Responsible during the Celtic Tiger? - IDIOT!

MrMatisse

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

Kasabian

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

Nah!! I think I'll stay, not one for running away. The rest of the world is just as fcuked.

Jumpy

Actually, it isnt.

halkar

You can run but you can't hide

silverharp

yeah but you get to be as smug as hell when you hear about someone who blew it after the boom......priceless....god I hope they dont try to tax smugness...lol

bonzos

The ordinary working person in this country must understand that your purpose in life (as far as the gov are concerned) is to provide for those above and bellow you. Every week I see criminals who own 11 red cars and 4x4's get free legal aid and medical cards. They can walk into court knowing that all they will get is a slap on the wrist and the taxpayer will pick up the bill. On the other end of the scale we have our politicians with huge salaries and expenses (and ego's) retire in their early 50's on well over €100k a year with no questions asked. Take the likes of Ray Burke and John O'Donoghue. Burke ended up in jail but it never cost him a days pay,in fact he earns more now than in office....O Donoghue took advantage for his position to travel the world at our expense yet it never cost him a penny. How many people have asked why we need so many county councilors?...more jobs for the boys and girls at our expense! Yet still good old Ireland we kiss arse a look up to any chancer who manages to get you planning or pushes your name up a list!

Ellis Dee

Most of my income was sourced abroad then and now my pension comes from Finland. I went through something similar in the early 1990s, when the Swedish and Finnish banks had their bursting bubble experience and I had to help pay for it. So I saw it coming in Ireland at least five or six years ago, but would anyone listen to me?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have always voted Sinn Fein, so at least I can't be blamed for the cock up that Fianna Fail made and Fine Gael and their Labour junior partners are almost bound to make.:):)

But at least there are some good bargains around in Ireland now, if I want to be a bit selfish about it.

Freddie59

MrMatisse wrote: »

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour I for one am quite annoyed.

The core issue really. Well put.

Dudess

The worst is FF voters and people who really took the piss saying "We're all to blame". At the same time though, most of us experienced some benefit from it, and we weren't complaining at the time.

Ray D'arsey said he'd leave.

galwayrush

Dudess wrote: »

Ray D'arsey said he'd leave.

and we're still waiting...:pac:
He actually said during the week that he's warming to Enda Kenny.

44leto

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

galwayrush

44leto wrote: »

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

dory

44leto wrote: »

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

What's your beef with conservatories??

I never borrowed a dime. I'm so sick of the eejits running our country. I would be DELIGHTED to become a German province. We're too thick to govern ourselves. :mad:

mickdw

100% agree with the OP.

MrJoeSoap

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I have always voted Sinn Fein, so at least I can't be blamed for the cock up that Fianna Fail made and Fine Gael and their Labour junior partners are almost bound to make.:):)

Can we blame you for the Sinn Fein indiscretions?

44leto

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

They are never well insulated even the ones with triple glazed glass. With their tiled floors, they heamorhage heat, so they are usually built with double the amount of rads. If it was the med conservatories are great, but in Ireland they are an idiot statement.

CamperMan

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

I already have

OK, I still have a base in Ireland, but for the past 9 months I have been in Germany.. where it is so much cheaper to live than rip off ireland!

cost of living in Ireland for 2 people was about €450 a week, now we have it down to less than €140 a week including bills (no rent or mortgage as we bought the house for cash)

stovelid

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

gigino

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

And its not as if we are al in it together, according to the figures in todays papers too. Sickies are double in the public sector compared to the private sector, and pay is almost double. And do not mention pensions or job security. Banana republic.

Jumpy

Jumpy wrote: »

Actually, it isnt.

True, any country that has a stable government and natural resources like oil or coal are doing OK right now.

They will be the first to recover from any global financial meltdown as well.

CamperMan

44leto wrote: »

They are never well insulated even the ones with triple glazed glass. With their tiled floors, they heamorhage heat, so they are usually built with double the amount of rads. If it was the med conservatories are great, but in Ireland they are an idiot statement.

every house we lived in in Ireland had terrible insulation, even the new builds, most days we would have 4000 watts of heating on in just the living room to take the chill out.

at the moment we are in a nice old house in Germany built in 1840, talk about insulation.. brilliant stuff, we can keep the living room nice and warm with a 2000 watt oil radiator on just 1 setting (1000 watt) turned down to 4 so it turns itself on and off.

our energy bills are very small compared to ireland

Biggins

bonzos wrote: »

...Take the likes of Ray Burke and John O'Donoghue. Burke ended up in jail but it never cost him a days pay,in fact he earns more now than in office....O Donoghue took advantage for his position to travel the world at our expense yet it never cost him a penny...

