FAT CAMP in Ireland for Fat Kids

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:04pm #1

After Watching Super Size Kids you have to Wonder wtf..

health in fat people is costing HSE millions per year.. is their a way to Stop this and teach our kids on how to eat and stay in shape. can we point the finger to the parents ? or is it the fact Consoles are part of our lifes kids today would want to spend hours end in front of a TV and play COD or GTA while the parents are sitting back and watching their kids get Fatter and fatter.till soon the only way to fix the problem is going under the knife which can cost up the 16k.
I feel and have always felt that the Irish Government should open up Judo/Boxing camps in the Summer for fat kids who are 6+ over their BMI

It does seem that we are the only place that doesnt give a Rats AS^ about fat kids. no better way to get their sh*t in gear then have them box their way though the Summer months..

when i was growing up we spend all our days out playing football no worry about fat kids back then but boy have times change..

GoldFour4 · 13-12-2011 9:07pm

Cork24 wrote: »

After Watching Super Size Kids you have to Wonder wtf..

health in fat people is costing HSE millions per year.. is their a way to Stop this and teach our kids on how to eat and stay in shape. can we point the finger to the parents ? or is it the fact Consoles are part of our lifes kids today would want to spend hours end in front of a TV and play COD or GTA while the parents are sitting back and watching their kids get Fatter and fatter.till soon the only way to fix the problem is going under the knife which can cost up the 16k.
I feel and have always felt that the Irish Government should open up Judo/Boxing camps in the Summer for fat kids who are 6+ over their BMI

It does seem that we are the only place that doesnt give a Rats AS^ about fat kids. no better way to get their sh*t in gear then have them box their way though the Summer months..

when i was growing up we spend all our days out playing football no worry about fat kids back then but boy have times change..

Unless their eating the consoles then its not that thats making them fat. I can spend hours at the playstation but I eat in moderation.

RachaelVO · 13-12-2011 9:07pm

Easy way out of it...

Make fruit and veggies cheaper than chocolate, crisps and junk food!

That's pretty much half the battle!

red menace · 13-12-2011 9:08pm

Cork24 wrote: »

After Watching Super Size Kids you have to Wonder wtf..

health in fat people is costing HSE millions per year.. is their a way to Stop this and teach our kids on how to eat and stay in shape. can we point the finger to the parents ? or is it the fact Consoles are part of our life's kids today would want to spend hours end in front of a TV and play COD or GTA while the parents are sitting back and watching their kids get Fatter and fatter.till soon the only way to fix the problem is going under the knife which can cost up the 16k.
I feel and have always felt that the Irish Government should open up Judo/Boxing camps in the Summer for fat kids who are 6+ over their BMI

It does seem that we are the only place that doesn't give a Rats AS^ about fat kids. no better way to get their sh*t in gear then have them box their way though the Summer months..

when i was growing up we spend all our days out playing football no worry about fat kids back then but boy have times change..

Why not prosecute the clearly negligent parents who let their kids get into that state in the first place

heate · 13-12-2011 9:08pm

There is no real reason for anyone really needing to go under the knife for weight control purposes.
It starts at home and in school the value of excercise and participation in sport is good for body and mind!
Patents are to blame for fat kids (omitting medical problems) they have control of their children's diets!

WIZE · 13-12-2011 9:08pm

I'm 32 and when I was young we played football 5 hrs a day but there was still fat kids everywhere

biko · 13-12-2011 9:09pm

You don't often see skinny parents with fat kids. The kids eat what the parents eat.

IM0 · 13-12-2011 9:11pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

Easy way out of it...

Make fruit and veggies cheaper than chocolate, crisps and junk food!

That's pretty much half the battle!

they are, a LOT cheaper too

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:13pm

heate wrote: »

There is no real reason for anyone really needing to go under the knife for weight control purposes.
It starts at home and in school the value of excercise and participation in sport is good for body and mind!
Patents are to blame for fat kids (omitting medical problems) they have control of their children's diets!

School Shops sell crap food, when i was in school and in the Student Union we got the school to ban, sugar sweets and fizzy drinks in the canteen. which didnt go down well with the students but still it was one way in getting the message out..

I do fell its not as easy as tell kids eat 4 meals a day and your done.. i think we need to look into Summer Camps

Geekness1234 · 13-12-2011 9:14pm

Send 'em to Africa, I hear they have no problems with obesity....

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:14pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

Easy way out of it...

Make fruit and veggies cheaper than chocolate, crisps and junk food!

That's pretty much half the battle!

In England Schools are teaching Kids on how to grow their own veggies here how to get a 18 year old to buy drink for you.

