Responsible during the Celtic Tiger? - IDIOT!

MrMatisse

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

Kasabian

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

Nah!! I think I'll stay, not one for running away. The rest of the world is just as fcuked.

Jumpy

Actually, it isnt.

halkar

You can run but you can't hide

silverharp

yeah but you get to be as smug as hell when you hear about someone who blew it after the boom......priceless....god I hope they dont try to tax smugness...lol

bonzos

The ordinary working person in this country must understand that your purpose in life (as far as the gov are concerned) is to provide for those above and bellow you. Every week I see criminals who own 11 red cars and 4x4's get free legal aid and medical cards. They can walk into court knowing that all they will get is a slap on the wrist and the taxpayer will pick up the bill. On the other end of the scale we have our politicians with huge salaries and expenses (and ego's) retire in their early 50's on well over €100k a year with no questions asked. Take the likes of Ray Burke and John O'Donoghue. Burke ended up in jail but it never cost him a days pay,in fact he earns more now than in office....O Donoghue took advantage for his position to travel the world at our expense yet it never cost him a penny. How many people have asked why we need so many county councilors?...more jobs for the boys and girls at our expense! Yet still good old Ireland we kiss arse a look up to any chancer who manages to get you planning or pushes your name up a list!

Ellis Dee

Most of my income was sourced abroad then and now my pension comes from Finland. I went through something similar in the early 1990s, when the Swedish and Finnish banks had their bursting bubble experience and I had to help pay for it. So I saw it coming in Ireland at least five or six years ago, but would anyone listen to me?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have always voted Sinn Fein, so at least I can't be blamed for the cock up that Fianna Fail made and Fine Gael and their Labour junior partners are almost bound to make.:):)

But at least there are some good bargains around in Ireland now, if I want to be a bit selfish about it.

Freddie59

MrMatisse wrote: »

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour I for one am quite annoyed.

The core issue really. Well put.

Dudess

The worst is FF voters and people who really took the piss saying "We're all to blame". At the same time though, most of us experienced some benefit from it, and we weren't complaining at the time.

Ray D'arsey said he'd leave.

galwayrush

Dudess wrote: »

Ray D'arsey said he'd leave.

and we're still waiting...:pac:
He actually said during the week that he's warming to Enda Kenny.

44leto

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

galwayrush

44leto wrote: »

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

dory

44leto wrote: »

Conservatories to me show the stupidity of the borrowing culture that exploded during the ponsi boom.

A glass conservatory in an Irish climate connected to houses in estates with spits of back gardens.

What's your beef with conservatories??

I never borrowed a dime. I'm so sick of the eejits running our country. I would be DELIGHTED to become a German province. We're too thick to govern ourselves. :mad:

mickdw

100% agree with the OP.

MrJoeSoap

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I have always voted Sinn Fein, so at least I can't be blamed for the cock up that Fianna Fail made and Fine Gael and their Labour junior partners are almost bound to make.:):)

Can we blame you for the Sinn Fein indiscretions?

44leto

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

They are never well insulated even the ones with triple glazed glass. With their tiled floors, they heamorhage heat, so they are usually built with double the amount of rads. If it was the med conservatories are great, but in Ireland they are an idiot statement.

CamperMan

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

As someone who did not borrow 10 times my salary to buy a shed in a floodplain in Westmeath, 2 cars and a holiday in Dubai after a bit of R and R in New York and then blame 'bankers' and 'developers' for my stupid behaviour

I for one am quite annoyed.:mad::mad::mad:

Responsible people of Ireland, lets leave!

I already have

OK, I still have a base in Ireland, but for the past 9 months I have been in Germany.. where it is so much cheaper to live than rip off ireland!

cost of living in Ireland for 2 people was about €450 a week, now we have it down to less than €140 a week including bills (no rent or mortgage as we bought the house for cash)

stovelid

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

gigino

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

And its not as if we are al in it together, according to the figures in todays papers too. Sickies are double in the public sector compared to the private sector, and pay is almost double. And do not mention pensions or job security. Banana republic.

Jumpy

Jumpy wrote: »

Actually, it isnt.

True, any country that has a stable government and natural resources like oil or coal are doing OK right now.

They will be the first to recover from any global financial meltdown as well.