After Budget Tax Adjustments -
Here what the following will get every year.
4th December 2011

Ahern, Noel – Gross pension €70,233.35; New net €54,125.35
Ahern, Michael – Gross pension €76,444.55; New net €59,591.20
Ahern, Dermot – Gross pension €119,965.23; New net €113,861.59
Ahern, Bertie – Gross pension €152,331.67; New net €139,785.34
Allen, Lorcan – Gross pension €64,043.83; New net €48,678.57
Allen, Bernard – Gross pension €64,535.78; New net €49,111.49
Andrews, David – Gross pension €108,430.45; New net €94,483.16
Barry, Richard – Gross pension €75,610.22; New net €58,856.99
Barry, Peter – Gross pension €75,610.22; New net €58,856.99
Begley, Michael – Gross pension €69,452.80; New net €53,438.46
Bhreathnach, Niamh – Gross pension €47,176.24; New net €44,370.38
Birmingham, George – Gross pension €37,890.53; New net €35,920.38
Brady, Vincent – Gross pension €59,630.56; New net €45,120.00
Bruton, John – Gross pension €141,849.27; New net €131,399.42
Burke, Richard – Gross pension €53,334.61; New net €45,120.00
Burke, Ray – Gross pension €103,838.73; New net €86,769.07
Byrne, Hugh – Gross pension €68,390.96; New net €52,504.04
Calleary, Sean – Gross pension €72,841.80; New net €56,420.78
Callely, Ivor – Gross pension €14,754.28; New net €14,589.02
Carey, Donal – Gross pension €66,022.87; New net €50,420.13
Cassidy, Donie – Gross pension €11,505.90; New net €11,505.90
Collins, Edward – Gross pension €63,413.57; New net €48,123.94
Collins, Gerard – Gross pension €102,564.54; New net €84,628.43
Connaughton, Paul – Gross pension €67,668.29; New net €51,868.10
Connolly, Gerard – Gross pension €74,735.35; New net €58,087.11
Cooney, Patrick – Gross pension €102,564.53; New net €84,628.41
Cosgrave, Liam T – Gross pension €55,049.59; New net €45,120.00
Cowen , Brian – Gross pension €151,061.77; New net €138,769.42
Creed, Donal – Gross pension €66,806.83; New net €51,110.01
Cullen, Martin – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Currie, Austin – Gross pension €59,383.84; New net €45,120.00
Daly, Brendan – Gross pension €95,515.43; New net €76,373.58
D’Arcy, Michael – Gross pension €68,854.39; New net €52,911.86
Davern, Noel – Gross pension €74,151.64; New net €57,573.44
De Valera, Síle – Gross pension €103,647.51; New net €86,447.82
Deasy, Austin – Gross pension €87,495.58; New net €69,316.11
Dempsey, Noel – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Desmond, Barry – Gross pension €86,423.62; New net €68,372.79
Donnellan, John – Gross pension €40,798.95; New net €38,567.04
Doyle, Avril – Gross pension €60,135.57; New net €45,239.30
Dukes, Alan – Gross pension €94,467.80; New net €75,451.66
Fahey, Jackie – Gross pension €68,011.89; New net €52,170.46
Fahey, Frank – Gross pension €113,141.36; New net €102,397.48
Faulkner, Padraig – Gross pension €102,564.54; New net €84,628.43
Fitzpatrick , Tom – Gross pension €56,076.74; New net €45,120.00
Flood, Chris – Gross pension €55,793.17; New net €45,120.00
Flynn, Padraig – Gross pension €87,129.22; New net €68,993.71
Gallagher, Pat ‘The Cope’ – Gross pension €70,562.08; New net €54,414.63
Harney, Mary – Gross pension €129,805.67; New net €121,764.54
Higgins , Jim – Gross pension €57,363.50; New net €45,120.00
Higgins, Michael D – Gross pension €87,928.54; New net €69,697.12
Honan, Tras – Gross pension €50,750.25; New net €45,120.00
Hussey,Thomas – Gross pension €61,215.35; New net €46,189.51
