Difference between Golf GT TDI and standard TDI

McVitae

Excuse my ignorance but Im wondering is there any real difference between the Mk5 Golf 1.9 GT TDI and the standard Mk5 1.9 TDI, or is there any? I have a Mk5 1.9 GT TDI or at least it has a "GT Sport" badge on the front, and lowered suspension, however unlike most Mk5 GT sports it only has a 5 speed gearbox and 105bhp? BTW the log book says GT without the sport bit

The main reason I ask is for insurance purposes. I could be wrong but I feel when i get my premium, because of the lower suspension and GT badge/grill im getting classed with the other high premium higher spec'd engine GT Sports?

Car is 07 Reg

George Dalton

On the later Mk5s GT sport is just a trim level.

sean1141

Were the mk5 gt tdi not the 2liter 140/170bhp? A mate of mine has a uk imported 1.9 sport but it has a 6speed box

Edit. Whats on the data sticker in the boot?

McVitae

how do i know if I have a "later" or earlier Mk5?

McVitae

My question exactly. should I therefore just be getting insured on a standard 1.9TDI

McVitae

sean1141 wrote: »

Were the mk5 gt tdi not the 2liter 140/170bhp? A mate of mine has a uk imported 1.9 sport but it has a 6speed box

Edit. Whats on the data sticker in the boot?

Do you mean rear badge? Rear badge just says TDI

sean1141

McVitae wrote: »

how do i know if I have a "later" or earlier Mk5?

what year is it? They came out in 04.

What is on the data sticker in the boot?

Edit. Lift the carpet in the boot. There will be a white sticker in there around the spare wheel. This is the factory data sticker. This will tell you what vw made the car as. Insure it as that!

coylemj

George Dalton wrote: »

On the later Mk5s GT sport is just a trim level.

Hogwash!

Golf GTs have twin turbos which makes them far more powerful than the equivalent model with the same c.c. engine which is not a GT.

The basic 1.4 petrol Mk V Golf was 75 bhp but the petrol GTs with the same engine (1,396 c.c) were available with 140 and 170 bhp variations.

The 'Sportline' trim package was merged with the GT in mid-2007, so all GTs became 'GT Sport' but it is far more than a trim spec. and you do need to tell the insurance company that it is a GT.

McVitae

sean1141 wrote: »

what year is it? They came out in 04.

What is on the data sticker in the boot?

Edit. Lift the carpet in the boot. There will be a white sticker in there around the spare wheel. This is the factory data sticker. This will tell you what vw made the car as. Insure it as that!

I assume by data sticker you mean something like this: http://media.photobucket.com/image/data%20sticker%20in%20the%20boot/getradbill/N01-10166.png

I have something like this in my log book and it says 1.9 TDI GT
The car is 07 Reg

McVitae

coylemj wrote: »

Hogwash!

Golf GTs have twin turbos which makes them far more powerful than the equivalent model with the same c.c. engine which is not a GT.

The basic 1.4 petrol Mk V Golf was 75 bhp but the petrol GTs with the same engine (1,396 c.c) were available with 140 and 170 bhp variations.

The 'Sportline' trim package was merged with the GT in mid-2007, so all GTs became 'GT Sport' but it is far more than a trim spec. and you do need to tell the insurance company that it is a GT.

please excuse my ignorance but but when you refer to "power" are you just referring to horsepower? My car is 105bhp which is considerably less than the 140/150bhp of the of the 2.0 GT sports. To put it another way: Hypothetically could there be a 105bhp GT engine with twin turbo and a different 105bhp without twin turbo?

Nissan doctor

coylemj wrote: »

Hogwash!

Golf GTs have twin turbos which makes them far more powerful than the equivalent model with the same c.c. engine which is not a GT.

The basic 1.4 petrol Mk V Golf was 75 bhp but the petrol GTs with the same engine (1,396 c.c) were available with 140 and 170 bhp variations.

The 'Sportline' trim package was merged with the GT in mid-2007, so all GTs became 'GT Sport' but it is far more than a trim spec. and you do need to tell the insurance company that it is a GT.

Someone needs to read the opening post properly methinks...

We are talking about Diesel golfs not petrol ones....and even at that, the petrol GT golf doesn't have twin turbo's, its twin charged...i.e 1 x supercharger and 1 x turbo.

