Irish descended from Turks?

dilbert2

This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/

The majority of Irish men are descended from farmers who came to the country 6,000 years ago, not from an older line of hunter-gatherers as previously believed, a study has found.

Researchers at Britain’s University of Leicester have discovered that 85% of Irish males are descendants of farmers who migrated to the country from Turkey and surrounding Mediterranean areas, bringing agriculture with them.

mackg

dilbert2 wrote: »

This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/

Alert the government, they can give us all grants to open kebab shops!

deco nate

em,no we are not..
no way.shape or....form..or.ever...
oh,maybe on boards we are....Mmm:o
the only link can be..we like beers an
afterwards.a kebab!
am i wrong?1?

chucken1

[QUOTE=dilbert2;75938984]This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/[/QUOTE]


Yes it may be an intersesting topic.

Not in after hours??

Chuck Stone

I'd murder a kebab,

Immaculate Pasta

I'm delighted to hear news that I'm distantly Turkish :cool:

DonalN

Is this why we have turkey at Christmas ?

Saila

we are from the basque region of spain/france so unless they moved it since then

bnt

Saila wrote: »

we are from the basque region of spain/france so unless they moved it since then

So Spain can't be an intermediate stop? Turkey -> Spain -> Ireland?

But what's the point? We all come from Africa, if you look back far enough. Everywhere else was just a stop on the way here.

Ellis Dee

Ultimately we are all descended from primeval slime. Fortunately, only some of us still behave like that.;););)

Siuin

it's a beautiful thing to see middle aged Irish women returning to their roots... http://www.veoh.com/watch/v9359934cq4BHPrt

Doc Ruby

dilbert2 wrote: »

This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/

The Spain and Portiugal thing was also proven wrong as it turns out. As for this latest "research" from the UK, where else naturally,

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Men with Gaelic surnames coming from the west of Ireland are descendants of the oldest inhabitants of Europe. In a recent study, scientists at Trinity College, Dublin, created a new genetic map of the people of Ireland. By comparing this map to European genetic maps they have shown that the Irish are one of the last remnants of the pre-Neolithic hunters and gatherers who were living throughout Europe over 10,000 years ago, before the invention of agriculture. The Irish really ARE different. [/FONT]

and of course

These very early dates prove that the practice of constructing megalithic monuments in Ireland began on the west coast. This culture thrived over the next few thousand years, with the monuments growing in complexity and reaching a peak with the awe inspiring monuments of the Boyne Valley from 3500 BC. Furthermore, these early dates prove that the megalithic culture of Ireland is the oldest in Europe, and so it should not be assumed that the culture was brought to Ireland from Britain or the European mainland, on the contrary, these findings would seem to suggest that the megalithic culture was developed in Ireland and that the practice was carried out from Ireland onto the continent. Not only is this theory supported by the radiocarbon dates being produced by archaeologists, but stepping outside the field of archaeology, a study of the evoloution of archaeoastronomy and astrotheology confirm this.

I think the chimps at the University of Leicester better get back to their million typewriters if they want to hang on to that research grant!

Sonics2k

Wouldn't really surprise me honestly.

Irish people have blood lines tracing back across Europe and Scandinavia, and it's not exactly a hidden fact that Ireland had major trade routes with Turkey, and other parts of the Middle-East and North Africa.

tallaghtmick

Turkey wasnt always islamic so 6000 years ago they would be as white as Michael jackson after a bleach bath.

SharpshooterTom

I hate these threads about the 'exact origins' of Irish people. One day it's from the Basque region and the next its meant to be from Turkey.

At the end of the day we all came from Africa, like the rest of friggin humanity. We're all related and we are all one, remember that. Where we were 6000 years ago, 10000 years ago etc is irrelevant because all genetics lead to Africa anyway.

headmaster

Somebody tell Jo Duffy that those people buying apartmrnts in Kusadasi are just goin home

kazul

Riverdance with guns ;-)

3ndahalfof6

Africa

kazul

kazul wrote: »

Riverdance with guns ;-)

Was I the only one hoping that a bird would drop out of the sky and drop on one of their heads!

headmaster

Yes, you were.

stimpson

Gnobe wrote: »

At the end of the day we all came from Africa

I don't. I come from Dublin.