CamperMan

44leto wrote: »

They are never well insulated even the ones with triple glazed glass. With their tiled floors, they heamorhage heat, so they are usually built with double the amount of rads. If it was the med conservatories are great, but in Ireland they are an idiot statement.

every house we lived in in Ireland had terrible insulation, even the new builds, most days we would have 4000 watts of heating on in just the living room to take the chill out.

at the moment we are in a nice old house in Germany built in 1840, talk about insulation.. brilliant stuff, we can keep the living room nice and warm with a 2000 watt oil radiator on just 1 setting (1000 watt) turned down to 4 so it turns itself on and off.

our energy bills are very small compared to ireland

Biggins

bonzos wrote: »

...Take the likes of Ray Burke and John O'Donoghue. Burke ended up in jail but it never cost him a days pay,in fact he earns more now than in office....O Donoghue took advantage for his position to travel the world at our expense yet it never cost him a penny...

After Budget Tax Adjustments -
Here what the following will get every year.
4th December 2011

Ahern, Noel – Gross pension €70,233.35; New net €54,125.35
Ahern, Michael – Gross pension €76,444.55; New net €59,591.20
Ahern, Dermot – Gross pension €119,965.23; New net €113,861.59
Ahern, Bertie – Gross pension €152,331.67; New net €139,785.34
Allen, Lorcan – Gross pension €64,043.83; New net €48,678.57
Allen, Bernard – Gross pension €64,535.78; New net €49,111.49
Andrews, David – Gross pension €108,430.45; New net €94,483.16
Barry, Richard – Gross pension €75,610.22; New net €58,856.99
Barry, Peter – Gross pension €75,610.22; New net €58,856.99
Begley, Michael – Gross pension €69,452.80; New net €53,438.46
Bhreathnach, Niamh – Gross pension €47,176.24; New net €44,370.38
Birmingham, George – Gross pension €37,890.53; New net €35,920.38
Brady, Vincent – Gross pension €59,630.56; New net €45,120.00
Bruton, John – Gross pension €141,849.27; New net €131,399.42
Burke, Richard – Gross pension €53,334.61; New net €45,120.00
Burke, Ray – Gross pension €103,838.73; New net €86,769.07
Byrne, Hugh – Gross pension €68,390.96; New net €52,504.04
Calleary, Sean – Gross pension €72,841.80; New net €56,420.78
Callely, Ivor – Gross pension €14,754.28; New net €14,589.02
Carey, Donal – Gross pension €66,022.87; New net €50,420.13
Cassidy, Donie – Gross pension €11,505.90; New net €11,505.90
Collins, Edward – Gross pension €63,413.57; New net €48,123.94
Collins, Gerard – Gross pension €102,564.54; New net €84,628.43
Connaughton, Paul – Gross pension €67,668.29; New net €51,868.10
Connolly, Gerard – Gross pension €74,735.35; New net €58,087.11
Cooney, Patrick – Gross pension €102,564.53; New net €84,628.41
Cosgrave, Liam T – Gross pension €55,049.59; New net €45,120.00
Cowen , Brian – Gross pension €151,061.77; New net €138,769.42
Creed, Donal – Gross pension €66,806.83; New net €51,110.01
Cullen, Martin – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Currie, Austin – Gross pension €59,383.84; New net €45,120.00
Daly, Brendan – Gross pension €95,515.43; New net €76,373.58
D’Arcy, Michael – Gross pension €68,854.39; New net €52,911.86
Davern, Noel – Gross pension €74,151.64; New net €57,573.44
De Valera, Síle – Gross pension €103,647.51; New net €86,447.82
Deasy, Austin – Gross pension €87,495.58; New net €69,316.11
Dempsey, Noel – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Desmond, Barry – Gross pension €86,423.62; New net €68,372.79
Donnellan, John – Gross pension €40,798.95; New net €38,567.04
Doyle, Avril – Gross pension €60,135.57; New net €45,239.30
Dukes, Alan – Gross pension €94,467.80; New net €75,451.66
Fahey, Jackie – Gross pension €68,011.89; New net €52,170.46
Fahey, Frank – Gross pension €113,141.36; New net €102,397.48
Faulkner, Padraig – Gross pension €102,564.54; New net €84,628.43
