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Canals - Ulster Earne

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Wild Bill wrote: »

    I love canals, tbh. there is a lot of good work going on restoring them and we actually did build a new one in the early 1990s when we joined the Shannon to the Erne system.

    But as for canals in Ireland for transport infrastructure...:pac::D:pac::D:pac:

    "Shannon to Erne system" isn't new build. It's reopening of the Ballinmore-Ballyconnell Canal which was built between 1846 and 1860 and only stayed opened for 9 years before closing in 1869 (arrival or railways put paid to that)

    Of course it's a combination of Canal, lake navigation and canalised river.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    dubhthach wrote: »
    "Shannon to Erne system" isn't new build. It's reopening of the Ballinmore-Ballyconnell Canal which was built between 1846 and 1860 and only stayed opened for 9 years before closing in 1869 (arrival or railways put paid to that)

    Of course it's a combination of Canal, lake navigation and canalised river.

    I know that! I also read the Wikipedia article :)

    But is was like building a paved road over a bridal path - I'm counting it as new :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    I know that! I also read the Wikipedia article :)

    But is was like building a paved road over a bridal path - I'm counting it as new :D

    It's even more fun when you've read the book on the topic published in 1972 when the idea of reopening it would have seemed far-fetched.

    book-The_Ballinamore_and_Ballyconnell_Canal.jpg

    By and large the reopening consisted of new lock chambers which were to the same dimensions to the old ones. The were no new canal dug and the route wasn't altered. The same idea of course is proposed for the Ulster Canal with new wider locks, given how Ulster Canal had narrowest Locks on the island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    By the way I should point out that "Irish Waterways History" is a great site, he really lays into the proposals regarding the Ulster Canal and the amount of taxpayer money been looked for with regards to it's proposed restoration.

    http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    theres quite a bit on that canal in the famous Patterson book on the Cavan and Leitrim railway too


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,186 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    monument wrote: »
    'Nuff said?

    You're thinking of canals of days gone by. The planned Seine Nord Europe Canal fits ships which can hold up to 4,400 ton.

    You're comparing apples and oranges. Or more so peanuts to coconuts.

    How much would the same route cost as a motorway, with the same tonnage capacity? How much would each cost over their life time? How would each affect the cost of transport? What are the environmental impacts of

    Canals clearly are not obsolete give the tonnage they carry worldwide. And not obsolete for leasure.
    I stand corrected on the Seine-Nord. It's a much bigger canal than normal. However, apart from the Netherlands, Belgium and the Rhine-Ruhr area of Germany, their modal share is negligible - and would be so in Ireland too.

    And they are only used for leisure activities because most of them no longer have any other practical use. They certainly were not built with leisure uses in mind. Railways made most of them obsolete centuries ago for freight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    dubhthach wrote: »
    By the way I should point out that "Irish Waterways History" is a great site, he really lays into the proposals regarding the Ulster Canal and the amount of taxpayer money been looked for with regards to it's proposed restoration.

    http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/

    Very interesting site and I thought that I was negative. However, I think that he is entirely wrong about the restoration of the Ulster Canal. There's no doubt that the usage of the Royal and Grand Canals is dismal but that could be put right with some innovation. UK expertise could should be brought in to jizz up things ASAP but won't be as long as Failte Ireland etc are planning the so-called tourism industry. I don't mean rubbish consultants but rather people involved in the day to day operation and promotion of Britain's waterways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    corktina wrote: »
    theres quite a bit on that canal in the famous Patterson book on the Cavan and Leitrim railway too



    Have you ever looked at the disused canal on the N72 near Mallow.. I always ment to take a few pics and post them here actually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Very interesting site and I thought that I was negative. However, I think that he is entirely wrong about the restoration of the Ulster Canal. There's no doubt that the usage of the Royal and Grand Canals is dismal but that could be put right with some innovation. UK expertise could should be brought in to jizz up things ASAP but won't be as long as Failte Ireland etc are planning the so-called tourism industry. I don't mean rubbish consultants but rather people involved in the day to day operation and promotion of Britain's waterways.

