Association of Catholic Priests accuses media of being anti-Catholic and anti-priest.

the culture of deference

BOO HOO

The Association of Catholic Priests has accused some sections of the media, including RTE, of being anti-Catholic and anti-priest.


Are we living in father ted land?

What the fcuk is wrong with these fools

"for many years, priest and religious had been reluctant to engage in public debate on issues related to the church because they did not want to add to the suffering of genuine abuse victims,"


Eh no Ted. There was no public debate because you hid all the evidence



http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1119/acp.html

Biggins

The church accused them of being insincere.
(http://www.thejournal.ie/catholic-priests-group-accuses-rte-of-insincerity-over-fr-reynolds-apology-283923-Nov2011/)

LOL The irony!

plein de force

So an organisation covers up and aids(through moving them around and non reporting) the rape and torture of irish children and they expect the media or anyone else to be favourable towards them? Delusional

krudler

Awwwwww, poor church, its nice to see under all that wealth and corruption they still care about their public image I guess, they just need a really good pr agent.

gigino

the culture of deference wrote: »

The Association of Catholic Priests has accused some sections of the media, including RTE, of being anti-Catholic and anti-priest.

For too many decades almost every time you turned on an rte programme there was a priest on it. Even now the Catholic Church gets two minutes prime time free each day with its Angelus broadcast. And manys a time when a priest is found guilty of abuse its not reported on RTE. And now it says RTE is anti-Catholic and anti-priest ! :rolleyes:

Phill Ewinn

Forget about the wrong doers and keep your faith in God.

Dotrel

John Charles McQuaid must be spinning in his grave right now.

gigino

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054674/Roman-Catholic-churchs-paedophile-investigator-jailed-possessing-thousnds-child-porn-images.html

"Roman Catholic church's paedophile investigator jailed for possessing thousands of child porn images" No mention of that on RTE

oppenheimer1

Before you go and bash as usual, could people actually read what he actually says? Just because, you know, he might actually have a point.

Dudess

I only see or hear objections to the abuse rather than attacks of all priests/Catholics in general. It's just a strawman along similar lines to "Criticism of Israel's state policies = anti semitism". They know it's bullsh1t but need something to make them look like victims of persecution.

Nodin

Dotrel wrote: »

John Charles McQuaid must be spinning in his grave right now.

...could this be harnessed to produce electricity, I wonder....

ejmaztec

the culture of deference wrote: »

The Association of Catholic Priests has accused some sections of the media, including RTE, of being anti-Catholic and anti-priest.

They got something right for once.

Table Top Joe

gigino wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054674/Roman-Catholic-churchs-paedophile-investigator-jailed-possessing-thousnds-child-porn-images.html

"Roman Catholic church's paedophile investigator jailed for possessing thousands of child porn images" No mention of that on RTE

Wow....thats pretty bad even by RCC standards,what can more can be said about them at this stage? i give up

Teclo

They are right. About 96% of historical child abuses cases have been identified as involving abusers other than Catholic clergy but 99% of media comment on child abuse relates only to clergy. The state's own child welfare systems are know to be dysfunctional but nobody cares.

gigino

Teclo wrote: »

About 96% of historical child abuses cases have been identified as involving abusers other than Catholic clergy

so 4% of abusers were catholic clergy. And another x% were religous brothers etc.

but catholic priests comprise only 00.1% of the population. just over 3000, out of the states population of over 4,000,000.

The scandal in the RCC was not just the abuse which went on but the cover-up of the abuse, and moving offenders to other parishes instead of reporting them etc. Even today if a Priest confesses to an other Priests, they use the seal of confession. Sad what damage this celibate group of old men - who had the audacity to lecture us on moral matters - did to society.

Dudess

Teclo wrote: »

They are right. About 96% of historical child abuses cases have been identified as involving abusers other than Catholic clergy but 99% of media comment on child abuse relates only to clergy. The state's own child welfare systems are know to be dysfunctional but nobody cares.

I don't think anyone denies that abusers aren't just priests, but the intense outrage stems from the church's enabling of any abuse, by covering it up/turning a blind eye.

smk89

The media arn't anti-catholic... just anti-pedofile

Teclo

gigino wrote: »

so 4% of abusers were catholic clergy. And another x% were religous brothers etc.

but catholic priests comprise only 00.1% of the population. just over 3000, out of the states population of over 4,000,000.

The scandal in the RCC was not just the abuse which went on but the cover-up of the abuse, and moving offenders to other parishes instead of reporting them etc. Even today if a Priest confesses to an other Priests, they use the seal of confession. Sad what damage this celibate group of old men - who had the audacity to lecture us on moral matters - did to society.

