Pit bulls.

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I would just like peoples opinions on this breed of dog. I cannot say I have had any negative experiences with PBT myself but they do seem to have a very bad rep.

I have 2 dogs,both rescue animals and when I take them out and let them off the lead for a run I am always scared that they would encounter a PBT. Whenever I do see someone with a PB, I immeadiately put my dog back on their leads,and yet I dont worry when it is a Lab or a German Shep or even a Rottie.

The lady whom I got the dogs from told me they are only bred for attack and in reality cannot be trained, she also said they are the only breed she would refuse to take into her animal rescue centre.

Am I over reacting, is it media hype that has me thinking this way,or am I correct not to trust these dogs?

kildare.17hmr

Well that woman doesnt know much about dogs if thats her attitude:rolleyes: Its all down to owners NOT dogs

Doom

A knackers dog, generally seen with chicken sh1ts, to make them look tougher.
If you ever hear about a dog mauling someone its one of these or a cross of one.

belongtojazz

I think you were fed drivel by that lady!!
Pitbulls who are raised correctly pose no more threat than any other correctly raised dog... Any dog raised incorrectly can cause problems, because pitbulls are strong and unfortunately associated with a particular type of young gurrier they have developed an undeserved reputation.

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I guess it true about the owners to a degree, but is it not a fact that these dogs were only ever bred for fighting? Also dont they have lock jaws? Thats a pretty scary thought.

I just have a fear,irrational or not,that one day one of my dogs will be destroyed by one of these animals.

The lady in the aniaml rescue centre said she would trust any breed, even a staff,but not a Pit bull.

Richard tea

Doom wrote: »

A knackers dog, generally seen with chicken sh1ts, to make them look tougher.
If you ever hear about a dog mauling someone its one of these or a cross of one.

posting that here is considered worse than posting a pic of mohamad in the islam forum:eek:

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Richard tea wrote: »

posting that here is considered worse than posting a pic of mohamad in the islam forum:eek:

LOL LOL LOL!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

DamagedTrax

beautiful dogs if we're talking about the american pit breed. like all bullies they live to the max and are in love with people.




the problem is the term "pit bull" is used by ignorant people to describe anything that looks aggresive and has a big square head (usually a x-breed rarely containing pit bloodlines). i've had my staffie called a pitbull many times, once by a copper.

antocann

PBT are great dogs , like any other breed
they get a bad rep from the idiot owners who cant care for them

once trained, they are loyal and a great pet for children same as staffys

DamagedTrax

youtube! wrote: »

but is it not a fact that these dogs were only ever bred for fighting? Also dont they have lock jaws?

the pit was bred to be powerful and fearless and is then trained by humans to fight. they can be a little off with other dogs sometimes but so can some staffies.

and the lock jaw is an urban myth. they just have very powerful jaws.

Zapperzy

It's all down to the owner and not the breed. No breed is more likely to attack you or your dogs due to the fact it's x,y or z breed. It's all down the the owners and not the dogs, unfortunately some breeds attract scumbag owners who buy these dogs just as a d*ck extension. The majority of bull breed (staffys, pit bulls, bulldogs, bull terriers) owners are responsible people but unfortunately the minority ruins it for the majority.

Regardless of what breed it is when you see another dog on a lead coming you should be putting your dog on a lead out of courtesy. Pit bulls aren't actually that common in this country, it's more than likely staffordshire bull terriers you are seeing. Another breed that is NOT predisposed to aggressiveness. That rescue woman who told you that is talking bullpoop, I'm surprised that someone who is supposed to be experienced with dogs is talking such crap.

Find the pit bull: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html See can you pick out which one is a pit bull!

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DamagedTrax wrote: »

the pit was bred to be powerful and fearless and is then trained by humans to fight. they can be a little off with other dogs sometimes but so can some staffies.

and the lock jaw is an urban myth. they just have very powerful jaws.

