General Star Trek thread

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122738562#Comment_122738562

It’s concerning. Some absolute nonsense shows have gotten Season 2 renewals before the launch that didn’t make sense.

It’s sometimes a sign of quality when they auto-renew like this; but in the streaming world it can also be a sign of someone doubling down on some kind of shenanigans.

Rawr

Spotted this on my feeds.

I was already pretty biased regarding this series, but a poster like this just makes me wonder what is going through the heads of their marketing people. The choice of colours and composition are garish are on their own, along with having little more than Space Hitler looking at us (thus telling the uninitiated practically nothing about this show)

I guess its par for the course to just put the lead on your poster these days and call it a day. Remember when movie advertising used to employ watercolour artists to paint photo realistic actors onto fantastic backgrounds? Effort has long since gone from this.

I have no hope at all for this show, and posters like this just reinforce that feeling. I guess I should be thankful to Paramount on their honesty that they themselves don’t think there’s much to this show beyond Yeoh herself.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739407#Comment_122739407

But you'll watch it anyway, so you can say "I told you so"?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739325#Comment_122739325

It's "concerning" that they're renewing a series in the franchise we're supposed to be fans of? Really?!

If it's good - watch it. And yay, there'll be more to watch. If it's bad - don't watch it. Simple.

Either way, for both shows, we won't know until they're aired. Maybe, just maybe, wait and see, before damning them to hell for making more Star Trek?

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739961#Comment_122739961

I’m not the hate-watching kind, and have written here quite a bit on the Discovery threads over the years how I watched out of hope, and then gave up after Season 3. I have not watched Discovery since, I simply can’t watch a show that I won’t enjoy. Even near the end of DIS Season 3 I was only watching so I could engage in conversation here, and then that in itself wasn’t enough.

My concern regarding Academy is rooted in the potential of good Trek in the future. We’ve had gleems of decent Trek in the form of SNW, Lower Decks and some of the trailing end of Picard. I had hoped that the producers were learning how to produce entertaining Trek shows, which ultimately is what I’m in it for.

It is yet to be seen if Academy will actually resonate with fans or be any good. Renewing for a second season without knowing this for sure is concerning because we could see resources that might have been useful on other Trek projects tied to this show for at least 2 year regardless of how it performs. Quality does not always seem to be a factor that gets a streaming show renewed. If Discovery hadn’t lingered as long as it had, we might have seen that slot be taken up with another show that could possibly had been better.

With the end of Lower Decks we’re pretty much down to potentially Strange New Worlds in terms of enjoyable Trek. If they don’t get better with using the Trek property, we might soon see yet another end to Trek on TV, and I feel that this is needless. Making Trek for the sake of making Trek isn’t good enough I feel, they should be aiming to make good Trek, and with Academy I fear that the ingredients are not really there for a good Trek show, especially if it is essentially a sequel to Discovery.

breezy1985

Academy is going to be a young adult show so it pretty much won't be for anyone of the Bermantrek generation which is what most people mean when they say "Trek fans". If it is like Discovery that's a good thing because Discovery was always a YA show masquerading as something else. At least Academy is up front about it.

I reckon none of us here will like it but it's really not for us so that's okay.

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122740790#Comment_122740790

Is it possible, that we two, you and I, have grown so old, and so inflexible, that we have outlived our usefulness as Star Trek fans?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743346#Comment_122743346

No. Lower Decks is written primarily for fans of our era and Picard was just full on fanwnk for a finish. SNW tries to be a mix of old Trek and Discovery so I would say most shows still have the colder fans very much in mind. Even Discovery was written by Trek obsessives of our generation.

It's just PRO and Academy that are written with a stated age group in mind.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743393#Comment_122743393

And PRO is still very good

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743475#Comment_122743475

That kind of feeds into my belief that good Television can be made for any target group if the will is there to make a quality production. PRO is aimed at kids, and yet they made good Trek with it. I'm a firm believer that targeting younger audiences or specific demos is no excuse for a lack of quality. Kids shows should get as much effort as shows targeted to adults (arguably, more effort should go into a kids show).

I do have a good deal of respect for productions what take shows aimed at younger audiences and put the effort in. It appears that PRO fits into this mould.

Similarly, if an agrument is made that Discovery was aimed as an YA audience and thus not made for old Trekkies like many of us I have to respectfully disagree, highlighting that Discovery's problem was down to the quality of the production, or lack thereof. The target audience doesn't excuse their production failures.

I feel that Academy will also need to be reviewed on that critera. It's aimed at a YA audience, that is fair enough, but aiming at one demo cannot be an excuse for lack of quality if that is what we encounter. Targeting one group is not a Get out of Jail Free card from having to do the work needed make well built characters, stories and stakes. Regardless of who is going to watch, these are universal signs of quality that should always be applied.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743819#Comment_122743819

"if an argument is made that Discovery was aimed as an YA audience and thus not made for old Trekkies like many of us I have to respectfully disagree"

I wasn't saying it was made for a YA audience. It was made as a general Trek show it's just they hired a load of Twilight fanfic writers and CW alumni so it had all the hallmarks of that style of TV.

It does matter who the target audience is because if you were told before hand that Disco was a YA show you wouldn't be shocked by all the crying, self doubt and "you go girl" shte and those of us that kept giving it another chance wouldn't have bothered.

If Academy has all the above I won't judge it a failure because that is what they are trying to achieve. If the plots, script and acting are crap that's another story. Generally the KurtzTrek has been good but I wouldn't hold out hope for the other two.

flazio

Good writing doesn't always exclude age groups. Away from Star Trek, Avatar The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra are well regarded. The Sarah Jane Adventures, a Doctor Who spin off, was also well regarded by traditional fans, while Class was a bit of a flop. Write a good story first, then set the tone.