George Dalton

coylemj wrote: »

Hogwash!

Golf GTs have twin turbos which makes them far more powerful than the equivalent model with the same c.c. engine which is not a GT.

The 'Sportline' trim package was merged with the GT in mid-2007, so all GTs became 'GT Sport' but it is far more than a trim spec. and you do need to tell the insurance company that it is a GT.

It is not hogwash. I happen to know what I am talking about.

Early Mk5s came in GT spec in 1.4 petrol twincharged (turbo and supercharged not twin turbo as you suggest) and 2.0 diesel with 170bhp (and just the one turbo)

As well as that there was a rebadging exercise in the UK of 2.0 TDI Sportline models into "GT-TDI" models but that is neither here nor there.

Later Mk5s (from mid 2007 as you say) dropped the Sportline trim level in favour of the GT Sport trim level. These GT Sports were available with all engines, hence it was possible to buy a 1.9 TDI GT Sport with 105bhp or even a 1.4 petrol GT Sport with 80bhp. Now as far as I am concerned this means "GT Sport" in the later Mk5 Golfs was just a trim level, as per my first post in this thread.

Plug

What are the GTD's? I've seena few floating around, I suppose thats the hot hatch diesel. Its got the same trim and alloys as the GTI.

George Dalton

That is the Mk6 Golf, similar trim etc to a GTI just diesel. They are a lovely car IMO.

Plug

George Dalton wrote: »

That is the Mk6 Golf, similar trim etc to a GTI just diesel. They are a lovely car IMO.

I've seen a few mk5's but were they fakes?

George Dalton

There was no Mk5 GTD that I am aware of. The closest thing would have been the GT diesel with the 170bhp TDI engine. This was a proper GT, more than a trim level and not to be confused with the "GT Sport" trim level of the later Mk5s

McVitae

Ive attached the two stickers that I can find in the car. one is in the boot and the other in the log book

George Dalton

OP your car is a GT Sport 1.9 TDI. The insurance company should have all the info from the reg number. They will know it isn't the 2.0 TDI with 170bhp so you shouldn't be paying higher insurance than necessary. The insurance on a GT Sport model is probably slightly more than a base model but that is nothing unusual. It would be the same for the likes of an M Sport BMW vs a standard one for example even though they might both have the same engine.

It is worth paying the extra anyway in my opinion because the GT Sport is a very nicely specced car.

McVitae

George Dalton wrote: »

OP your car is a GT Sport 1.9 TDI. The insurance company should have all the info from the reg number. They will know it isn't the 2.0 TDI with 170bhp so you shouldn't be paying higher insurance than necessary. The insurance on a GT Sport model is probably slightly more than a base model but that is nothing unusual. It would be the same for the likes of an M Sport BMW vs a standard one for example even though they might both have the same engine.

It is worth paying the extra anyway in my opinion because the GT Sport is a very nicely specced car.

Thanks George. on the "nicely specced" part of your comment... based on your previous post though dont I just have a bog standard 1.9 TDI engine and what is making it nicely specced is the is the low trimline, big alloys and a cool looking grill on the front. ok I know the lowered suspension gives me better road hold but if I was to say drag race a standard 1.9 TDI (not that Id ever do that kind of thing) wouldnt I find they were identical in terms of power, acceleration and top speed in a straight line. Hence I feel a bit miffed with the high premium. What you think?

George Dalton

Standard engine and drivetrain yes. But you have the GT grille and external trim pack, lower and stiffer suspension, nicer wheels, better seats and a nicer steering wheel which make the car a much nicer ownership proposition in my opinion. From the insurance company's point of view it probably makes it slightly higher risk. Have you checked to see exactly how much extra you are paying? It is probably a very small amount.

McVitae

George Dalton wrote: »

Standard engine and drivetrain yes. But you have the GT grille and external trim pack, lower and stiffer suspension, nicer wheels, better seats and a nicer steering wheel which make the car a much nicer ownership proposition in my opinion. From the insurance company's point of view it probably makes it slightly higher risk. Have you checked to see exactly how much extra you are paying? It is probably a very small amount.

Ill check that. I have to go get a new quote. I was with Quinn but I think I can go cheaper. Cheers for you help

coylemj

George Dalton wrote: »

It is not hogwash. I happen to know what I am talking about.

