Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

The_Thing

The fact that some extortionist had the gall to say "a bomb will go off in Dublin" if the bond-holders didn't get paid is reason enough in my opinion not to pay.

Enda and Co don't have the balls to tell them where to go so we must do it for them.

tayto lover

black francis wrote: »

Judge: are you going to pay your fine?
Tayto: Absolutely not.
Judge: off to prison until you purge your contempt.

20 years later..............
Mrs Tayto: Tayto, come on this has become a joke, you need to back down over this property charge, after all, everyone has agreed that it was an important step in stabilising our tax base and allowing us to return to a more sustainable budgetary system.
Tayto: no way, there's loads of guys on an Internet forum I promised. And that's a sacred promise you never go back on.
Besides, I'm beginning to enjoy the male rape.


The End.

Which Barabbas would they free to make room for such an important criminal such as me. A Banker friend of the Govt or a Speculator friend of the Govt ? Jeysus what am i thinking about at all ?? Sure they won't be in jail !!!

Now Francis do you really think they will jail a non Household Tax payer while the Bankers etc are all free ? Really ??
It would bring the Govt down, that's what it would do. For your information there are plenty of people willing to be the first just to have the pleasure of achieving that very feat.
Climb down from your high horse Francis, your arse must be freezing in this weather.

galwayrush

tayto lover wrote: »

Which Barabbas would they free to make room for such an important criminal such as me. A Banker friend of the Govt or a Speculator friend of the Govt ? Jeysus what am i thinking about at all ?? Sure they won't be in jail !!!

Now Francis do you really think they will jail a non Household Tax payer while the Bankers etc are all free ? Really ??
It would bring the Govt down, that's what it would do. For your information there are plenty of people willing to be the first just to have the pleasure of achieving that very feat.
Climb down from your high horse Francis, your arse must be freezing in this weather.

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Wild Bill

Scene One: A crowded Dirstrict Courthouse full of non-payers, protesters, and meeja from around the world

Good Citizen #1: Yer Honour, I refuse to pay this extortionate tax imposed on the disenfranchised Irish people by the German Dictatorship.

Judge (paid by German money): Guilty - six months.

Riot ensues; police (paid by the Germans) crack heads and arrest dozens.

Scene Two: Special Criminal Court full of non-payers (no media or protesters)

Good Citizen # 1,247: I refuse to recognize this illegitimate court.
SCC Judge #1: Five years for offenses against the state.

Scene Three: Portlaoise Prison after the default and collapse of the euro; thousands of prisoners released by prison guards who haven't been paid for months

Jury of Good Citizens: How do plead you to treason, aiding and abetting the occupation and violence against lawful protests by citizens?

Assorted Judges and Senior Police: Silence.

Jury of Good Citizens: Off with their heads.

Scene Four: Cheering and dancing in the streets as assorted judges, politicians and collaborators are dragged kicking and screaming through the streets of New Tripoli (formerly Portlaoise)

And you think this couldn't happen? :rolleyes:

Read your history

dxhound2005

That sounds much more likely than the rather continental stringing up on a lampost. And you can dump the bodies at the border as a warning against people you disagree with getting elected.

I just came home to find a leaflet from CAHWT advertising a gathering in Dundalk 2 to 4 pm Saturday. Full of the usual scaremongering but one interesting addition. "We say scrap the Household (yes it says scrap the Household). Tax and tax the rich. It doesn't specify what rich means.

No mention whatsoever about the law meaning a charge is placed on the title of the property until the debt is cleared.

Wild Bill

dxhound2005 wrote: »

. And you can dump the bodies at the border as a warning against people you disagree with getting elected.

I think criminals are more traditionally buried in quicklime.

It would be a warning to those who claim a right to dictate on the basis that "Ireland isn't a democracy"

Slick50

dvpower wrote: »

Are you telling me that you can't find the legislation?:eek:

The usual sh*te. You demand links left right and centre, but when you can't provide one yourself, you come out with this crap.

You asked what question I wanted answered. Blow it out your hole.

Going Forward

Fine Gael's 2011 election manifesto promise, now quickly broken:

"Funding Local Government: Fianna Fail’s proposal, now endorsed by the Labour Party, to introduce by 2014 an annual, recurring residential property tax on the family home is unfair. But as we tackle the fiscal crisis, we will have to cut central exchequer funding for local authorities, and we recognise that local authorities will have to find more sustainable sources of revenue appropriate to local circumstances. What will be viewed as fair in South Dublin might be viewed as unworkable in rural Clare.

In this context, we will empower local authorities to put in place, following the 2014 local elections, fairer alternatives to Fianna Fail’s and Labour’s recurring annual tax on the family home."

Fine Gael lied. They told us we were voting for "change".
Thanks a lot Enda, Phil, and silent Eamon. LIARS.

ELECTED UNDER FALSE PRETENCES

Apologies if anyone is offended by me unwittingly re posting this if it has already been posted by someone else.