See thats what scares me! A fearless dog who will fight its corner AND has powerful jaws would destroy my little dogs! Do you get where I am coming from??

username123

Considering the subject is pitbulls and the OP is youtube! Im surprised the OP has never watched this.

Now tell me pitbulls cant be trained and are not safe?

meoklmrk91

DamagedTrax wrote: »

the pit was bred to be powerful and fearless and is then trained by humans to fight. they can be a little off with other dogs sometimes but so can some staffies.

and the lock jaw is an urban myth. they just have very powerful jaws.

All correct, yes they can be a little off with other dogs at times, usually down to poor socialisation, but believe me I have met many a staffie and pitbull and I would be far more weary of putting my hands near a yorkie, westie, bichon, chihuahua etc. as those little feckers are often babied and spoilt to the nth degree and will not thick twice about snapping at you.

Pitbulls are not in my opinion any more viscous than any other breed, however they are more dangerous than a lot of the other breeds as they have serious power in their jaw muscles and that is where the damage is done. So are they a bad dog, no, but dangerous in the wrong hands, yes.

DamagedTrax

listen anyone that owns a bull breed and has any sense keeps them on a lead and muzzled in public. those that dont are either 100% confident in their dogs and very capable of controling them or they are idiots that shouldnt be allowed near the breed.

if its the 2nd type of owner that you encounter theres little to be done but avoid them. we're all in the same boat, nobody likes to see a dog off the lead that is obviously aggresive.

but remember any breed can be aggresive, the pit is just easier to pick on at the moment. remember when rothweilers were "dangerous"? or dobermans?

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username123 wrote: »

Considering the subject is pitbulls and the OP is youtube! Im surprised the OP has never watched this.

Now tell me pitbulls cant be trained and are not safe?

Thats a sweet video

tk123

OP how often do you meet pitbulls on walks?

username123

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Thats a sweet video

Watch more of them, theres plenty of sweet pitbulls out there!

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Zapperzy wrote: »

It's all down to the owner and not the breed. No breed is more likely to attack you or your dogs due to the fact it's x,y or z breed. It's all down the the owners and not the dogs, unfortunately some breeds attract scumbag owners who buy these dogs just as a d*ck extension. The majority of bull breed (staffys, pit bulls, bulldogs, bull terriers) owners are responsible people but unfortunately the minority ruins it for the majority.

Regardless of what breed it is when you see another dog on a lead coming you should be putting your dog on a lead out of courtesy. Pit bulls aren't actually that common in this country, it's more than likely staffordshire bull terriers you are seeing. Another breed that is NOT predisposed to aggressiveness. That rescue woman who told you that is talking bullpoop, I'm surprised that someone who is supposed to be experienced with dogs is talking such crap.

Find the pit bull: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html See can you pick out which one is a pit bull!

I have to say this was an eye opener to me, I went through 16 dogs before picking the right one!!
And in the end the PBT looked a lot smaller to what I thought they were, now I have to figure out if I am even looking at a genuine PBT when I am out!:pac:

Cherry Blossom

Does anyone here have a link to the reasoning behind why the PBT was chosen as the dog for the logo for HMV records? I've read it before but can't find it now.

DamagedTrax

mixing up a pitbull and staffie is the most common mistake people make.

pitbull






my staffie girl dolly

TooManyDogs

DamagedTrax wrote: »

the pit was bred to be powerful and fearless and is then trained by humans to fight. they can be a little off with other dogs sometimes but so can some staffies.

How a dog is reared is paramount to how they will behave. That comes above all else.
You also will have breed tendancies, but people need to make sure they understand exactly what the actual breed tendancies are and not what some randomer told them they are.

So yeah, often bull breeds can be 'a little off' with other dogs, I always describe it as having a lower boiling point, so they might be a little quicker into a confrontation than another breed, not that they're out to rip every dog they see asunder.

Every breed has traits in them that are temptered by rearing and training. Not every greyhound is going to chase down cats or small dogs, not all JRTs are going to kill the family rabbit, not all cocker spaniels are great with people, and sometimes the beautiful golden retriever can be visious.