Early Mk5s came in GT spec in 1.4 petrol twincharged (turbo and supercharged not twin turbo as you suggest) and 2.0 diesel with 170bhp (and just the one turbo)

As well as that there was a rebadging exercise in the UK of 2.0 TDI Sportline models into "GT-TDI" models but that is neither here nor there.

Later Mk5s (from mid 2007 as you say) dropped the Sportline trim level in favour of the GT Sport trim level. These GT Sports were available with all engines, hence it was possible to buy a 1.9 TDI GT Sport with 105bhp or even a 1.4 petrol GT Sport with 80bhp. Now as far as I am concerned this means "GT Sport" in the later Mk5 Golfs was just a trim level, as per my first post in this thread.

My apologies, you are correct. What I said applies to before I bought a Mk V Golf GT 170 PS in Sept 2007. When they merged the 'Sportline' trim into the GT they also changed the engine options and afterwards (especially on the diesels) the GT badge didn't mean much more than a trim spec unless it was the 140 or 170 petrol models.

VW 1

McVitae wrote: »

Thanks George. on the "nicely specced" part of your comment... based on your previous post though dont I just have a bog standard 1.9 TDI engine and what is making it nicely specced is the is the low trimline, big alloys and a cool looking grill on the front. ok I know the lowered suspension gives me better road hold but if I was to say drag race a standard 1.9 TDI (not that Id ever do that kind of thing) wouldnt I find they were identical in terms of power, acceleration and top speed in a straight line. Hence I feel a bit miffed with the high premium. What you think?

At sportline you should also have an armrest to go with the lowered suspension, nicer wheels and the grille in front. I would doubt that the fact that the car is sportline as opposed to comfortline would impact on your premium in any way.

EDIT:

And to add to this, there isnt a GT TDI as such for this model, the badge at the back is always 2.0 TDI for the 140 or 170 brake diesel ones, the way you can tell the 140 from the 170 is that the 170 one has a twing exhaust like the GTI whereas the 140 on has a regular rear bumper with the exhaust hidden.

EPM

Armrest isn't standard on any MK5 diesel spec.

VW 1

EPM wrote: »

Armrest isn't standard on any MK5 diesel spec.

Really? maybe its an option most people choose at this level but I cant recall seeing a sportsline (GT Sport) without one.

R.O.R

EPM wrote: »

Armrest isn't standard on any MK5 diesel spec.

Had a lovely 08 2.0TDi DSG GT Sport back a couple of months ago. Would have considered it myself if it wasn't missing the armrest (and was running like a bag of spanners when I nipped to the shop in it).

EPM

VW 1 wrote: »

Really? maybe its an option most people choose at this level but I cant recall seeing a sportsline (GT Sport) without one.

I was driving one without it yesterday:)

EPM

The first sticker OP shows the equipment in the car. There are vag equipment code decoders online that will tell you what they mean. There's also mobile apps for it too.

coylemj

Armrest wasn't included in the Sportline package and was an extra in the GT model though for some reason it was bundled with the SatNav package, I had to pay for it in my GT Sport.

EPM

I've seen 170 GT's without sat nav but with an armrest.

coylemj

EPM wrote: »

I've seen 170 GT's without sat nav but with an armrest.

I may have implied that the only way to get the armrest was to buy SatNav, let me clarify.....

The armrest was bundled with SatNav but if you didn't want SatNav you could buy the armrest (€139 in 2007) as a separate item.

EPM

coylemj wrote: »

I may have implied that the only way to get the armrest was to buy SatNav, let me clarify.....

The armrest was bundled with SatNav but if you didn't want SatNav you could buy the armrest as a separate item.

Probably to do with the aux in.

heate

Twin turbo golf you say? VW Only do two twin turbo engines in a VW and they are the 5.0 V10 TDI and a 4.2 V8 TDI both diesels

VW 1

heate wrote: »

Twin turbo golf you say? VW Only do two twin turbo engines in a VW and they are the 5.0 V10 TDI and a 4.2 V8 TDI both diesels

Twin charged not twin turbo, the 170 in both petrol and diesel have a turbo charger and a super charger, the 140s only have the turbo charger.

heate

VW 1 wrote: »

heate wrote: »

Twin turbo golf you say? VW Only do two twin turbo engines in a VW and they are the 5.0 V10 TDI and a 4.2 V8 TDI both diesels

Twin charged not twin turbo, the 170 in both petrol and diesel have a turbo charger and a super charger, the 140s only have the turbo charger.