Wild Bill

Slick50 wrote: »

The usual sh*te. You demand links left right and centre, but when you can't provide one yourself, you come out with this crap.

You asked what question I wanted answered. Blow it out your hole.

I appreciate the sentiment but that's rude.

Wild Bill

Going Forward wrote: »

Fine Gael lied. They told us we were voting for "change".
Thanks a lot Enda, Phil, and silent Eamon. LIARS.

As Pee Flynn might have put it - that's Blueshirts for ya!

And these guys are the folk who reckon they "saved" Irish democracy :pac:

Like Franco saved democracy in Spain!

bedirect

Outside dublin where i live I pay 400 a year bin charges, it is weighed every week.
i have my own well but i paid 1000 for a pump and I have electricity & maintenance costs. The problem is that everybody should have been paying bin & water charges but no minister had the balls to do it in case he was not re elected. That has been the problem with Irish politicans, t"the most important job to do when you get elected is to make sure you are re elected the next time". Look at Michael Mc Dowell, he tackled, immigration, prison officers, guards, Ira criminals and lets face it they all needed reform. But the media portrayed him as a bully, but in fact he was only doing his job as minister for Justice. Our banks wernt regulated thats why we are in a mess and Canada & Australia are ok. This tax is necessary, no more freebies. Ill pay my bit as long as everybody else does. Why should there be free water in cities when country people had to organise group water schemes

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That sounds much more likely than the rather continental stringing up on a lampost. And you can dump the bodies at the border as a warning against people you disagree with getting elected.

Dump them at the border

I'm intrigued.......


Why at the border dxhound? Please enlighten me?

dvpower

Slick50 wrote: »

The usual sh*te. You demand links left right and centre, but when you can't provide one yourself, you come out with this crap.

You asked what question I wanted answered. Blow it out your hole.

What information are you looking for and what efforts have you made to look it up yourself?

I can't be expected to act as a researcher for someone who isn't making the smallest bit of effort.

Ghandee

Wild Bill wrote: »

As Pee Flynn might have put it - that's Blueshirts for ya!

And these guys are the folk who reckon they "saved" Irish democracy :pac:

Like Franco saved democracy in Spain!

Love this song.....

Many Irishmen heard the call of Franco Joined Hitler and Mussolini too Propaganda from the pulpit and newspapers Helped O'Duffy to enlist his crew.

The call came from Maynooth, "support the facists" The men of cloth had failed yet again When the Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire As they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain.

Gingernuts31

bedirect wrote: »

Outside dublin where i live I pay 400 a year bin charges, it is weighed every week.
i have my own well but i paid 1000 for a pump and I have electricity & maintenance costs. The problem is that everybody should have been paying bin & water charges but no minister had the balls to do it in case he was not re elected. That has been the problem with Irish politicans, t"the most important job to do when you get elected is to make sure you are re elected the next time". Look at Michael Mc Dowell, he tackled, immigration, prison officers, guards, Ira criminals and lets face it they all needed reform. But the media portrayed him as a bully, but in fact he was only doing his job as minister for Justice. Our banks wernt regulated thats why we are in a mess and Canada & Australia are ok. This tax is necessary, no more freebies. Ill pay my bit as long as everybody else does. Why should there be free water in cities when country people had to organise group water schemes

+1 on this. I think at this stage Fein Gael and Labour know they won't get re-elected but they are trying to fix the country up a best they can before their term is over. People just want a fix but they don't want more taxes or more cuts. They bascially want a patch to fix it all nice but no glue to use on it in a matter of speaking. They all think the other parties will be better. No they won't they will still do what needs to be done to get things back on track. If we are still in this recession in 3 years time when it comes to election and the new party comes in lets see them reverse everything that has pissed people off and then see oh wait we needed to take that money from people to pay for things we can't afford too.

The people who say unfair tax bla bla bla, we have gotten away with it for long enough, same with water ,meters, long enough. No one likes change but jesus the Irish just don't want to pay what they owe full stop and im not talking about Ireland owing the EU or ECB or IMF im talking about all you fu*king whingers to this charge.

dxhound2005

The Socialist Party who are the main protagonists in this campaign have a plan for a wealth tax. They do not specify what level it would kick in at but one of their contributors suggested a 6% rate. I wonder how many of the 1.6 million would come out on the right side of this tax replacing the Household Charge.