IM0 · 13-12-2011 9:16pm

heate wrote: »

There is no real reason for anyone really needing to go under the knife for weight control purposes.
It starts at home and in school the value of excercise and participation in sport is good for body and mind!
Patents are to blame for fat kids (omitting medical problems) they have control of their children's diets!

thats the problem, lots of people think they have a genuine medical condition but they dont they just have self control issues and dont exercise enough.
obesity is not something you are born with but a condition you develop through nutritional neglect and not eating a balanced healthy diet

RachaelVO · 13-12-2011 9:19pm

Cork24 wrote: »

I do fell its not as easy as tell kids eat 4 meals a day and your done.. i think we need to look into Summer Camps

You can have a child eat 3-4 meals a day but it's not how much they're eating, it's WHAT they're eating.

Alot of families sit down and watch telly while eating. You will actually eat MORE eating this way. Sitting down to a proper dinner. I know kids can be fussy buggers, and trying to get veggies into them can be a curse, this is why I LOVE my hand mixer, my kids get veggies and they don't even know it. Tomato bases sauces cover a multitude of tastes, and on home made pizza day (thursdays usually), my kids thing they are getting cheese and pepperoni. Nah, they are getting the extra advantages of spinach and carrots in the tomato sauce.

It will take a bit of parental effort and imagination to get kids to eat properly and stop serving up nuggets, potato croquettes, burgers and sh1te like that!

Deus Ex Machina · 13-12-2011 9:19pm

Fat people are funnier. Let them be fat.

If all the kids are strutting around absolutely shredded what will we have to laugh at then?

Dudess · 13-12-2011 9:19pm

I don't see many fat kids tbh but kids seem to walk places a lot less than they used to - whether it's the notion that there are more paedos out there.
The "In my day we climbed trees from morning to night" stuff though has been said for decades...

RachaelVO · 13-12-2011 9:21pm

Cork24 wrote: »

In England Schools are teaching Kids on how to grow their own veggies here how to get a 18 year old to buy drink for you.

Growing veggies with kids is class. I grow herbs and tomatoes with my kids, and this year they thought it was great being able to eat the tomatoes, even though they would NEVER eat them before that. I still have trouble getting veggies into them, but as I said in an earlier post, I try to use a bit of imagination!

Dudess · 13-12-2011 9:23pm

Cork24 wrote: »

It does seem that we are the only place that doesnt give a Rats AS^ about fat kids.

amerikay, dude.

MagicMarker · 13-12-2011 9:26pm

How much does alcohol cost the HSE?

BAN ALCOHOL!!!!

Oh wait no we like alcohol, better do something else.

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:26pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

Growing veggies with kids is class. I grow herbs and tomatoes with my kids, and this year they thought it was great being able to eat the tomatoes, even though they would NEVER eat them before that. I still have trouble getting veggies into them, but as I said in an earlier post, I try to use a bit of imagination!

Kids see it as fun stuff doing with their parents and want to share that by tasting the items they grew them selfs..

but i dont think tricking a kid is the way to go.. if they found out that it was fruit and not something else they thought it was then they could have eating issues where they will just stop eating

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 9:26pm

Cork24 wrote: »

After Watching Super Size Kids you have to Wonder wtf..

health in fat people is costing HSE millions per year.. is their a way to Stop this and teach our kids on how to eat and stay in shape. can we point the finger to the parents ? or is it the fact Consoles are part of our lifes kids today would want to spend hours end in front of a TV and play COD or GTA while the parents are sitting back and watching their kids get Fatter and fatter.till soon the only way to fix the problem is going under the knife which can cost up the 16k.
I feel and have always felt that the Irish Government should open up Judo/Boxing camps in the Summer for fat kids who are 6+ over their BMI

It does seem that we are the only place that doesnt give a Rats AS^ about fat kids. no better way to get their sh*t in gear then have them box their way though the Summer months..

when i was growing up we spend all our days out playing football no worry about fat kids back then but boy have times change..

I'd say it's more fat adults that is costing the HSE money, not kids.

I don't remember Ireland having a prticularly high level of chidhood obesity compared to other European countries, perhaps you could dig up so data for me to mews over? In fairness, it has been a while...

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:29pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'd say it's more fat adults that is costing the HSE money, not kids.

