Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest
Kate Bolick: why marriage is a declining option for modern women
-
27-11-2011 7:07pm#1
Comments
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭
Join Date:Posts: 59144
Not wishing to sound like a nerd...How are we going to evolve if we don't reproduce?
evolution is like the internet, it sees a blockage or "censorship" as a fault and tries to route around it. We will still evolve. We've evolved more on the genetic level in the last 10,000 years than we did in the previous 80,000 years. It'll still happen. In random unpredicted ways, or by our own hands through science. The latter is already happening. I recall a very interesting thread on AH a while back which asked something along the lines of "how many here would have died without medical intervention?". The result was a majority*. So that majority are reproducing now when in the past they'd not have been able to. That's evolution too.
* I was one of the minority who'd be still pissing ye off
The only vaccination I've had is for polio and I've never been in hospital, nor have ever had an antibiotic. I'm not sure a world of me would be a good thing mind you... :pac: Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
0 -
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
Not wishing to sound like a nerd... evolution is like the internet, it sees a blockage or "censorship" as a fault and tries to route around it. We will still evolve. We've evolved more on the genetic level in the last 10,000 years than we did in the previous 80,000 years. It'll still happen. In random unpredicted ways, or by our own hands through science. The latter is already happening. I recall a very interesting thread on AH a while back which asked something along the lines of "how many here would have died without medical intervention?". The result was a majority*. So that majority are reproducing now when in the past they'd not have been able to. That's evolution too.
Many scientists argue that it is resulting in a stagnation of the species though since it is no longer the case that weaker specimens and mutations die off, instead they also go on to reproduce, impairing the process of natural selection, and as a result slowing evolution. Childhood mortality rates are a tiny fraction of what they were in the 1800's. Instead technology now readily permits the weaker specimens to kill stronger ones.
In essense there it is quite possible that our rate of genetic development is inversely proportional to our rate of technological development.0 -
-
I'd give her one no problem
To keep the mods off my back (and get the angry feminists on instead lol); On the question of marriage though I think if that's what a woman wants then many of them go completely about it the wrong way. Riding around for 10 years at the back of Coppers probably won't convince a male in your social group to consider you as marriage material. Double standard ? Not always as not all men behave this way and many people might just reap what they sow. Even if a double standard it's still a practical consideration. It's a question of priorities.
As for myself, meeting my mate was totally random but it arose due to who I was at the time and I always saw myself settling down and having a bunch of kids so my goals were actually never to become ''that coppers guy.'' But while I was looking for something serious and being very fussy about it , hundreds of women were living the sex in the city lifestyle and believing they could have it all. But just look at most of the characters in the show and their problems. They partied for so long and in the end most were looking for marriage and kids out of haggard menopausal desperation instead of it being something nice and natural and normal that happened at the right time. There are similar newspaper articles I have read where single childless women of a certain age state how they lived life their own way yet they have regrets. Looking at the biography they present , you never see them acknowledge how stupid they were when they for example dated sometimes very long term who was 22 year old when they were 35. And you rarely see them acknowledge all the stupid dating decisions they made which sabotaged their goals instead of helped fulfilled them.0 -
I'd give her one no problem
Christ.To keep the mods off my back (and get the angry feminists on instead lol); On the question of marriage though I think if that's what a woman wants then many of them go completely about it the wrong way. Riding around for 10 years at the back of Coppers probably won't convince a male in your social group to consider you as marriage material. Double standard ? Not always as not all men behave this way and many people might just reap what they sow. Even if a double standard it's still a practical consideration. It's a question of priorities.
As for myself, meeting my mate was totally random but it arose due to who I was at the time and I always saw myself settling down and having a bunch of kids so my goals were actually never to become ''that coppers guy.'' But while I was looking for something serious and being very fussy about it , hundreds of women were living the sex in the city lifestyle and believing they could have it all. But just look at most of the characters in the show and their problems. They partied for so long and in the end most were looking for marriage and kids out of haggard menopausal desperation instead of it being something nice and natural and normal that happened at the right time. There are similar newspaper articles I have read where single childless women of a certain age state how they lived life their own way yet they have regrets. Looking at the biography they present , you never see them acknowledge how stupid they were when they for example dated sometimes very long term who was 22 year old when they were 35. And you rarely see them acknowledge all the stupid dating decisions they made which sabotaged their goals instead of helped fulfilled them.
Yes mate. Very double standard.
The rest of your lazy characterisations aren't worth addressing tbh.0 -
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Join Date:Posts: 59144
That kinda presupposes that A) evolution has a "plan" andMany scientists argue that it is resulting in a stagnation of the species though since it is no longer the case that weaker specimens and mutations die off, instead they also go on to reproduce, impairing the process of natural selection, and as a result slowing evolution. Childhood mortality rates are a tiny fraction of what they were in the 1800's. Instead technology now readily permits the weaker specimens to kill stronger ones.
In essense there it is quite possible that our rate of genetic development is inversely proportional to our rate of technological development.
that technology isn't part of evolution. Clearly it has been in the case of B. We're the top predator on the planet, yet we're weak, pretty slow with tiny teeth unsuited for such a purpose. Didn't matter as we made teeth from stone and then from metal. Without those technologies, technologies going back 2 million years, more of us would have died. The very second our brains kicked in we changed the face of evolution on this planet. We're the first species on this planet that drove our own evolution. The handaxe and the anti biotic and genetic engineering are one and the same in this.
Our current social engineering and science just continues the process I reckon. Very few men and women reading this would have survived beyond childhood 50,000 years ago, yet here we all are, living long lives because we made the better hand axe. Our evolution will continue to be shaped and marriage and kids or lack thereof for women and men will be part of that.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
0 -
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
That kinda presupposes that A) evolution has a "plan" and that technology isn't part of evolution. Clearly it has been in the case of B. We're the top predator on the planet, yet we're weak, pretty slow with tiny teeth unsuited for such a purpose. Didn't matter as we made teeth from stone and then from metal. Without those technologies, technologies going back 2 million years, more of us would have died. The very second our brains kicked in we changed the face of evolution on this planet. We're the first species on this planet that drove our own evolution. The handaxe and the anti biotic and genetic engineering are one and the same in this.
Our current social engineering and science just continues the process I reckon. Very few men and women reading this would have survived beyond childhood 50,000 years ago, yet here we all are, living long lives because we made the better hand axe. Our evolution will continue to be shaped and marriage and kids or lack thereof for women and men will be part of that.
Agree.
Isn't possible though, even likely, that he societal focus on marriage, from which children usually follow, could endanger the future of the species?
Or at least endanger or slow the positive development of the species?
If the current rates of global population growth continue as projected it's not going to be a pleasant life for future generations, which imo will affect positive evolution (if there is such a thing) and development.
Do we want see more decade-long oil wars? Or watch Egypt and Ethopia*, for example, fighting water wars when smaller populations in each country could live less stressful lives?
If you keep adding chickens to a pen of finite size, they'll freak out and start pecking each other to death.
Marriage now, if not in the past, adds to the rate at which chickens are added to the pen.
It's easy for me to say this sitting in the developed world, but I think it'd be more beneficial to society/the species/development if we didn't have a narrow focus on marriage'n'kids.
If career, particularly in the STEM fields, were presented as more of a positive option, especially in Ireland.
*the population of Ethiopia has gone from 40million to 80million since the eighties.0 -
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
Advertisement