Like me they think we are still quite a wealthy country.

http://www.socialistparty.net/household-charge/771-household-charge-bank-bailouts-robbery

Alternatives to stealth taxes and austerity

Despite the daily media propaganda, there is considerable untapped wealth in Ireland. The country is not broke. Ireland remains 6th out of 27 EU countries in financial wealth, but of course, this wealth is concentrated in a few hands. The Central Bank reported in May that there is €120 billion in Irish bank deposits – why could a wealth tax not be imposed on this rather than taking from households, from our education and health services? Massive natural gas and oil resources could also be explored for the benefit of Irish society, rather than for one or two multinationals.

tayto lover

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

+1 on this. I think at this stage Fein Gael and Labour know they won't get re-elected but they are trying to fix the country up a best they can before their term is over. People just want a fix but they don't want more taxes or more cuts. They bascially want a patch to fix it all nice but no glue to use on it in a matter of speaking. They all think the other parties will be better. No they won't they will still do what needs to be done to get things back on track. If we are still in this recession in 3 years time when it comes to election and the new party comes in lets see them reverse everything that has pissed people off and then see oh wait we needed to take that money from people to pay for things we can't afford too.

The people who say unfair tax bla bla bla, we have gotten away with it for long enough, same with water ,meters, long enough. No one likes change but jesus the Irish just don't want to pay what they owe full stop and im not talking about Ireland owing the EU or ECB or IMF im talking about all you fu*king whingers to this charge.

Maybe if they hadn't had their wages cut and the USC etc added they might have been in a better state to pay for it.
You can't tax your way out of a recession.

Wild Bill

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

+1 on this. I think at this stage Fein Gael and Labour know they won't get re-elected but they are trying to fix the country up a best they can before their term is over.

Hmmm...that's exactly what the dying FF regime said

And it only left the stage because the Greens got the colliewobbles!

The problem, we were told, was that the FF/Green coalition, elected at the tail end of the property bubble, didn't have a mandate for the cuts/'bail-out'/etc.

So we elected some clowns on the basis that they'd not do what what FF were doing.

And now we are told that they have a mandate to implement the exact same FF policy!

You seriously can't parody these cretins! :rolleyes:

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The Socialist Party who are the main protagonists in this campaign have a plan for a wealth tax. They do not specify what level it would kick in at but one of their contributors suggested a 6% rate. I wonder how many of the 1.6 million would come out on the right side of this tax replacing the Household Charge.

Like me they think we are still quite a wealthy country.

http://www.socialistparty.net/household-charge/771-household-charge-bank-bailouts-robbery

Alternatives to stealth taxes and austerity

Despite the daily media propaganda, there is considerable untapped wealth in Ireland. The country is not broke. Ireland remains 6th out of 27 EU countries in financial wealth, but of course, this wealth is concentrated in a few hands. The Central Bank reported in May that there is €120 billion in Irish bank deposits – why could a wealth tax not be imposed on this rather than taking from households, from our education and health services? Massive natural gas and oil resources could also be explored for the benefit of Irish society, rather than for one or two multinationals.

It would seem to me that they have said the wealth lies in a few hands.....so prob not 1.6 million of us.:cool:

Wild Bill

And where is Al gone?

It's one thing to put me on the 'ignore list' - but abandoning his own thread....

Bruthal

Wild Bill wrote: »

And where is Al gone?

It's one thing to put me on the 'ignore list' - but abandoning his own thread....

He is ignoring us all.

Ghandee

Wild Bill wrote: »

And where is Al gone?

It's one thing to put me on the 'ignore list' - but abandoning his own thread....

He has clocked off for the night, but his Co workers will soon begin their shift.....

There seems to be a rota system in place for some of the posters here.

Alfasud

We are just paying councillors wages for doing nothing. The Troica didn't suggest cutting their numbers, yet they could think of septic tanks etc. Its all lies.

CajunOnTour

Ghandee wrote: »

He has clocked off for the night, but his Co workers will soon begin their shift.....

Oh good! Like the American military I like a target-rich enviornment

donalg1

robbie7730 wrote: »

Wild Bill wrote: »

And where is Al gone?

It's one thing to put me on the 'ignore list' - but abandoning his own thread....

He is ignoring us all.

Can't blame him really he's dead right ignoring everyone

Wild Bill

donalg1 wrote: »

Can't blame him really he's dead right ignoring everyone

If only he'd not wasted 2,000 post coming to that conclusion!

I think it's a metaphor for the current political situation. You simply can't dictate an absurdity based on a bizarre notion of legitimacy.

I only hope he has learned from this and comes back wiser and humbler.

Wild Bill

btw - I note the percentages in the poll remain almost completely unchanged through 6,000 posts (including Al's 2k)

So what is the point?

I might just go to bed soon.....zzzzzzzzzz

dxhound2005

Ghandee wrote: »

He has clocked off for the night, but his Co workers will soon begin their shift.....

There seems to be a rota system in place for some of the posters here.

You haven't managed to intimidate everyone with a contrary opinion off the thread yet. Keep working on it.

CajunOnTour

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You haven't managed to intimidate everyone with a contrary opinion off the thread yet.

Correct. I'm still here

Wild Bill

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You haven't managed to intimidate everyone with a contrary opinion off the thread yet. Keep working on it.

So am I...but not for much longer...Morpheus calls....