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Section_4

Section_4 wrote: »

Imagine what a patrol car would be like at 400k.......

Most of those 07 Mondeos would be fine and preferred to the Avensis that replaced them.

Section_4

foreign wrote: »

Most of those 07 Mondeos would be fine and preferred to the Avensis that replaced them.

I'm not sure how fine they'd be after 400k but still definatly preferable to the Toyotas!

POGAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Most of those 07 Mondeos would be fine and preferred to the Avensis that replaced them.

You really hate your avenais foreign

POGAN

EireGun wrote: »

This is that ERU Audi Q7... Attachment not found.

That's cork city BMW X5

POGAN

POGAN wrote: »

You really hate your avenais foreign

Fine for tipping around in. Horrible when responding.

Mister Jingles

foreign wrote: »

Fine for tipping around in. Horrible when responding.

The cars in general or the fact that there diesel ?

goldie fish

Mister Jingles wrote: »

The cars in general or the fact that there diesel ?

In my opinion, the Avensis. Drives like you are on stilts. No road feel. A bus.

Mister Jingles

Mister Jingles wrote: »

The cars in general or the fact that there diesel ?

Handling. Not as sturdy as the old Mondeo at cornering.

Old diesel

Those Audi A6s on the car transporter that were posted really look the business.

Would they actually be up to the job though in terms of long term durability.

Have to be a massive improvement on a 2.0 diesel Avensis though as traffic cars surely (assuming you actually spec them up properly - 3.0 tdi with Quattro - proper car on paper for stuff like traffic).

EireGun

Old diesel wrote: »

Those Audi A6s on the car transporter that were posted really look the business.

Would they actually be up to the job though in terms of long term durability.

Have to be a massive improvement on a 2.0 diesel Avensis though as traffic cars surely (assuming you actually spec them up properly - 3.0 tdi with Quattro - proper car on paper for stuff like traffic).

I don't think the Audis would be replacing Mondeo/Focus/Avensis anytime soon due to cost, but they could be up to the job of succeeding the Volvo XC70 the Garda RSU are using. Many of the British police traffic and armed units have been using the Audi A4 and A6 for a number of years now, and most of them still look to be in good shape. The BMW 3 and 5 Series have also kept well, particularly the London Met. old 5 series, they had some of them for a decade. The Audi A6 the PSNI ARV units are using seem to be doing the business for them, they are very quick and the handling is supposedly very good. Fuel consumption diesel for Audis has never been a problem in my experience, quality German-made Volkswagen engines.

Old diesel

EireGun wrote: »

I don't think the Audis would be replacing Mondeo/Focus/Avensis anytime soon due to cost, but they could be up to the job of succeeding the Volvo XC70 the Garda RSU are using. Many of the British police traffic and armed units have been using the Audi A4 and A6 for a number of years now, and most of them still look to be in good shape. The BMW 3 and 5 Series have also kept well, particularly the London Met. old 5 series, they had some of them for a decade. The Audi A6 the PSNI ARV units are using seem to be doing the business for them, they are very quick and the handling is supposedly very good. Fuel consumption diesel for Audis has never been a problem in my experience, quality German-made Volkswagen engines.

Oh certainly I can see that in theory cost means you won't be seeing Audis replacing Focuses and Mondeos for the normal garda work any day soon.

However for traffic corps work - what is the actual extra cost of a BMW 530d touring or an Audi A6 Avant Quattro 3.0 tdi compared to a 2.0 140 ps Mondeo Estate.

Ive heard on another forum that im on - a Uk forum - that the Uk police do extremely good deals on 530ds and the like.

I can't say for certain what that translates into in terms of actual cost per car or how that would compare to what the Gardaí would pay for Mondeo 2 litre diesels.

But I doubt somehow that the gardai are getting Mondeos for the price I saw mentioned for a police 530ds - have visions of "oh this is Ireland - so the cars thus cost more :rolleyes: even though the states funding it so the actual cost to the state should be exclusive of VRT and such nonsense.

I stress the word "should" - I imagine that there are people in high office in Ireland who think that having the state charge another arm of the state VRT actually makes sense :rolleyes:.

Afterall - if the Garda Siochana pays the state VRT - that means every car costs more - but the state doesn't get any benefit - it would be better if you deducted VRT - each car then costs the Gardaí less - but the state doesn't lose out because the state has to allocate less money for Garda cars.

But certainly - if I were the person buying garda cars for the state - id be pushing hard to see what the best deal Audi and BMW could do for the sale of police cars - and then - make the judgement call and see how that compared to the cost of a Mondeo 2 litre diesel.