Hussey, Gemma – Gross pension €66,057.70; New net €50,450.78
Jacob, Joe – Gross pension €79,125.66; New net €61,950.58
Kavanagh, Liam – Gross pension €91,535.68; New net €72,871.40
Kiely, Rory – Gross pension €52,324.36; New net €45,120.00 Kitt ,
Tom – Gross pension €81,476.40; New net €64,019.23
Lalor, Paddy – Gross pension €101,153.89; New net €82,258.54
Lyons, Denis – Gross pension €48,744.00; New net €45,120.00
MacSharry, Ray – Gross pension €88,936.80; New net €70,584.38
McCarthy, Sean – Gross pension €38,604.11; New net €36,569.74
McCreevy, Charlie – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
McDaid , Jim – Gross pension €97,406.69; New net €78,037.89
McDonald, Charles – Gross pension €58,501.32; New net €45,120.00
McDowell, Michael – Gross pension €60,388.64; New net €45,462.00
McManus, Liz – Gross pension €12,309.97; New net €12,291.37
Moffatt, Tom – Gross pension €42,192.80; New net €39,835.45
Molloy, Robert – Gross pension €113,677.53; New net €103,298.25
Mullooly, Brian – Gross pension €57,302.98; New net €45,120.00
Nealon, Ted – Gross pension €59,736.76; New net €45,120.00
Noonan, Michael J – Gross pension €80,684.50; New net €63,322.36
O’Brien, Fergus – Gross pension €66,991.00; New net €51,272.08
O’Connell, Dr John – Gross pension €76,309.85; New net €59,472.67
O’Donnell, Liz – Gross pension €58,903.88; New net €45,120.00
O’Donnell, Tom – Gross pension €85,797.21; New net €67,821.54
O’Donoghue, Martin – Gross pension €51,330.09; New net €45,120.00
O’Donoghue, John – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
O’Hanlon, Rory – Gross pension €116,617.53; New net €108,237.45
O’Keeffe, Edward (Ned) – Gross pension €65,515.65; New net €49,973.77
O’Keeffe, Jim – Gross pension €70,797.11; New net €54,621.46
O’Kennedy, Michael – Gross pension €122,803.59; New net €116,162.87
O’Malley, Tim – Gross pension €31,192.97; New net €29,825.60
O’Malley, Desmond – Gross pension €106,721.70; New net €91,612.46
O’Rourke, Mary – Gross pension €117,981.01; New net €110,528.10
O’Shea, Brian – Gross pension €66,970.92; New net €51,254.41
O’Sullivan, Toddy – Gross pension €56,425.20; New net €45,120.00
O’Toole , Paddy – Gross pension €74,069.42; New net €57,501.09
Owen, Nora – Gross pension €73,826.20; New net €57,287.06
Parlon, Tom – Gross pension €31,192.96; New net €29,825.59
Pattison, Seamus – Gross pension €117,205.46; New net €109,225.17
Power, Sean – Gross pension €36,464.13; New net €34,622.36
Power, Patrick – Gross pension €75,968.59; New net €59,172.36
Reynolds, Albert – Gross pension €149,740.29; New net €137,712.23
Ryan, Eoin – Gross pension €53,814.13; New net €45,120.00
Ryan, John – Gross pension €67,335.13; New net €51,574.91
Ryan, Richie – Gross pension €93,032.73; New net €74,188.80
Smith, Michael – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Spring, Dick – Gross pension €121,108.28; New net €114,806.62
Taylor, Mervyn – Gross pension €77,979.70; New net €60,942.14
Treacy, Noel – Gross pension €83,609.13; New net €65,896.03
Treacy, Sean – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Wallace, Dan – Gross pension €73,092.24; New net €56,641.17
Wallace, Mary – Gross pension €77,446.64; New net €60,473.04
Walsh, Joe – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Woods, Michael – Gross pension €122,695.95; New net €116,076.76
Yates, Ivan – Gross pension €74,836.65; New net €58,176.25

Thats 7+ Million a year...