I don't remember Ireland having a prticularly high level of chidhood obesity compared to other European countries, perhaps you could dig up so data for me to mews over? In fairness, it has been a while...

fat kids have a higher rate of getting diabetes in adulthood.

diabetes in pregnancy for the women is nothing to worry about but can have a risk of passing that onto a child, the mother should within a month or so after birth lose the diabetes

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 9:31pm

Cork24 wrote: »

fat kids have a higher rate of getting diabetes in adulthood.

diabetes in pregnancy for the women is nothing to worry about but can have a risk of passing that onto a child, the mother should within a month or so after birth lose the diabetes

I know what the problems caused by obesity are which is why I didn't ask about them. I asked for something to back up the fact that there are higher levels of it in Ireland than elsewhere.

marketty · 13-12-2011 9:36pm

Why boxing/judo? As punishment?!

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:37pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I know what the problems caused by obesity are which is why I didn't ask about them. I asked for something to back up the fact that there are higher levels of it in Ireland than elsewhere.

Why should we need facts to state yes Ireland does not have a high Level or yes Ireland has a high level of obesity in kids then Europe before we can act on the problem..

how much would it cost to have Summer camps in Ireland to get kids in shape and maybe find a sport they enjoy and would keep it up @ home ?

Russia has Judo camps for their fat kids..

Even if we do have a lower rate of obesity then the rest of Europe doesnt mean we should sit back and do nothing with the Rate of Fast Food is on the rise. its only a matter of time before this mini America becomes America with obesity

HazDanz · 13-12-2011 9:37pm

At least we aren't as bad as the people of Tonga yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuI3gOQjjc

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:39pm

marketty wrote: »

Why boxing/judo? As punishment?!

it is one of the best ways to lose Weight, 800 + cals per hour only Spinning class can match this type of cal Burn per hour.

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:41pm

HazDanz wrote: »

At least we aren't as bad as the people of Tonga yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuI3gOQjjc

WTF fanta in bread ?

Dudess · 13-12-2011 9:42pm

Cork24 wrote: »

In England Schools are teaching Kids on how to grow their own veggies here how to get a 18 year old to buy drink for you.

Any childhood obesity problem is more likely to be similar in the two countries.

Frank Black · 13-12-2011 9:44pm

WIZE wrote: »

I'm 32 and when I was young we played football 5 hrs a day but there was still fat kids everywhere

They're called goalkeepers.

Teyla Emmagan · 13-12-2011 9:50pm

There is this kid that gets the bus with me sometimes, her Mam is dropping her off to school (with some other random girl). Anyway, the kid's Mam is about 5 foot tall and 5 foot round, with really long hair. The kid is about 3.5 foot tall and the same girth (with really long hair). They both get off the bus and waddle down the street. The random normal sized kid skips happily along beside them. I feel so sorry for that poor kid. She's about 9 years old. She is a little 'mini me', in the worst possible way. Maybe the Mother and daugher have some genetical propensity to obesity, but I doubt it. That little girl's arms and legs are like hams. She looks like she's never run in her life. Her whole future is obesity, health problems and people laughing at her.

Depresses me everytime I see her.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 9:50pm

Cork24 wrote: »

Why should we need facts to state yes Ireland does not have a high Level or yes Ireland has a high level of obesity in kids then Europe before we can act on the problem..

Why should we need facts...?? Well, papart from the obvious, so that we don't reat hysteerically to a problem that may not exist and go posting in interent forums trying to whip up a frenzy for one.

how much would it cost to have Summer camps in Ireland to get kids in shape and maybe find a sport they enjoy and would keep it up @ home ?

Russia has Judo camps for their fat kids..

As far as I know, Ireland does. And theer are a lot of boxing clubs as well.

Even if we do have a lower rate of obesity then the rest of Europe doesnt mean we should sit back and do nothing with the Rate of Fast Food is on the rise. its only a matter of time before this mini America becomes America with obesity

That's a bit different from your opening post. However, you are still stating your opinion as if it were fact: is the rate of fast food on the rise?

Logical Fallacy · 13-12-2011 9:51pm

Back in the day we spent all our youth running from randy Priests, now that everyone has such a close eye on the Priests the kids don't need to run as much.

Hence the little fatties rolling about the place.

Naos · 13-12-2011 9:52pm

RachaelVO wrote: »

You can have a child eat 3-4 meals a day but it's not how much they're eating, it's WHAT they're eating.

Not really. Simple case of calores in V calories out. I could eat 3 McDonalds cheeseburgers(450kcal a piece) per day and lose weight.

Child education is all well and good, but it's going to be very difficult for an overweight child to try and convince his parents to buy healthy food / parents control the amount of food on the kids plate if the parents are not educated / don't give a ****.