To base your reaction on the breed of the dog coming toward yours rather than on the approaching dog's behaviour is simply foolish. All dogs have the same body language, if you learn it you'll be able to tell a dog who wants to be friends from a nervous dog from an aggressive dog and be able to react accordingly.

As everyone is sick of saying forget about the breed and focus on the deed, as in focus on the behaviour of the individual dog

TooManyDogs

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Does anyone here have a link to the reasoning behind why the PBT was chosen as the dog for the logo for HMV records? I've read it before but can't find it now.

The dog in HMV logo is a Parson Russell terrier as far as I'm aware...

chris139ryan

I own one of these bull breeds. when im out for a walk with him everyone adores him except for the people who are uneducated and think he will savage anything and anyone who comes near it.
the only thing that will help with these type of dogs or any type of powerful dog is to educate people properly.
regarding bruno with other dogs he great, tends to be a bit boisterious (cant spell it) but what bull breeds arn't. as bruno is only 15weeks old i dont put a muzzle on him but i will when he gets bigger so people feel that bit safer around him.
if you are around dublin and would like to see how one of these bull breeds interact with your dogs i would be happy to volunteer bruno to help you change your views on bull breed

Cherry Blossom

TooManyDogs wrote: »

The dog in HMV logo is a Parson Russell terrier as far as I'm aware...

Well I'm extremely confused as to what it was I read now, and it's no wonder I can't find it.

Latatian

I'd think of them like other terriers- more likely than an average dog to be snappy or cross with other dogs, and capable of killing animals easily. No more so than jack russells or kerry blues or any of them, really.

Less likely statistically to be aggressive than dachshunds or yorkshire terriers, not as strong in the jaw as some rottweilers and labradors (in terms of the bite strengths of individual dogs measured so far). They don't do too badly in temperament tests generally either. Not too common here so I haven't met any.

pudzey101

Well iv 2 staffies and there pure harmless there the 2 best guard dogs iv ever owned, but if anyone actually did break in, all they would do is lick them to death lol
Dont blame the breed, blame the owner and what way they treat him.
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odi0XlI-4_g
As you will see in the video, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are the most loving and kindest of breeds, they are a family dog, who need to be included, loved and treated with respect... give them this and they will be your friend for life...

keithb93

My dad has a pit bull and a staffy. Never had a problem with them around other dogs or my little sisters, even though the pitbull was abused before he was rescued. The neighbour even rang the gards because of the dogs for no reason. I do understand the fear people have of pitbulls though because even their bark scares the sh1te out of me.

The pitbull was attacked as a pup by a german shepherd before we rescued him and if he saw one while out walking there is nothing you can do to stop him attacking it. They is very dangerous in that sense as you don't know what emotions are raised if an abused pit see's your dog and has some bad memories.

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Thanx to all who took the time to reply...I am certainly more at ease now.

Shanao

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Does anyone here have a link to the reasoning behind why the PBT was chosen as the dog for the logo for HMV records? I've read it before but can't find it now.

Nipper, the dog in the logo, was supposedly a fox terrier and the logo was inspired by this painting called His Master's Voice, painted back in the late 1800s. It has however been debated on just what breed he is and people have claimed he's a JRT, PBT, a dalmatian, a rat terrier. Most likely I'd say he was probably a mix


Anyway, OP, I've trained and worked with a good few different breeds and always found the bullies some of the most easygoing. I have an akita, another 'dangerous' breed according to the media and he's a complete and utter slob. I'm currently thinking of having him trained as a therapy dog because he's very gentle with even young kids and people in wheelchairs. Its all down to the owner of the dog. And the pit bull was originally bred to fight bulls, hence the name. Unfortunately, people then began to breed them to fight but thankfully the responsible breeders are now breeding away from the aggressive lines.

doctor evil

With regards to nature and nurture I feel it is both and can never be just one or the other.