Dionysus

dilbert2 wrote: »

This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/

Next people will be saying mad things like farming originated in the middle east and was brought to Ireland from there, giving its name to an entire age: neolithic Ireland.

Celly Smunt

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Turkey wasnt always islamic so 6000 years ago they would be as white as Michael jackson after a bleach bath.

turning muslim gives you dark skin?,surely middle eastern migration would be a bigger factor

Doc Ruby

Dionysus wrote: »

Next people will be saying mad things like farming originated in the middle east and was brought to Ireland from there, giving its name to an entire age: neolithic Ireland.

Err...

The Céide Fields are the oldest known field systems in the world, over five and a half millennia old.

Yes yes I know...

Dionysus

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Err...

Yes yes I know...

Seriously, are you denying that farming originated in the middle east and was brought to Ireland, thus beginning the neolithic period?

Doc Ruby

Dionysus wrote: »

Seriously, are you denying that farming originated in the middle east and was brought to Ireland, thus beginning the neolithic period?

Not at all. It is pretty nice having the oldest developed field systems on earth though, you must agree.

So does that mean it's now our business why we can't go back to Constantinople?

charlemont

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Turkey wasnt always islamic so 6000 years ago they would be as white as Michael jackson after a bleach bath.

True the Turks only migrated there from central Asia, Most ancient ruins etc there would be Greek. I was only discussing with my son yesterday how the word Gypsy is supposedly to do with Egypt/Egyptians and that got me thinking about the show on RTÉ to do with the Travellers and how the DNA showed that they spent few thousand years in Middle East which then got me thinking about the Exodus from Egypt.

Bodhidharma

So, wait, does that mean we're all "non nationals"?

We took er jerbs!!!!!

Kevin Duffy

You can also find a theory that we are one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. I wish they'd make up their minds, it's starting to affect my sense of identity, I don't know which theory about where the Irish came from to not give a **** about.

wolf moon

Sure everyone knows that the Turkish are Irish...

pragmatic1

charlemont wrote: »

True the Turks only migrated there from central Asia, Most ancient ruins etc there would be Greek. I was only discussing with my son yesterday how the word Gypsy is supposedly to do with Egypt/Egyptians and that got me thinking about the show on RTÉ to do with the Travellers and how the DNA showed that they spent few thousand years in Middle East which then got me thinking about the Exodus from Egypt.

Travellers spent zero time in the middle east. They're 100% Irish. Romany people originate from India though.

The answer is simple, some came from Scandinavia, Basque region, Morocco, France, England, Scotland, Spain & central Europe, and the rest from elsewhere.

Over time they all interbred and today we have the current pure bred Mongrel Irish.

Kevin Duffy

You can also find a theory that we are one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. I wish they'd make up their minds, it's starting to affect my sense of identity, I don't know which theory about where the Irish came from to not give a **** about.

Yahew

dilbert2 wrote: »

This article is a bit old, but would make for an interesting discussion. It would appear that we are closer to the Turkish people than to Central Europeans.

http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2010/02/02/turkish-farmers-%E2%80%98fathered-the-irish%E2%80%99/

The Turks weren't in Turkey then. From wiki:

The Turkic languages spread from its homeland over much of Central Asia and the Eurasian steppe during the Turkic migrations of the 6th to 11th centuries.[83]
The Turkic migration reached the territory of what is now Turkey, by the 11th century. The Turkomen, Oghuz Turks who had been converted to Islam, were the main component of Turkic migration into

The present division of skin colour was not always so - the Galatians were described as red haired in the bible.

Deleted User wrote: »

The answer is simple, some came from Scandinavia, Basque region, Morocco, France, England, Scotland, Spain & central Europe, and the rest from elsewhere.

Over time they all interbred and today we have the current pure bred Mongrel Irish.

Ireland being an Island, has had plenty of periods of little or no migration. There is little evidence of Viking blood, but there is Norman and French.