    Well no doubt his main opposition to just the idea of opening the "Clones canal" eg. spending €35m just to get a connection between Clones and the Erne. If ye gonna spend money on canal restore the whole thing and you'd have a navigation from Coleraine to Limerick (now there's a combination!)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Have you ever looked at the disused canal on the N72 near Mallow.. I always ment to take a few pics and post them here actually.

    yep. Well aware of that rarity...not many canals "down south"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭dogmatix


    Question:
    (1)What canal is this?
    (2)What village was the pic taken in?
    (3)What year was it taken?

    1. The grand canal?
    2. Robertstown?
    3. No idea - but those road signs look like 80kmh ones so sometime over the last 10 years...


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 bjg


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    Have you ever looked at the disused canal on the N72 near Mallow.. I always ment to take a few pics and post them here actually.

    Some pics here:

    Lombardstown to Mallow Canal
    bjg


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 bjg


    Taken looking downstream from the bridge at Vicarstown on the Grand Canal Barrow Line. I don't know the year, I'm afraid. bjg


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 bjg


    corktina wrote: »
    yep. Well aware of that rarity...not many canals "down south"

    Here are some pics of the Tralee Ship Canal and some of the Blackwater, Bride and Lismore Canal.

    bjg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    dogmatix wrote: »
    Question:
    (1)What canal is this?
    (2)What village was the pic taken in?
    (3)What year was it taken?

    1. The grand canal?
    2. Robertstown?
    3. No idea - but those road signs look like 80kmh ones so sometime over the last 10 years...

    Sorry! Close but no cigar :(
    (1) Grand Canal - yes - but a branch of it.
    (2) It is of course in the Irish midlands - but not Robertstown.
    (3) Yes, within the past 10 years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,726 ✭✭✭jd


    There are some canals in South Wexford.
    The Ballybrennan Canal in the South Slobs
    http://iwn.iwai.ie/v27i3/navigationnews.PDF
    4398168612_d6c2b0bd7d.jpg


    and the Bridgetown canal at Ballyteigue
    http://slaney.iwai.ie/btown_hist.htm
    http://slaney.iwai.ie/btown.html

    mvc-860f.jpg

    Also the Castlebridge Canal
    http://iwn.iwai.ie/v26i4/V264P19b.php3


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 bjg


    Very interesting site and I thought that I was negative. However, I think that he is entirely wrong about the restoration of the Ulster Canal.

    Here I am being negative about another proposed restoration, that of the Park Canal in Limerick. bjg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    It looks like the restoration of the Ulster Canal is progressing with a PIN now published and SAQ documents expected to be published on October 20th;

    Only 600m but it, the new marina, refurbished Canal Stores and the amenity area will be a great facility for Clones. Phase 3 will be the vast majority of the route but no indication on when it will be funded.


    Unfortunately the planning documents are not available on the Monaghan Co Co website. Some more info on the project and CGI clips can be seen here;




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    I'd probably have put this in the Greenway thread instead of a thread from 2012! 🤔

    Do you know if Phase 1 has a cycleway? I have it on my map as 'planned' but will happily update if that's wrong! (Maybe there's no plans for a towpath there...)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The Greenway element here is pretty small, I thought that the restoration of the canal was more noteworthy. It didn't seem worth creating a new thread when the existing canal thread fits the bill perfectly!

    I don't think Phase 1 includes a cycle way, it was mainly dredging an existing river to make it navigatable. This is from the link I provided above;

    Phase 1 was completed in 2019 and is open to the public. It included c.2.5 kilometres of new river navigation along the River Finn between Quivvy Lough and Castle Saunderson. The work programme involved the dredging of the River Finn, construction of a new lateral canal and navigation arch at Derrykerrib bridge and the installation of new floating jetty at Castle Saunderson. This element of the project cost €3m.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mod: I tried to move this toa new thread but did not succeed. Sorry about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Why would you move it to a new thread? This thread is about canals and I posted about a canal. There is no point in creating a new thread.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mod: This thread was started a decade ago. It would be better for a new thread.



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