In the above, we have also criminals, convicted people and others that lead the country astray possibly to the possible point of financial fraud - and yet the state (thats you and I) is still rewarding them. Thats your present Irish FG and Labour government for you.

Dudess

gigino wrote: »

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

And its not as if we are al in it together, according to the figures in todays papers too. Sickies are double in the public sector compared to the private sector, and pay is almost double. And do not mention pensions or job security. Banana republic.

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs - unlike those poor solicitors in plush offices...

44leto

CamperMan wrote: »

every house we lived in in Ireland had terrible insulation, even the new builds, most days we would have 4000 watts of heating on in just the living room to take the chill out.

at the moment we are in a nice old house in Germany built in 1840, talk about insulation.. brilliant stuff, we can keep the living room nice and warm with a 2000 watt oil radiator on just 1 setting (1000 watt) turned down to 4 so it turns itself on and off.

our energy bills are very small compared to ireland

I regard that as one of the great missed opportunities of the housing boom. It was typical FF, "once it alright now, fukc the future" we should have tightened the building codes and had the best insulated new houses in Europe. With the profits made on houses the builders could have easilly accommodated the costs and Ireland's energy imports and carbon emissions would have being reduced. Plus we would have had a surplus energy saving income into now stretched households.

But sadly no, they just got miminun standard.

Giselle

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

I think conservatories actually make sense in an Irish climate.

Its decking that really stands out, particularly if they boast a hot tub on them. There was a plague of them in Ireland during the boom years, and they look awful, each and every single one of them. They do make a statement about the owners imo.

dory

dory wrote: »

I never borrowed a dime. I'm so sick of the eejits running our country. I would be DELIGHTED to become a German province. We're too thick to govern ourselves. :mad:

You do realise that one (of many) reasons we're in this mess, is the fact that Germans have been saving for decades and their banks wanted to "grow" those investments.

What they actually did, via the Euro was to use Ireland (& others) as "greenhouses" for their pensioners pensions, if it wasn't for those pesky kids limitations of growth caused by peak oil,they would have got away with it!

MrMatisse

silverharp wrote: »

yeah but you get to be as smug as hell when you hear about someone who blew it after the boom......priceless....god I hope they dont try to tax smugness...lol

SMUG = No

Angry = YES

gigino

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

MrMatisse

stovelid wrote: »

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

Bit by bit we are.

Dudess

gigino wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

Blab all you like about the average, but it displays actual critical thinking if you consider the individual roles. Of course some people in the public sector have cushy, well paid jobs, but folks like you who have an axe to grind spread the lie that all in the public sector get paid a fortune for doing nowt and that most in the private sector are being screwed - knowing that there are enough who'll be happy to believe you.

Dudess

MrMatisse wrote: »

stovelid wrote: »

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

Bit by bit we are.

But during the boom there was nobody objecting to those advantages.

billybudd

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

Just keep in mind that the majority of people still work and pay tax and take responsibilty for their debts. let reality in.

MrMatisse

Yep but the rest of us have to suffer whilst they do it.

MrMatisse

Dudess wrote: »

But during the boom there was nobody objecting to those advantages.

What that you cant buy a home and have to pay rack rents because people are paying silly money for houses?

The_Thing

Dudess wrote: »

Blab all you like about the average, but it displays actual critical thinking if you consider the individual roles. Of course some people in the public sector have cushy, well paid jobs, but folks like you who have an axe to grind spread the lie that all in the public sector get paid a fortune for doing nowt and that most in the private sector are being screwed - knowing that there are enough who'll be happy to believe you.

Correct, Gigino was permabanned from the Irish Economy section for spewing the same begrudging bile.

billybudd

Dudess wrote: »

Blab all you like about the average, but it displays actual critical thinking if you consider the individual roles. Of course some people in the public sector have cushy, well paid jobs, but folks like you who have an axe to grind spread the lie that all in the public sector get paid a fortune for doing nowt and that most in the private sector are being screwed - knowing that there are enough who'll be happy to believe you.

Your branch of the tree is nicer than mine, why do you have such a nice branch

problemchimp

gigino wrote: »

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

And relatively speaking the cost of living is way less in the U.K.

stovelid

The boom benefited everybody whether prudent savers or credit junkies but most of what passes for discourse on these matters in here can be distilled to a basic hatred that somebody somewhere is getting something that you're not.