I used the word 'identified', the figure for abuse that happens in families is likely to be hugely underestimated. Exactly how many non-historical cases of abuse by clergy have been identified in the past 10 or 15 years? I believe there was one about a decade ago. In the US, during 2009 there were just 6 claims made by children. That out of a Catholic child population of many many million. The fact is that there are thousands of children being abused and neglected in this country today. That the media doesn't bang on about this everyday(as they would if Catholic services were responsible for their welfare) and that the government is reducing resources to the relevant agencies could be described as Irish society downplaying all this abuse.

Overheal

If they have a problem with it maybe they shouldn't be in the business of protecting and supporting pedophiles.

passarellaie

It is of course clear that an anti Catholic cabal exists within RTE.How otherwise can anyone explain the apalling treatment of FR.Reynolds by the prime time team of Aoife Kavenagh Brian Parceir and Ken O shea.These people were offered a paternity test by the priest but so consumed with hatred of the church was Radio Moscow that they went on and showed the propaganda piece anyway.
There are people here who criticize rightly the Church for the horrific crimes commited by priests but 2% of priests were involved while the state declared itself 100% absent in looking after these people.
Look at all the good work done by the church all over the country why arent the critics willing to take over this humanitarian work

stimpson

Teclo wrote: »

They are right. About 96% of historical child abuses cases have been identified as involving abusers other than Catholic clergy but 99% of media comment on child abuse relates only to clergy. The state's own child welfare systems are know to be dysfunctional but nobody cares.

"Say there are 100 million priests in the world and 10% of them are peadophiles. That's still only 10 million" - Fr Ted Crilly

KeithAFC

They are laughable. They should just accept their church is corrupt and has done wrong and stop making excuses for it. People are just rejecting Rome now.

Dudess

KeithAFC wrote: »

They are laughable. They should just accept their church is corrupt and has done wrong and stop making excuses for it. People are just rejecting Rome now.

Sectarian Protestants must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the revelations came to the fore.

Sykk

Stephen Fry sums it up in words I wish I could speak.. Worth the 10 min watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

Mike 1972

Teclo wrote: »

99% of media comment on child abuse relates only to clergy.

[citation needed]

vampire of kilmainham

that would be an ecumenical matter

KeithAFC

Dudess wrote: »

Sectarian Protestants must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the revelations came to the fore.

I don't think Protestants think like that.

vicwatson

they just need a really good pr agent.

And a very very very large grip on themselves :mad:

Slang_Tang

There is completely an anti-Catholic bias in the media, but it just reflects an anti-Catholic bias in the general population.

I think most people at this stage have a fatigue when it comes to the Catholic sex abuse scandal, the Magdalene laundries, etc. But it's important to remember the evils committed by the Catholic Church in this country. Any apologies they've offered so far have been half-hearted and have had to be literally forced out of them.

The Vatican has essentially given up on Ireland (and most of Europe) and is investing its energies in the developing world. Lots of countries and millions of people to corrupt with their bile in exchange for charity.

Slang_Tang

Dudess wrote: »

Sectarian Protestants must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the revelations came to the fore.

Not really. The collapse of support for the Church just mirrors a wider collapse of belief in Christianity in Europe.

You have to differentiate between religion and nationalism. Religion -- especially Catholicism -- has always been good at integrating itself into nationalist movements, which is why people often confuse Unionist vs. Republican with Catholic vs. Protestant in this country.

Anita M.

priests in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWh_QYvKjYE&feature=related

history of the priests; http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/128/215-med-revolutions-tyrants-and-wars/

priests hold a sale: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899

priests in real estate: http://banishedbabies-canada.blogspot.com/2011/10/canada-church-stole-native-land-by.html

and a dozen or so more of these...

Anita M.

5 mins of google. Have not seen em yet.

billybudd

As long as the RCC refuse to be transparent then people will always be wary of them, the only point they have is self preservation!

The way they see the world is that people have to suffer so they can exist and until they change this and many other draconian principles then the media have a right to scrutinise them and those like them and once the media have the facts right and correct then the church should keep quiet.

hatrickpatrick

No honestly lads, the money was just resting in my account...

John Doe1

The Association of Catolic priests can suck my atheist balls:pac:

AudreyHepburn

How about instead of resorting to mindless church bashing we all read what's being said and actually give it some proper thought.

The media does tend to focus on the clergy when it comes child abuse whether people like to admit or not.

Just look what they did to Fr. Kevin Reynolds.

billybudd

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How about instead of resorting to mindless church bashing we all read what's being said and actually give it some proper thought.

The media does tend to focus on the clergy when it comes child abuse whether people like to admit or not.

Just look what they did to Fr. Kevin Reynolds.

Sorry but they are just taking advantage of a priest being proved innocent, they deserve to be watched and scrutinised by the media.

AudreyHepburn

billybudd wrote: »

Sorry but they are just taking advantage of a priest being proved innocent, they deserve to be watched and scrutinised by the media.

Some of them do, not all of them.

Lets drop the self righteousness, it does no-one any favours.