That sounds rather complicated has it imploded on anyone yet?

EPM

heate wrote: »

That sounds rather complicated has it imploded on anyone yet?

Not unheard of hence why they no longer sell it:pac:

German engineering at its best.

cyborg

Thought the 140's were twin charged aswell , the 122bhp's being turbo only?
170 twin charged diesel , never heard of that either...

VW 1 wrote: »

Twin charged not twin turbo, the 170 in both petrol and diesel have a turbo charger and a super charger, the 140s only have the turbo charger.

VW 1

cyborg wrote: »

Thought the 140's were twin charged aswell , the 122bhp's being turbo only?
170 twin charged diesel , never heard of that either...

I've a 140 petrol and there isnt a supercharger as far as I'm aware..

George Dalton

Cyborg is correct, the 1.4 TSI is twin charged in 140 and 170ps versions.

TDI 170 is just turbocharged, no supercharger.

scottp68877

Sorry for bringing up such an old thread but didn't want to start a new one. I'm just wondering if there is a way to tell the difference in a gttdi or tdi engine in a golf? I know there's the badges but I mean by actually looking at the engine such as a number on it or something that's different between the two of them? Thanks

sean1141

What year golf are you talking about?

scottp68877

sean1141 wrote: »

What year golf are you talking about?

It's 99 gttdi 110 on logbook but I think it could be 90 bhp engine.

sean1141

no such thing as a gt-tdi in the mk4. It will either be comfort line or high line spec.

Engine codes for 90bhp are AGR and ALH

Codes for 110 bhp are AHF and ASV

They can usually be found on the data sticker in the boot and on the timing belt cover

scottp68877

sean1141 wrote: »

no such thing as a gt-tdi in the mk4. It will either be comfort line or high line spec.

Engine codes for 90bhp are AGR and ALH

Codes for 110 bhp are AHF and ASV

They can usually be found on the data sticker in the boot and on the timing belt cover

That's great thanks but there just to tell you there is gt-tdi in mk4. That's whats wrote on the logbook.

dar83

The GT bit was added by the dealer network here, at most it might have a couple of bits of trim that weren't standard on the TDI, but even that would be a push for most of them. It was a gimmick created by them to make the TDI more desirable and funnily enough it seems to have worked on some people and did back then too...

scottp68877

dar83 wrote: »

The GT bit was added by the dealer network here, at most it might have a couple of bits of trim that weren't standard on the TDI, but even that would be a push for most of them. It was a gimmick created by them to make the TDI more desirable and funnily enough it seems to have worked on some people and did back then too...

I guess I'm wrong then I guess I'm one of those people

sean1141

dar83 wrote: »

The GT bit was added by the dealer network here, at most it might have a couple of bits of trim that weren't standard on the TDI, but even that would be a push for most of them. It was a gimmick created by them to make the TDI more desirable and funnily enough it seems to have worked on some people and did back then too...

exactly!
The only golf diesel to be anything other than tdi were some of the 150bhp ones which were gti tdi on the data sticker. The data sticker is what to go off not the log book!

1991cdj

sean1141 wrote: »

no such thing as a gt-tdi in the mk4. It will either be comfort line or high line spec.

Engine codes for 90bhp are AGR and ALH

Codes for 110 bhp are AHF and ASV

They can usually be found on the data sticker in the boot and on the timing belt cover

you can get the gt tdi in 110bhp I have one. They were the first ones to come out and are 5 speed. The 115, 130 and 150 gt tdi's are all 6 speed.

sean1141

picture of the data sticker please stating it's a gt-tdi??

1991cdj

I can't post pictures on here , I have the log book here in front of me saying its a 1.9 gt tdi 110bhp. Your right about the engine code its AHF. The PD engines are the 115, 130, 150

Sobanek

1991cdj wrote: »

I can't post pictures on here , I have the log book here in front of me saying its a 1.9 gt tdi 110bhp. Your right about the engine code its AHF. The PD engines are the 115, 130, 150

We're talking about the data sticker on the car itself.

My car is a 760 on the logbook, while it's a 750.