Given the fact that FF enjoyed majorities in the good times , I have no doubt that many of the people here voted for them and therefore have no right to moan about others whose only difference to them is that their nose was deeper in the trough.

billybudd

gigino wrote: »

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

I should clarify that i dont work for the PS, but surely alot of that is based on the hazzardous jobs they do, gards, nurses, doctors, prison officers, waste managment, sewer workers etc etc etc lots of bacteria and mental stress in those jobs.

gigino

billybudd wrote: »

but surely alot of that is based on the hazzardous jobs they do, gards, nurses, doctors, prison officers, waste managment, sewer workers etc etc etc lots of bacteria and mental stress in those jobs.

there are hazardous jobs ( eg bouncer / doorman / roofer ) and non hazardous jobs in the private sector as well as the public sector. Yet the figures show people doing the same job in the public sector ( eg admin or sec. ) are paid much more + take twice as many sickies as in the private sector.

Oh, and the cops, nurses, doctors, prison officers, waste managment, sewer workers etc in Newry face bacteria and mental stress in Newry and Nottingham and Nuremburg as well as Newbliss and Navan, so why do the public servants get paid double in Newbliss + Navan ?

Excellent articles in todays papers about this, much better written than I can do.

ilovesleep

There is a sickening perception here on boards that we all lost the run of ourselves buying a house, cars, holidays etc with cheap credit when the reality is so far from that. I'm under 30 and like the OP I lived within my means. If I wanted something large ie my first learners car (which was an old heap by the way) I worked and saved for it. Many more young adults that I know had the same attitude and don't have any loans but are fcuked due to unemployment. If by any chance there was a loan it was reasonable and well managed and paid.

Quite frankly the numbers just don't add up. There's only something like 700,000 + a few more hundred (of residential mortgages from an adult population of 2 million the numbers and the country oweing billions just don't add up. But many people are gullible and believe what the media feeds them and in turn, turning many different sectors against each other in the progess ie the unemployed are lazy, sponging gits, single mothers are whores who've dropped their knickers for SW money.
The very reality is that we have been put on a course of austerity to save a failing currency and a failing banking system.

Like the op, I'm annoyed but for different reasons. The reason I mentioned above about the failed banking system (just goes to show that we are all slaves to the system) but also things won't be done fairly in the budget. And what I mean by this is that the very people responsible for ruinning irelands economy will not know what austerity is.
Another reason is that I don't think you can tax your way out from a recession. Make it easier for people to spend and slowly but surely many umemployed will find employment in the sectors the people are spending in, ie retail.

problemchimp

ilovesleep wrote: »

There is a sickening perception here on boards that we all lost the run of ourselves buying a house, cars, holidays etc with cheap credit when the reality is so far from that. I'm under 30 and like the OP I lived within my means. If I wanted something large ie my first learners car (which was an old heap by the way) I worked and saved for it. Many more young adults that I know had the same attitude and don't have any loans but are fcuked due to unemployment. If by any chance there was a loan it was reasonable and well managed and paid.

Quite frankly the numbers just don't add up. There's only something like 700,000 + a few more hundred (of residential mortgages from an adult population of 2 million the numbers and the country oweing billions just don't add up. But many people are gullible and believe what the media feeds them and in turn, turning many different sectors against each other in the progess ie the unemployed are lazy, sponging gits, single mothers are whores who've dropped their knickers for SW money.
The very reality is that we have been put on a course of austerity to save a failing currency and a failing banking system.

Like the op, I'm annoyed but for different reasons. The reason I mentioned above about the failed banking system (just goes to show that we are all slaves to the system) but also things won't be done fairly in the budget. And what I mean by this is that the very people responsible for ruinning irelands economy will not know what austerity is.
Another reason is that I don't think you can tax your way out from a recession. Make it easier for people to spend and slowly but surely many umemployed will find employment in the sectors the people are spending in, ie retail.

Well said!

MrMatisse

Defo cant tax your way out. Were being bled dry to pay back banks thanks to all the stupid behaviour of the people who have gotten into hock with them at alevel that they could never afford and never had any hope of paying back for things like decking (does that still exist) and 'investment properties' in bulgaria.

Ellis Dee

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Can we blame you for the Sinn Fein indiscretions?