ShadowHearth · 13-12-2011 9:52pm

Cork24 wrote: »

After Watching Super Size Kids you have to Wonder wtf..

health in fat people is costing HSE millions per year.. is their a way to Stop this and teach our kids on how to eat and stay in shape. can we point the finger to the parents ? or is it the fact Consoles are part of our lifes kids today would want to spend hours end in front of a TV and play COD or GTA while the parents are sitting back and watching their kids get Fatter and fatter.till soon the only way to fix the problem is going under the knife which can cost up the 16k.
I feel and have always felt that the Irish Government should open up Judo/Boxing camps in the Summer for fat kids who are 6+ over their BMI

It does seem that we are the only place that doesnt give a Rats AS^ about fat kids. no better way to get their sh*t in gear then have them box their way though the Summer months..

when i was growing up we spend all our days out playing football no worry about fat kids back then but boy have times change..

Thanks god I am pc gamer...

And nope, I wasn't made for speed, I was made for comfort.

Logical Fallacy · 13-12-2011 9:54pm

Naos wrote: »

Not really. Simple case of calores in V calories out. I could eat 3 McDonalds cheeseburgers(450kcal a piece) per day and lose weight.

Child education is all well and good, but it's going to be very difficult for an overweight child to try and convince his parents to buy healthy food / parents control the amount of food on the kids plate if the parents are not educated / don't give a ****.

Bingo, kids don't control what they eat, their parents do.

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:55pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why should we need facts...?? Well, papart from the obvious, so that we don't reat hysteerically to a problem that may not exist and go posting in interent forums trying to whip up a frenzy for one.

As far as I know, Ireland does. And theer are a lot of boxing clubs as well.

That's a bit different from your opening post. However, you are still stating your opinion as if it were fact: is the rate of fast food on the rise?

Yes Fast food is on the rise... i Work in a Food Chain Suppler and we are after seeing a 45% profit in fast food. we have seen a 60% rise in profit in Chinese food. which can be very very unhealthy for you as everything is mostly fried..

the problem of kids getting fatter is a real risk.

Almost one in five adults in Ireland is now obese, while more than 300,000 children are overweight or obese, a major new report has found.
According to the Report of the National Taskforce on Obesity, which was presented to government today, the prevalence of overweight and obesity has increased 'with alarming speed' over the last 20 years. Obesity is now a major public health problem throughout Europe, including here in Ireland, where 39% of adults are overweight and 18% are obese.
It is now estimated that obesity kills around 2,000 Irish people prematurely every year.

its one thing saying that Yes theirs Judo MMA boxing clubs all over Ireland but making it Law for 6+ BMI kids to go to Camp for 4months of the Summer is another thing which will force them to lose and join in..

i would you think i fat kid would feel going to a boxing club and all he see is healthy kids boxing ?? where by having them at a Summer camp he is around people like him were he can enjoy himself/herself without the fear of being laughed at

LETHAL LADY · 13-12-2011 9:56pm

In my sons class in school there is one fat girl, her mam is obese, as is her grandmother and aunty. In the whole school, of about 500 kids, there is really not that many fat kids that I have seen, quite the opposite in fact. The school does have a healthy eating policy, but I seriously doubt that that alone would make a big difference to the kids weight.
Anyway there is a good few years of tough budgets ahead, sure wont we all be much slimmer by the end of them.

Dudess · 13-12-2011 9:59pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Back in the day we spent all our youth running from randy Priests, now that everyone has such a close eye on the Priests the kids don't need to run as much.

Hence the little fatties rolling about the place.

The flipside is there are lots of paedos now - on every corner they are, so the kids gotta be driven everywhere. There were no paedos til the 90s. :cool:

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 9:59pm

Naos wrote: »

Not really. Simple case of calores in V calories out. I could eat 3 McDonalds cheeseburgers(450kcal a piece) per day and lose weight.

Child education is all well and good, but it's going to be very difficult for an overweight child to try and convince his parents to buy healthy food / parents control the amount of food on the kids plate if the parents are not educated / don't give a ****.

Yes but how much are your burning, to lose weight you need to be burning more then what you take in.. so yes if you are working out alot it doesnt really matter what you eat as a means of energy. but it would help if you eat green then sh(t you get in Dirty Ds

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 10:02pm

Cork24 wrote: »

Yes Fast food is on the rise... i Work in a Food Chain Suppler and we are after seeing a 45% profit in fast food. we have seen a 60% rise in profit in Chinese food. which can be very very unhealthy for you as everything is mostly fried..

How do you know people are buying it and feeding it to kids? Chinese food, if cooked well, can be quiet nutritious.

the problem of kids getting fatter is a real risk.

It could be. But then so is driving while drunk - doesn't mean that people are actually doing it.

