees "to go" - why act like it's such an alien concept, and 'tut' at the very notion? Seems pretty pointless & off topic.

tricky D

Black Cow wrote: »

Starbucks opening in Sutton!

Eh, that's Kilbarrack really. Sutton is over 2 kms away with Bayside and the north end of Baldoyle in between.

It's going to be a struggle for them. They'll be relying massively on passing traffic, mainly in the non-townward direction, stopping for sales that will only be in the region of €5 unlike Apache next door which has would get 3 or 4 times that.

There's also almost no footfall trade unlike Coffey's in the Superquinn Sutton complex and newDeli, the one beside TSB, which have 2 schools, a train station and other shopping centre users including loads of 4x4 driving yummy mummies helping their trade.

If cars going into to town stop, there will be a traffic problem.

subway

it is an odd spot, i wonder if they expect to get trade from walkers along the seafront perhaps?

Black Cow

subway wrote: »

it is an odd spot, i wonder if they expect to get trade from walkers along the seafront perhaps?

No idea - but I pass there 4 or 5 times per day, and I'd probably be a likely candidate to pull in & stop for a Cappuccino in the winter or a Frappuccino in the summer. Can't really see a traffic or parking issue, TBH - you can park all along that road - people pull in at Apache all the time.
Plus, Bayside is right beside it which has a big enough population, but if they were in Bayside Sq. people probably wouldn't know they were there & they'd miss the passing trade. "Bay" in Clontarf is always busy, and they have a similar type of location.

Black Cow

tricky D wrote: »

It's going to be a struggle for them.

I thought that initially - but the sad thing is that if an independent coffee shop opened there, they'd probably go out of business - but I think Starbucks will thrive purely because of the brand name.

subway

theres only room for about 7 or 8 cars max, and like you say, they are usually apache delivery drivers waiting around.
its not a great spot to stop, especially if coming from the sutton to town direction
lots of people who do stop, then try to u-turn to go back, causing more problems.

if you've ever been in a starbucks, you'll know they like people to hang out etc.
if they take up the whole of falks, it could be a fairly large place.

i'm not saying it will or wont be a success, its definitely a good spot for visibility, but ill say the same thing i said about the new coffee shop at bayside, who are also expecting passing trade.
if i am on my way somewhere (such as work) i will get a coffee when i get there.
if i am on my home from somewhere, i will have one when i get in.

i will be up in this starbucks most days, in fact if they offer free wifi i might cancel my lease and move in, but most people dont have the luxury of that. i am mainly interested in the business model more than anything.
the garage that was there for years went out of business without evening contemplating a premium coffee shop, common in many garages, maybe that was his mistake or maybe he thought it was a bad idea?

Degsy

Black Cow wrote: »

millions of people worldwide get coffees "to go" - why act like it's such an alien concept

It is an alien concept.."to go" is a sickening americanism..beloved of people who wear sunglasses on their heads indoors and say "like" every other word..its as alien as "The Hills" or any other tripe from across the atlantic.

Whats wrong with a jar of Nescafe and a flask if you want to drink coffee on teh move?

Black Cow

subway wrote: »

theres only room for about 7 or 8 cars max, and like you say, they are usually apache delivery drivers waiting around.
its not a great spot to stop, especially if coming from the sutton to town direction
lots of people who do stop, then try to u-turn to go back, causing more problems.

if you've ever been in a starbucks, you'll know they like people to hang out etc.
if they take up the whole of falks, it could be a fairly large place.

i'm not saying it will or wont be a success, its definitely a good spot for visibility, but ill say the same thing i said about the new coffee shop at bayside, who are also expecting passing trade.
if i am on my way somewhere (such as work) i will get a coffee when i get there.
if i am on my home from somewhere, i will have one when i get in.

i will be up in this starbucks most days, in fact if they offer free wifi i might cancel my lease and move in, but most people dont have the luxury of that. i am mainly interested in the business model more than anything.
the garage that was there for years went out of business without evening contemplating a premium coffee shop, common in many garages, maybe that was his mistake or maybe he thought it was a bad idea?

Yeah, I agree.

Time will tell I guess. Maybe the garage will be a car park or something - who knows what's planned. "Bay" are currently using the Dollymount House car park as an overflow, which is a good idea.

subway

that could work, they are clearing the garage now anyway, i think they had a time limit to leave the tanks underground or something like that.
afaik, no plans to do anything with the site once they are gone so could be a possibility. would work well for apache too.

will wait and see anyway, do you know when starbucks is due to open?

Black Cow

Degsy wrote: »

It is an alien concept.."to go" is a sickening americanism..beloved of people who wear sunglasses on their heads indoors and say "like" every other word..its as alien as "The Hills" or any other tripe from across the atlantic.

Whats wrong with a jar of Nescafe and a flask if you want to drink coffee on teh move?

Here's the problem with your post - I don't care. I don't even know what point you're trying to make - are you trying to say some people are knobs? Is that your amazing revelation? Everyone already knows that. Move along if you've nothing even vaguely interesting to add.

Black Cow

subway wrote: »

do you know when starbucks is due to open?

No idea - just saw a sign on my way to work.

subway

no worries, well, i'll keep an eye out myself, hopefully wont be long

Black Cow

Degsy wrote: »

Whats wrong with a jar of Nescafe and a flask if you want to drink coffee on teh move?

It doesn't look as cool when I pose with my Macbook & skinny jeans. Why you ask?

Sundy

Degsy wrote: »

It is an alien concept.."to go" is a sickening americanism..beloved of people who wear sunglasses on their heads indoors and say "like" every other word..its as alien as "The Hills" or any other tripe from across the atlantic.