TheIrishGrover

I said something similar on general Star Wars thread but the Trek universe is big enough to have a large variety of shows and show TYPES for all ages.

I have not watched Prodigy. Nothing against it, just haven't watched it as I saw it was aimed at a younger audience. Actually, I do have something against it. Captain/Admiral Nails-on-blackboard-voice Janeway is in it so nope.

I assume Space Cadets will be in the mould of Discovery so I haven't much interest there either. But I will start watching it with an open mind (Honest).

But yeah, like Star Wars, there is such scope in that universe for shows of all types.

I mean, you could have a pre-school education type of show. I'm not talking about teaching them Klingon or Transporter fundamentals but a sort of Dora The Explorer type thing. Teach them about astronomy and nature. About accepting others that look different etc.

You have Prodigy but you why not an anime or anime-inspired show? Look at Avatar (The REAL Avatar. Airbending, not space cats). Western anime-inspired show with rich writing and fantastic storyline. Have it set on Bajor 1000 years ago.

Why not a cop show set on TNG-period Earth. Every time you saw Earth on TNG or DS9 or Voyager or wherever, it was always squeaky clean and idyllic. Great of you are in Starfleet but what about if you are a cop trying to deal with murder, smuggling, whatever in a world where people can transport anything anywhere? Start of Picard season one (Without the "Cheeky Feckers" though please). Sure, have aliens but just low-level Earth-bound crime. (Use the fantastic Andor as a template)

As I mentioned previously, a Post-Burn series.

Hell, a Only Fools and Horses type sitcom with a mismatched duo of a Ferengi and an android/hologram (….. Maybe not)

A fantasy Game of Thrones style Klingon show set thousands of years ago (Might get tedious)

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122740152#Comment_122740152

"If they don’t get better with using the Trek property, we might soon see yet another end to Trek on TV, and I feel that this is needless." does not gel with "A new Trek show gets a second season? Concerning!"

I mean, we had to wait nearly 20 years from TOS to TNG; and 12 years between ENT and DIS. That's a lot of time with no new Trek on TV. Now, we have three different series in concurrent production, with more SNW on the way and another final season of Lower Decks, in addition to Academy. I don't think we're in any danger of there not being new Trek because Academy potentially bombs. I mean, I don't understand how DIS was allowed go on as long as it has (and I've no idea of the ratings), but the fan reaction I've seen (and agree with) didn't stop SNW or any of the others from being created.

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743346#Comment_122743346

Ah, I thought you'd catch my Undiscovered Country reference there....

AMKC

Just seen this sad news

May she Rest in Peace,

https://trekmovie.com/2024/10/25/star-trek-voyager-co-creator-jeri-taylor-has-passed-away/

corkie

lol :-)

Source

Evade

Took me too long to realise the commander is supposed to be Kira

JayRoc

Is "Horny Bastard Reptile Man" Dukat?

AMKC

I would say it is yes

AMKC

Just because

https://youtu.be/q6RaSz5z8xA?si=CD3qm7OGw5hpJe6T

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771839#Comment_122771839

And he doesnt have a statue.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122777402#Comment_122777402

Disgraceful ain't it lol.

AMKC

Do you know what would be a great Star Trek series? One based on a medical ship or about the Doctors and Nurses in maybe a Galaxy class Starship.

TThe Captain and other crew could still be involved sometimes too just they would not be the main characters of the show it would be the Doctor and his or her nurses and mostly about medical things.

A new show called "Doctor Odsssey" launched recently and while the acting is not the best its a nice easy fun watch.

Imagine this but in space on a Federation Galaxy class ship maybe a few years after the end of the Dominion war so the Doctor could have a story or two to tell about serving during that too.

AMKC

Colm Meaney going to be on The Late Late Show tonight.

AMKC

Not quiet Star Trek but almost just as good and almost as big Stargate yesterday celebrated its 30th Anniversery. Yes thats right it's 30 years since Stargate was released in Cinemas.

It was one of the first Sci-Fi movies I got to see in the Cinema and remember seeing with the family. Others I remember are Independence day, WaterWorld, Starship Troopers, Event Horizon and many more.

eadrom

Scrolling through Memory Alpha and I notice that 12 years passed in-universe between TMP (2273) and TWOK (2285). I'd never considered that before!

I always thought TWOK was a bit of a soft-reboot essentially, before that term had much use, but hadn't thought much about an in-universe explanation for the changes. Just figured it was maybe a couple or a few years later (the movies were released 3 years apart) and the first movie wasn't a mad success, so we got a new look. But if twelve years actually passed by, that's a significant amount of time! Interesting.

I wonder if there's any indication that they thought of this at the time, or is it mostly/entirely retrofitted canon.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122821012#Comment_122821012

Star Trek back then was terrible with "canon" so I'de say no thought was put into the stardate. It's either something they came up with afterwards or someone just said an arbitrary date in the movie.

It's funny watching back and realising that every TOS movie is about them being too old and having to fight against the odds of being "past it"

corkie

RIP Tony Todd (aka Kurn, Zoom)
HeghmeH jaj QaQ 'oH DaHjaj'e'. ~ Today is a good day in order to die.

https://klingon.wiki/En/TodayIsAGoodDayToDie

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122821031#Comment_122821031

Catching the characters up to the actors ages probably had a lot to do with it too. The last episode of TOS is set three years before TMP.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122822166#Comment_122822166

This prompted me to dig into Memory Alpha a bit, and yes, not only was TMP set only 3 years after the last TOS episode, if you count TAS as canon the events of TAS lead right into the same year as Kirk’s promotion, the Enterprise refit and the V’ger attack.

Jesus, I really had the impression that they put at least a couple more years between them, given Kirk’s promotion, but no time was wasted it seems.