Almost one in five adults in Ireland is now obese, while more than 300,000 children are overweight or obese, a major new report has found.
According to the Report of the National Taskforce on Obesity, which was presented to government today, the prevalence of overweight and obesity has increased 'with alarming speed' over the last 20 years. Obesity is now a major public health problem throughout Europe, including here in Ireland, where 39% of adults are overweight and 18% are obese.
It is now estimated that obesity kills around 2,000 Irish people prematurely every year.

its one thing saying that Yes theirs Judo MMA boxing clubs all over Ireland but making it Law for 6+ BMI kids to go to Camp for 4months of the Summer is another thing which will force them to lose and join in..

i would you think i fat kid would feel going to a boxing club and all he see is healthy kids boxing ?? where by having them at a Summer camp he is around people like him were he can enjoy himself/herself without the fear of being laughed at

Soucre for the above study, please. We can't debate it if only one of us has read it.

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 10:06pm

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=7503

most a lot of Parents are working and dont have the time to cook meals for their kids so they feel that fast food would be to easy then cooking a good meal. Chinese food i dont cook it my self but i get it as take away always get boiled rice.. with Chicken Curry..

Naos · 13-12-2011 10:10pm

Cork24 wrote: »

Yes but how much are your burning, to lose weight you need to be burning more then what you take in..

I understand that, hence the calories in V calories aspect in my post

so yes if you are working out alot it doesnt really matter what you eat as a means of energy. but it would help if you eat green then sh(t you get in Dirty Ds

Greens help in terms of health yes, but fat kids are simply overeating regardless of what it is they're eating, so education on portion size is pretty high up on the importance level for losing weight.

laoch na mona · 13-12-2011 10:17pm

if a child is obese the parents should get charged with child abuse

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 10:19pm

Cork24 wrote: »

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=7503

most a lot of Parents are working and dont have the time to cook meals for their kids so they feel that fast food would be to easy then cooking a good meal. Chinese food i dont cook it my self but i get it as take away always get boiled rice.. with Chicken Curry..

That article is from 2005.

Accordign to the EASO (European Association for the study of Obesity) , we're somewhere in the middle when the figures were last looked at in 2002. The actual document is dated 2010, but there appears to be no more recent data and is they don't have it, I don't think it exists.
http://www.easo.org/documents/ChildEU27September2010.pdf

No one is saying that children should not be brought up with good dietry and exercise habits, but your claim that Irish kids are particualry at risk is groundless.

Cork24 · 13-12-2011 10:41pm

So your saying we should just do nothing.. and lets see how it plays out ?

real stig · 13-12-2011 10:44pm

There are mentions of paedos in this thread but the fat kids would be safe enough, sure they'd be easy to catch but who wants to fiddle with a fatty?!

conor.hogan.2 · 13-12-2011 10:45pm

I am sick of people blaming games or tv or the internet for people being obese.

We all did these things, some people are just prone to becoming fat and some are just lazy and have bad parents.

The source of the problem is not external. Also calories are getting too much attention recently, moderation is where it is you do not need to watch calories just use common sense.

heate · 13-12-2011 10:54pm

I've never seen a person who eats and drinks in moderation without starving themselves or over indulging becoming heavily overweight.
You'd think the lack of cash in Ireland would mean smaller waistlines but people seem to be comfort eating and eating junk instead of cooking it's not that difficult perhaps he hse should offer cooking courses. And that fat tax wouldn't be a bad idea - I for one don't savage myself on rubbish I do occasionally and would be happy to pay for the privilege

Ouchette · 13-12-2011 11:23pm

Cork24 wrote: »

it is one of the best ways to lose Weight, 800 + cals per hour only Spinning class can match this type of cal Burn per hour.

I don't believe that for a second. Got a source? And would 800+ cals be for a class or an hour of solid sparring, because they're very different.

Here's the first table I found with a list of cals per exercise type. At a glance, looks like swimming, running, diving, skiing, cycling and rowing can all beat it.
http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist.htm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-12-2011 11:29pm

Cork24 wrote: »

So your saying we should just do nothing.. and lets see how it plays out ?

I never said that, I said that we are nowhere near as bad as you portray us to be and that research shows that.

Stained Class · 13-12-2011 11:36pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

if a child is obese the parents should get charged with child abuse

Pretty extreme statement Dude.

I'm a parent myself & despite myself & OH working full time, we try to get our kids to eat healthily & involve them in sport insofar as we can.

It's a difficult balancing act & we don't always succeed.

That said, I basically agree with your statement though.

FAT CAMP in Ireland for Fat Kids

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