Whats wrong with a jar of Nescafe and a flask if you want to drink coffee on teh move?

edgy,

the anti-starbucks thing makes me laugh! Their coffee isnt always the best but at least it tastes the same everywhere and you know what you will get. Unlike many independent Irish coffee shops which serve up muck 10 times worse than star bucks.

Black Cow

Sundy wrote: »

the anti-starbucks thing makes me laugh!

What's even funnier is that this topic has nothing at all to do with the quality of Starbucks coffee. But trolls gonna troll...

Sundy

Black Cow wrote: »

What's even funnier is that this topic has nothing at all to do with the quality of Starbucks coffee. But trolls gonna troll...

Its ok, looks like he has gone back to chatting about bodybuilding and fake tan

Degsy

Black Cow wrote: »

It doesn't look as cool when I pose with my Macbook & skinny jeans. Why you ask?

Ah so you're one of these people who goes into Starbucks out of the cold..buys one coffee and sits there all day on the free wifi,idling thier time away?

A mecca fior wasters as well as posers.

P. Breathnach

Sundy wrote: »

... Their coffee isnt always the best but at least it tastes the same everywhere and you know what you will get....

Which is exactly why I don't drink Starbucks: the coffee is consistently not good.

Black Cow

Degsy wrote: »

Ah so you're one of these people who goes into Starbucks out of the cold..buys one coffee and sits there all day on the free wifi,idling thier time away?

Yeah, either I'm one of "those" or maybe, just maybe, I was taking the p*ss out of your ignorant stereotype - but I'll let you use your incredible aptitude & brain power to work out which one I am. Try not to dribble as you think.

Effects

tricky D wrote: »

Eh, that's Kilbarrack really. Sutton is over 2 kms away with Bayside and the north end of Baldoyle in between.

You must be confused, Bayside is in Sutton.

number10a

Thank Christ there is none in Cork yet. Well there's one in the airport, but that doesn't count. Must be the only city in Europe left that hasn't been plagued with ash-tray flavoured coffee and long may it stay that way.

Effects

Degsy wrote: »

Whats wrong with a jar of Nescafe and a flask if you want to drink coffee on teh move?

Nescafe tastes like shít perhaps?

tricky D

Effects wrote: »

You must be confused, Bayside is in Sutton.

Nope, it's in Bayside, unless you want your house top be perceived as being in a 'nicer area'. If Bayside is in anywhere, it's Kilbarrack according to the OS Street Guide.

Effects

No, no, no. I went out with a girl years ago and her address was Bayside Boulevard North, Bayside, Sutton, Dublin 13. And Sutton Park is there too, I suppose that isn't in Sutton either?

subway

Effects wrote: »

No, no, no. I went out with a girl years ago and her address was Bayside Boulevard North, Bayside, Sutton, Dublin 13. And Sutton Park is there too, I suppose that isn't in Sutton either?

Officialy, its not, strangelyenough.
I live here now and its bayside, its considered its own area and in old money it is part of kilbarrack.

Its not really relevant to this thread though
Lets keep this to its original intention, discussing the quality of stsrbucks coffee, wasnt it??

tricky D

Effects wrote: »

No, no, no. I went out with a girl years ago and her address was Bayside Boulevard North, Bayside, Sutton, Dublin 13. And Sutton Park is there too, I suppose that isn't in Sutton either?

So why then, is Kilbarrack Cemetary to the east of Bayside?

Truth is that over the past few decades Sutton has been extended into addresses in those areas for property and snob value. Friend recently sold their house there as being in Sutton for exactly those reasons.

Vanbis

tricky D wrote: »

Eh, that's Kilbarrack really. Sutton is over 2 kms away with Bayside and the north end of Baldoyle in between.

I was thinking the same. They'd have being better opening one up at sutton cross. I can't see it lasting there, location wise its very bad.

Effects

Starbucks coffee is overpriced and under flavoured. That said, it would be handy to have a Starbucks in Bayside to keep me awake for the long drive between there and Sutton.

tricky D

Just took a look at http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx

The current map has Bayside in Kilbarrack Lower and the old Historic version has Kilbarrack stretching all the way to Baldoyle Road. Nevermind that, Baldoyle has its own post office.

Edit: It's a long drive alright on a sunny afternoon at the weekend. It can take well over 30 mins for all of 2kms distance.

spence101

Very strange place to open a starbucks, I worked in Texaco until it closed down and the walk in customers are very few. The main walk ins were people jogging/cycling on the cycle track buying water. Cant really see them chowing down on a calorie laden Crapachino.

although, it will attract an awful lot of attention and people will go out of their way to go there. Parking will be a nightmare and I feel sorry for the residents in the small estate beside Falks, they are gonna be at the mercy of soccer moms with oversized and overpriced jeeps who don't care where they park.

it might benefit Apache though and it would have benefited Texaco no end. I really hope it doesn't take away from coffey's in sutton cross though.

Black Cow

It's not really Sutton though - this sign here is where Sutton starts:
http://g.co/maps/knvn9

Littlehorny

Drive up and down that road regularly, there is no parking along that area? Used to ring ahead for a pizza alright and run in and collect it. Thought alot of cars just parked along the roadside there would be dangerous, still better to see the unit occupied than empty.

Black Cow

Littlehorny wrote: »

Drive up and down that road regularly, there is no parking along that area? Used to ring ahead for a pizza alright and run in and collect it. Thought alot of cars just parked along the roadside there would be dangerous, still better to see the unit occupied than empty.

Rumour is that the old Texaco will be a car park after the underground tanks are decommissioned.

subway

Is that rumor starting on here tho?

Black Cow

subway wrote: »

Is that rumor starting on here tho?

Yeah, I started it on the last page.

thisiswar

There's a Starbucks across from my apartment, another 3 mins walk down the road and another shortly after that.

The novelty wears off quickly, trust me.

imme

a sad day indeed