The whole "we are all mongrels" ideology, which is hardly something that anybody in the modern age has come up with on their own ( it's exactly the philosophy that benefits modern globalised capitalism), is largely cant. It would deny the existence of all ethnic groups, and no-one would have rights or sovereign rights in any country. Yes, we once all came from Africa, but ethnic groups evolved - culturally, and to a certain extent genetically - since then. So we are not all africans, now, in culture.

Sir Gallagher

Oh Africa brave Africa.

John Doe1

They could have brought the weather with them, twats:p

Ellis Dee

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Turkey wasnt always islamic so 6000 years ago they would be as white as Michael jackson after a bleach bath.

Gee, so adopting a religion changes people's skin colour? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Why haven't we Irish started to look like Palestinians, Lebanese and Israelis since we adopted Christianity, which began in their part of the world?:D

the keen edge

Deleted User wrote: »

The answer is simple, some came from Scandinavia, Basque region, Morocco, France, England, Scotland, Spain & central Europe, and the rest from elsewhere.

Over time they all interbred and today we have the current pure bred Mongrel Irish.

This is how it is IMO.

Take for example the surnames of your 8 great grandparents, going to this minimal degree of investigation, each of these surnames would represent an eighth of a person ancestry.

St.Spodo

Perhaps the original Irish from thousands of years ago had Turkish origin, if you insist. That said, we've surely got much more in common genetically with the English, the Scottish, the Normans and the Vikings in total than the Turks.

Yahew

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Gee, so adopting a religion changes people's skin colour? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Why haven't we Irish started to look like Palestinians, Lebanese and Israelis since we adopted Christianity, which began in their part of the world?:D

his general idea, that the people there were historically lighter skinned is possibly correct. Not that the "Turkish" origin of Irish people has been proven.

What is certain is what is now Turkey wasn't Turkish then, in fact it wasn't Turkish during the Roman Empire.

dj jarvis

Saila wrote: »

we are from the basque region of spain/france so unless they moved it since then

yea i remember reading the very same fact about the Irish and the origins of us genetically
it also stated north Spain / south France as our nearest genetic match

mind you we look neither Spanish or Turkish - more from the polar regions

Doc Ruby

dj jarvis wrote: »

yea i remember reading the very same fact about the Irish and the origins of us genetically
it also stated north Spain / south France as our nearest genetic match

mind you we look neither Spanish or Turkish - more from the polar regions

There's an interesting article on Irish origins here.

Batsy

The English are the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons, one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

DublinWriter

There are arguments that we're originally descended from nomadic Berber tribes of North Africa 7,000+ years ago. There was a very good RTE documentary on this in the mid 90's - my brain fails me now.

Certainly, the one and only time I went to Morocco I noticed some freaky similarities. Locals pepper their phrases with "God Willing" and "God is Good" the same way a lot of older Irish still use "Please God" and "Thanks be to God".

I remember waking up one night after a feed of drink hearing a local wandering Moroccan street band wander by the hotel window and for a second I swore it was a Ceilidh band, the time scale, phrasing and the use of minor scale was exactly the same.

the keen edge

Batsy wrote: »

The English are the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons, one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

What, everyone who is English?.

tallaghtmick

pmcmahon wrote: »

turning muslim gives you dark skin?,surely middle eastern migration would be a bigger factor

And I wonder where the islamic religion came from:rolleyes:

tallaghtmick

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Gee, so adopting a religion changes people's skin colour? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Why haven't we Irish started to look like Palestinians, Lebanese and Israelis since we adopted Christianity, which began in their part of the world?:D

Again with the above statement,the push of islam was the reason turks are now darker,after invasions and settlements hence why turks can vary in colour,fook sake.

Mike 1972

Among some of the more delusional Turkish nationalists is the widespread belief that just about everybody is a Turk.

While Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (founder of Turkish nationalism and the modern Turkish state) espoused a few relatively progressive ideas in his early years In later years he went somewhat bat$hit crazy (not to mention espousing a few relatively fascistic ideas) and at one point declared to a startled American journalist that all his (the journalists) countrymen were really Turks.