Fitzpatrick , Tom – Gross pension €56,076.74; New net €45,120.00
Flood, Chris – Gross pension €55,793.17; New net €45,120.00
Flynn, Padraig – Gross pension €87,129.22; New net €68,993.71
Gallagher, Pat ‘The Cope’ – Gross pension €70,562.08; New net €54,414.63
Harney, Mary – Gross pension €129,805.67; New net €121,764.54
Higgins , Jim – Gross pension €57,363.50; New net €45,120.00
Higgins, Michael D – Gross pension €87,928.54; New net €69,697.12
Honan, Tras – Gross pension €50,750.25; New net €45,120.00
Hussey,Thomas – Gross pension €61,215.35; New net €46,189.51
Hussey, Gemma – Gross pension €66,057.70; New net €50,450.78
Jacob, Joe – Gross pension €79,125.66; New net €61,950.58
Kavanagh, Liam – Gross pension €91,535.68; New net €72,871.40
Kiely, Rory – Gross pension €52,324.36; New net €45,120.00 Kitt ,
Tom – Gross pension €81,476.40; New net €64,019.23
Lalor, Paddy – Gross pension €101,153.89; New net €82,258.54
Lyons, Denis – Gross pension €48,744.00; New net €45,120.00
MacSharry, Ray – Gross pension €88,936.80; New net €70,584.38
McCarthy, Sean – Gross pension €38,604.11; New net €36,569.74
McCreevy, Charlie – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
McDaid , Jim – Gross pension €97,406.69; New net €78,037.89
McDonald, Charles – Gross pension €58,501.32; New net €45,120.00
McDowell, Michael – Gross pension €60,388.64; New net €45,462.00
McManus, Liz – Gross pension €12,309.97; New net €12,291.37
Moffatt, Tom – Gross pension €42,192.80; New net €39,835.45
Molloy, Robert – Gross pension €113,677.53; New net €103,298.25
Mullooly, Brian – Gross pension €57,302.98; New net €45,120.00
Nealon, Ted – Gross pension €59,736.76; New net €45,120.00
Noonan, Michael J – Gross pension €80,684.50; New net €63,322.36
O’Brien, Fergus – Gross pension €66,991.00; New net €51,272.08
O’Connell, Dr John – Gross pension €76,309.85; New net €59,472.67
O’Donnell, Liz – Gross pension €58,903.88; New net €45,120.00
O’Donnell, Tom – Gross pension €85,797.21; New net €67,821.54
O’Donoghue, Martin – Gross pension €51,330.09; New net €45,120.00
O’Donoghue, John – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
O’Hanlon, Rory – Gross pension €116,617.53; New net €108,237.45
O’Keeffe, Edward (Ned) – Gross pension €65,515.65; New net €49,973.77
O’Keeffe, Jim – Gross pension €70,797.11; New net €54,621.46
O’Kennedy, Michael – Gross pension €122,803.59; New net €116,162.87
O’Malley, Tim – Gross pension €31,192.97; New net €29,825.60
O’Malley, Desmond – Gross pension €106,721.70; New net €91,612.46
O’Rourke, Mary – Gross pension €117,981.01; New net €110,528.10
O’Shea, Brian – Gross pension €66,970.92; New net €51,254.41
O’Sullivan, Toddy – Gross pension €56,425.20; New net €45,120.00
O’Toole , Paddy – Gross pension €74,069.42; New net €57,501.09
Owen, Nora – Gross pension €73,826.20; New net €57,287.06
Parlon, Tom – Gross pension €31,192.96; New net €29,825.59
Pattison, Seamus – Gross pension €117,205.46; New net €109,225.17
Power, Sean – Gross pension €36,464.13; New net €34,622.36
Power, Patrick – Gross pension €75,968.59; New net €59,172.36
Reynolds, Albert – Gross pension €149,740.29; New net €137,712.23
Ryan, Eoin – Gross pension €53,814.13; New net €45,120.00
Ryan, John – Gross pension €67,335.13; New net €51,574.91
Ryan, Richie – Gross pension €93,032.73; New net €74,188.80
Smith, Michael – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Spring, Dick – Gross pension €121,108.28; New net €114,806.62
Taylor, Mervyn – Gross pension €77,979.70; New net €60,942.14
Treacy, Noel – Gross pension €83,609.13; New net €65,896.03
Treacy, Sean – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Wallace, Dan – Gross pension €73,092.24; New net €56,641.17
Wallace, Mary – Gross pension €77,446.64; New net €60,473.04
Walsh, Joe – Gross pension €119,177.67; New net €112,538.49
Woods, Michael – Gross pension €122,695.95; New net €116,076.76
Yates, Ivan – Gross pension €74,836.65; New net €58,176.25

Thats 7+ Million a year...