Section_4

Old diesel wrote: »

Oh certainly I can see that in theory cost means you won't be seeing Audis replacing Focuses and Mondeos for the normal garda work any day soon.

However for traffic corps work - what is the actual extra cost of a BMW 530d touring or an Audi A6 Avant Quattro 3.0 tdi compared to a 2.0 140 ps Mondeo Estate.

Ive heard on another forum that im on - a Uk forum - that the Uk police do extremely good deals on 530ds and the like.

I can't say for certain what that translates into in terms of actual cost per car or how that would compare to what the Gardaí would pay for Mondeo 2 litre diesels.

But I doubt somehow that the gardai are getting Mondeos for the price I saw mentioned for a police 530ds - have visions of "oh this is Ireland - so the cars thus cost more :rolleyes: even though the states funding it so the actual cost to the state should be exclusive of VRT and such nonsense.

I stress the word "should" - I imagine that there are people in high office in Ireland who think that having the state charge another arm of the state VRT actually makes sense :rolleyes:.

Afterall - if the Garda Siochana pays the state VRT - that means every car costs more - but the state doesn't get any benefit - it would be better if you deducted VRT - each car then costs the Gardaí less - but the state doesn't lose out because the state has to allocate less money for Garda cars.

But certainly - if I were the person buying garda cars for the state - id be pushing hard to see what the best deal Audi and BMW could do for the sale of police cars - and then - make the judgement call and see how that compared to the cost of a Mondeo 2 litre diesel.

2.0 litre diesel Mondeos?!

Try bog standard 1.6 litre diesel Focus and Connects in white with some flashy lights and nice decals.

Some hope of getting a 2.0 litre diesel Mondeo let alone a police spec BMW or Audi!

3fullback

Is it true that each district hq must have a 1.8 litre petrol or higher ?

Leo Demidov

Regarding GPO protest video, not really a vehicle, but yes I would.

kub

3fullback wrote: »

Is it true that each district hq must have a 1.8 litre petrol or higher ?

Absolutely that is why the Garda prison trucks are popping up in districts all over the country.

Old diesel

Section_4 wrote: »

2.0 litre diesel Mondeos?!

Try bog standard 1.6 litre diesel Focus and Connects in white with some flashy lights and nice decals.

Some hope of getting a 2.0 litre diesel Mondeo let alone a police spec BMW or Audi!

I was referring to 2.0 Mondeo diesels for traffic rather then the normal regular gardai.

Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone decided to use a 1.6 diesel for traffic over here.

Seen a Focus Estate pictured somewhere which had traffic corps marked on it. Doubt somehow that twas the 1.6 Ecoboost 180 ps petrol (probably not available in Ireland anyhow - but is in the UK).

My point - albeit not made very well - is that sadly I can imagine all too clearly given the way things are often done in Ireland - a situation where Ireland pays dear for 1.6 diesels - while the Uk drives a hard bargin and gets nice BMWs with the proper spec for the job - on the cheap.

UK police are under massive budgetry pressures as well - so I doubt all the BMW 530ds and Audis are down to simply having a better budget.

D Trent

Old diesel wrote: »

I was referring to 2.0 Mondeo diesels for traffic rather then the normal regular gardai.

Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone decided to use a 1.6 diesel for traffic over here.

Seen a Focus Estate pictured somewhere which had traffic corps marked on it.

1.6L diesel

Mister Jingles

They do look well though, there's no denying that, its just lacking under the bonnet.

Old diesel

D Trent wrote: »

1.6L diesel

"1.6 diesel" - Says it all really - would love to see what the real saving (or lack of) compared to a proper traffic police car.

Think it all sums up how official Ireland sees the day to day business of policing - ie lets do the thing all wrong .

So many issues to be dealt with - and I know the issue of whether sir opts for a 2.0 diesel Mondeo (or 1.6 diesel Focus :eek:) for traffic over a 530d or 3.0 TDI A6 Quattro - is rather a small minor detail compared to lots of other issues in Ireland and indeed the Gardaí.

Does sum up the attitude in official Ireland towards doing things right - but that's another topic for another day, another forum

Zambia

wexfjord wrote: »

Regarding GPO protest video, not really a vehicle, but yes I would.

You out of my head...