Conor108

Reminded me of this....

thebullkf

Personally don't go to mass-religious etc, but there is a strong anti-catholic,anti church bias within the irish media,and on boards.ie i must say.


If the church were poor there wouldn't be half the media coverage IMO.

Not defending the ones moving priests around, but defending the ones that fed,clothed,and educated the less well off in society, especially in Ireland over the last 100 odd years.- never mind the work they did and do in third world countries that so called captains of industry ignore.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

Theres animals everywhere- shame the same scrutiny isn't used on our Health,Welfare and Education systems as the Church,by Media and ordinary Joe Soaps as well.

Its hip to hate the church.

billybudd

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Some of them do, not all of them.

Lets drop the self righteousness, it does no-one any favours.

past history and present dictates that the church needs to be closely monitored, self righteousness does not come into it, its common sense.

The fact is the church has failed good priests by not being transparent and not fixing problems within, without the media it would continue to harbour and hide deviants.

I believe in God and i believe good priests have the highest proper intentions, i also believe those in the vulnurable position to be in need of such services that the church provide should have a watchdog to protect them.

strobe

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Some of them do, not all of them.

Lets drop the self righteousness, it does no-one any favours.

Yes all of them. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

billybudd

thebullkf wrote: »

Personally don't go to mass-religious etc, but there is a strong anti-catholic,anti church bias within the irish media,and on boards.ie i must say.


If the church were poor there wouldn't be half the media coverage IMO.

Not defending the ones moving priests around, but defending the ones that fed,clothed,and educated the less well off in society, especially in Ireland over the last 100 odd years.- never mind the work they did and do in third world countries that so called captains of industry ignore.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

Theres animals everywhere- shame the same scrutiny isn't used on our Health,Welfare and Education systems as the Church,by Media and ordinary Joe Soaps as well.

Its hip to hate the church.

Because they have put themselves in a position of mistrust. you cannot undo attrocities over night and they will have to prove they have changed and put victims before reputation.

snafuk35

billybudd wrote: »

Because they have put themselves in a position of mistrust. you cannot undo attrocities over night and they will have to prove they have changed and put victims before reputation.

So basically that gives the media and any wingnut with a chip on his shoulder to attack the church forever.

The church should be rightly castigated for abuse of children and victims should be compensated, get their day in court, perpetrators should be punished and the whole truth should come out.

But the language used and the aggression shown toward Catholics being used at the moment goes beyond justice and has turned into open persecution, bigotry, hysteria and hatred.

I'm an atheist but I support religious freedom and as I see it the religious freedoms of Catholics are being trampled on by liberal atheist extremists in the media and politics. They seem to have a complete contempt for any religious practice whatsoever. There is also a vile intolerance and bigotry among young people.

I was on my way home from work a few months ago and I witnessed a man screaming into the face of a priest outside Trinity College. The priest looked terrified while other people passed him doing nothing. Students were standing around laughing. I am ashamed that I did not step in and kick the hysteric in the balls like I should of done.

I reminded me of a scene in Schindler's List when a rabbi had his locks cut off by a group of SS men. The laughter and the contempt I saw toward the priest chilled me to the core.

billybudd

If the church or a priest is wrongly acused just like fr.reynolds then they will clear they're name through the courts, like good and bad priests there is good and bad media.

It is vital that the media act as a watchdog and history dictates that government cannot be trusted.

snafuk35

John Doe1 wrote: »

The Association of Catolic priests can suck my atheist balls:pac:

There is no place for bigotry like that in a civilised society. You should do a big rethink pal. You are going to have to share the world with people with different beliefs.

Anita M.

But the guilty priests should be in jail and they are not.
I dont mind sharing the world but everyone in its place eh.

snafuk35

Anita M. wrote: »

But the guilty priests should be in jail and they are not.
I dont mind sharing the world but everyone in its place eh.

But all priests are being accused of being pedos purely because they are priests.
There is open derision of the Catholic religion that goes beyond the issue of abuse of children and natural justice. Their very belief system is being held up to ridicule which is bigotry and hatred.
Priests who have devoted themselves all their lives to helping the homeless, helping struggling people, fundraising for good causes, burying the dead, blessing the sick and much more and have committed no crime are being tarred with the same brush.
This is just plain wrong.
There is a hysterical ugly lynch mob mentality that is fashionable among seemingly liberal people.
Any Catholic who speaks out about any issue is being shouted down by bigots.

Teclo

Anita M. wrote: »

But the guilty priests should be in jail and they are not.
I dont mind sharing the world but everyone in its place eh.

• Who are these priests?
• What laws have they broken?
• Have you reported them to the authorities?

Anita M.

One ryan report further and nothing happened. Even the buildings of Artane and the likes are still there, reminding the victims. They tell of the priests but no one does anything. Now you wonder why a deranged man in the street shouts at a priest? The guilty priests should be in jail!

gigino

Anita M. wrote: »

The guilty priests should be in jail!

there is not enough space in jails for them all.