In the above, we have also criminals, convicted people and others that lead the country astray possibly to the possible point of financial fraud - and yet the state (thats you and I) is still rewarding them. Thats your present Irish FG and Labour government for you.

Dudess

gigino wrote: »

MrMatisse wrote: »

Budget details starting to leak out in todays papers.

DIRT tax up to 30%

Dividends and rental income to come under PRSI

VAT up to 23%

Random charges everywhere.

Ireland = Newly adopted German province

And its not as if we are al in it together, according to the figures in todays papers too. Sickies are double in the public sector compared to the private sector, and pay is almost double. And do not mention pensions or job security. Banana republic.

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs - unlike those poor solicitors in plush offices...

44leto

CamperMan wrote: »

every house we lived in in Ireland had terrible insulation, even the new builds, most days we would have 4000 watts of heating on in just the living room to take the chill out.

at the moment we are in a nice old house in Germany built in 1840, talk about insulation.. brilliant stuff, we can keep the living room nice and warm with a 2000 watt oil radiator on just 1 setting (1000 watt) turned down to 4 so it turns itself on and off.

our energy bills are very small compared to ireland

I regard that as one of the great missed opportunities of the housing boom. It was typical FF, "once it alright now, fukc the future" we should have tightened the building codes and had the best insulated new houses in Europe. With the profits made on houses the builders could have easilly accommodated the costs and Ireland's energy imports and carbon emissions would have being reduced. Plus we would have had a surplus energy saving income into now stretched households.

But sadly no, they just got miminun standard.

Giselle

galwayrush wrote: »

:pac::pac:
A conservatory can be an affordable way to add an extension to any house, esp ones with 'spits' of back gardens. Nothing stupid about a well insulated nicely designed one.

I think conservatories actually make sense in an Irish climate.

Its decking that really stands out, particularly if they boast a hot tub on them. There was a plague of them in Ireland during the boom years, and they look awful, each and every single one of them. They do make a statement about the owners imo.

dory

dory wrote: »

I never borrowed a dime. I'm so sick of the eejits running our country. I would be DELIGHTED to become a German province. We're too thick to govern ourselves. :mad:

You do realise that one (of many) reasons we're in this mess, is the fact that Germans have been saving for decades and their banks wanted to "grow" those investments.

What they actually did, via the Euro was to use Ireland (& others) as "greenhouses" for their pensioners pensions, if it wasn't for those pesky kids limitations of growth caused by peak oil,they would have got away with it!

MrMatisse

silverharp wrote: »

yeah but you get to be as smug as hell when you hear about someone who blew it after the boom......priceless....god I hope they dont try to tax smugness...lol

SMUG = No

Angry = YES

gigino

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

MrMatisse

stovelid wrote: »

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

Bit by bit we are.

Dudess

gigino wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, those bastard street sweepers for the council are rolling in money and have such cushy jobs

average pay in the public service here is double what it is in the UK, so yep, relatively speaking, some have cushy jobs. Espec when figures in todays payers show sickies in the public sector are twice that of the private sector.

Blab all you like about the average, but it displays actual critical thinking if you consider the individual roles. Of course some people in the public sector have cushy, well paid jobs, but folks like you who have an axe to grind spread the lie that all in the public sector get paid a fortune for doing nowt and that most in the private sector are being screwed - knowing that there are enough who'll be happy to believe you.

Dudess

MrMatisse wrote: »

stovelid wrote: »

I suppose all the smug types handed back every cent that found its way into their pay packets from tax reductions and breaks during the boom.

Bit by bit we are.

But during the boom there was nobody objecting to those advantages.