D Trent

That guard showed remarkable level - headedness dealing with that piece of scum.
If that was me I probably would have radioed for back up from Ronanstown's finest and batter seven shades of ****e out of him back at the station

carzony

D Trent wrote: »

That guard showed remarkable level - headedness dealing with that piece of scum.
If that was me I probably would have radioed for back up from Ronanstown's finest and batter seven shades of ****e out of him back at the station

I'd imagine back up arrived shortly after. You could see her at her radio as she walked away.

tosspot15

yeah "not arrested". I'm sure thats why the knobhead filming it stopped before backup arrived and they sorted him out.

Capri

Old diesel wrote: »

"1.6 diesel" - Says it all really - would love to see what the real saving (or lack of) compared to a proper traffic police car.

Think it all sums up how official Ireland sees the day to day business of policing - ie lets do the thing all wrong .

So many issues to be dealt with - and I know the issue of whether sir opts for a 2.0 diesel Mondeo (or 1.6 diesel Focus :eek:) for traffic over a 530d or 3.0 TDI A6 Quattro - is rather a small minor detail compared to lots of other issues in Ireland and indeed the Gardaí.

Does sum up the attitude in official Ireland towards doing things right - but that's another topic for another day, another forum

Given the size of the country etc and the old saying that 'Police radio waves travel quicker than any police car' , maybe the 'daysel' is a better overall choice when the amount of actual chases are taken into account.
In the UK / EU distances are greater so a getaway car doing 140mph would soon lose a 112mph 'daysel'

1.6 TDCi 93 bhp Focus Estate 5d 0-60 12.3 secs 112 mph 67 mpg

2.0 TDCi (163bhp) Focus Estate5d 0-60 8.5 secs 135 mph 56 mpg

2.0T ST Estate 5d 0-60 6.3 secs 154 mph 39 mpg

Prius - 1.8 134 bhp 0-60 10.1 secs 112 mph 72mpg :eek:


So.... 8,000 miles/mth x 67mpg = 120gals x39mpg = 205gal

The beancounters are only interested in the 85gal/mth/veh-i-cle saving, their remit doesn't cover crime figures

Add into the mix also the driving standards of some members who shouldn't even be given the keys to an old Transit :rolleyes:

Section_4

Capri wrote: »

Given the size of the country etc and the old saying that 'Police radio waves travel quicker than any police car' , maybe the 'daysel' is a better overall choice when the amount of actual chases are taken into account.
In the UK / EU distances are greater so a getaway car doing 140mph would soon lose a 112mph 'daysel'

1.6 TDCi 93 bhp Focus Estate 5d 0-60 12.3 secs 112 mph 67 mpg

2.0 TDCi (163bhp) Focus Estate5d 0-60 8.5 secs 135 mph 56 mpg

2.0T ST Estate 5d 0-60 6.3 secs 154 mph 39 mpg

Prius - 1.8 134 bhp 0-60 10.1 secs 112 mph 72mpg :eek:


So.... 8,000 miles/mth x 67mpg = 120gals x39mpg = 205gal

The beancounters are only interested in the 85gal/mth/veh-i-cle saving, their remit doesn't cover crime figures

Add into the mix also the driving standards of some members who shouldn't even be given the keys to an old Transit :rolleyes:

A high top speed isn't usually required in most urban and suburban stations (though it is useful). However the ability to accelerate at pace in stop/start and conjested road ways is required to enable safe and quick response times. Sadly the new 1.6 Focus is a let down on both fronts, it is ideal for high visibility patrolling, transport within a district and the like.

The sub par driving standards is a legacy problem, indicative of an under resourced police force which was never provided with an adequate training and development budget.

Capri

This year's Police Vehicle Evaluation conducted by the Michigan State Police at Grattan Raceway

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131003/CARNEWS/131009923


And the 'good ol days' :rolleyes:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130612/CARNEWS01/130619936

goldie fish

That's a pretty pointless test. Unless you intend carrying out all your chases around roundabouts.

Capri

goldie fish wrote: »

That's a pretty pointless test. Unless you intend carrying out all your chases around roundabouts.

Wouldn't agree, I'd say very few Irish chases are on the M50 / M1 , the majority are on twisty backroads in the dead of night ??

goldie fish

Capri wrote: »

Wouldn't agree, I'd say very few Irish chases are on the M50 / M1 , the majority are on twisty backroads in the dead of night ??

You say you wouldn't agree, but it sounds like you are agreeing.

Capri

Unless you intend carrying out all your chases around roundabouts

goldie fish wrote: »

You say you wouldn't agree, but it sounds like you are agreeing.

The Michigan State police tests seem to be one of the standards that US forces use. That test track certainly looks like a lot of Irish country roads

http://www.policemag.com/channel/vehicles/articles/2011/11/making-a-tough-decision.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ_CTA4jp6E