Sinn Fein don't do indiscretions.:):):)

CamperMan

ilovesleep wrote: »

There is a sickening perception here on boards that we all lost the run of ourselves buying a house, cars, holidays etc with cheap credit when the reality is so far from that. I'm under 30 and like the OP I lived within my means. If I wanted something large ie my first learners car (which was an old heap by the way) I worked and saved for it. Many more young adults that I know had the same attitude and don't have any loans but are fcuked due to unemployment. If by any chance there was a loan it was reasonable and well managed and paid.

Quite frankly the numbers just don't add up. There's only something like 700,000 + a few more hundred (of residential mortgages from an adult population of 2 million the numbers and the country oweing billions just don't add up. But many people are gullible and believe what the media feeds them and in turn, turning many different sectors against each other in the progess ie the unemployed are lazy, sponging gits, single mothers are whores who've dropped their knickers for SW money.
The very reality is that we have been put on a course of austerity to save a failing currency and a failing banking system.

Like the op, I'm annoyed but for different reasons. The reason I mentioned above about the failed banking system (just goes to show that we are all slaves to the system) but also things won't be done fairly in the budget. And what I mean by this is that the very people responsible for ruinning irelands economy will not know what austerity is.
Another reason is that I don't think you can tax your way out from a recession. Make it easier for people to spend and slowly but surely many umemployed will find employment in the sectors the people are spending in, ie retail.

not only did these knobs buy over priced piles of dog $hite, they also had to have the brand new his and hers Range Rovers, they had to have the Harley Davidson,s and the luxury yacht moored up at there second home in Spain, then the finance to send their kids to the best schools... massive no expense spared parties..... the list goes on

billybudd

gigino wrote: »

there are hazardous jobs ( eg bouncer / doorman / roofer ) and non hazardous jobs in the private sector as well as the public sector. Yet the figures show people doing the same job in the public sector ( eg admin or sec. ) are paid much more + take twice as many sickies as in the private sector.

Oh, and the cops, nurses, doctors, prison officers, waste managment, sewer workers etc in Newry face bacteria and mental stress in Newry and Nottingham and Nuremburg as well as Newbliss and Navan, so why do the public servants get paid double in Newbliss + Navan ?

Excellent articles in todays papers about this, much better written than I can do.

so then it comes down to being a patriot? so if you where a PS and your union got you a great deal and a recession hit would you be willing to cut your wages? honestly for the good of a corrupt little country?

billybudd

ilovesleep wrote: »

There is a sickening perception here on boards that we all lost the run of ourselves buying a house, cars, holidays etc with cheap credit when the reality is so far from that. I'm under 30 and like the OP I lived within my means. If I wanted something large ie my first learners car (which was an old heap by the way) I worked and saved for it. Many more young adults that I know had the same attitude and don't have any loans but are fcuked due to unemployment. If by any chance there was a loan it was reasonable and well managed and paid.

Quite frankly the numbers just don't add up. There's only something like 700,000 + a few more hundred (of residential mortgages from an adult population of 2 million the numbers and the country oweing billions just don't add up. But many people are gullible and believe what the media feeds them and in turn, turning many different sectors against each other in the progess ie the unemployed are lazy, sponging gits, single mothers are whores who've dropped their knickers for SW money.
The very reality is that we have been put on a course of austerity to save a failing currency and a failing banking system.

Like the op, I'm annoyed but for different reasons. The reason I mentioned above about the failed banking system (just goes to show that we are all slaves to the system) but also things won't be done fairly in the budget. And what I mean by this is that the very people responsible for ruinning irelands economy will not know what austerity is.
Another reason is that I don't think you can tax your way out from a recession. Make it easier for people to spend and slowly but surely many umemployed will find employment in the sectors the people are spending in, ie retail.

I agree, delve a little into it and it is not that hard to figure where the money came from, where it went, where it is going and who will get it.

I would not say it's a conspiracy but for sure it is a well managed pyramid scheme with the top half only profiting.

latenia

MrMatisse wrote: »

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

What's unfair about those two?

Lawrence1895

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

That's why I came to Ireland in 2004, I am a spy of the German government and the German Secret Service

MrMatisse

Ah Lars why didnt you stop us!

MrMatisse

latenia wrote: »

What's unfair about those two?

People who save and are not feckless get screwed