Training Certificate ?for over 14teen year old

niall_b73

hi all just a couple of simple questions that i dont see the answer to on any of the other pages:

1. does a 14 year old that wants to apply for the training certificate need to do a comptency test first ?

2 how much is it for a 14 year old to get the training certificate ?

thanks for your help in advance.

niall_b73

meathshooter1

AFAIK training cert is €40, don't know about the competency test.one of my sons is looking for me to get him one,get the person whose gun you'll be using and supervising you to ring your local station and ask the guard that deals with firearms or the supers office

niall_b73

meathshooter1 wrote: »

AFAIK training cert is €40, don't know about the competency test.one of my sons is looking for me to get him one,get the person whose gun you'll be using and supervising you to ring your local station and ask the guard that deals with firearms or the supers office

thanks mate got it sorted, he will have to do his comptency test and also spend a day training at shooting to see if he is fit for it.

niall_b73

Cass

niall_b73 wrote: »

............ he will have to do his comptency test and also spend a day training at shooting to see if he is fit for it................

Do you mind me asking where you got this info?

As i see it the training cert is not a full license, and only allows a person to use another's firearm under the control, and supervision of the firearm owner. Never solo. How would a competency course be required for this?

Also the day training? Where is that coming from?

Vizzy

The way I would read that Ez, is that he does the competency test so he is competent to carry the firearm.Then he applies for the training cert which allows him to possess(i.e carry) the firearm under supervision,never alone.He would not be able to licence the firearm.
Was discussing this with a lad in my club some time ago and he was advising me to get my 15 year old to do the same.

According to the Garda Commissioners guidelines there is no requirement to actually do the competency test but I assume that it would certainly better to have done it when you are applying for the training cert.

Cass

The reason i ask is people are being told they need a competency course for a training cert as its the same FCA1 used to apply irrespective of the license type.

Now my point is. A training cert by its very definition means a "learners permit" to allow the person to use the firearm under the strict supervision of the original licensee/firearm owner. A competency course is designed to show the Gardai that a person is competent in the safe handling and usage of a firearm so as to be licensed on one. If a competency course was done for a training license then it stands to reason that the person is aptly able to use a firearm, on their own so the training cert is void/moot.

I'm kinda talking in circles here, but what i'm getting at is if a training cert is issued there should be, and AFAIK there is, no requirement to have completed a safety course first.

niall_b73

Vizzy wrote: »

The way I would read that Ez is that he does the competency test so he is competent to carry the firearm but that he would only be allowed to do so under supervision,never alone.Nor would he be able to licence the firearm.
Was discussing this with a lad in my club some time ago and he was advising me to get my 15 year old to do the same

You got in 1.
No he will not be aloud to licence a gun under his own name untill he is 18 or whatever age it is law to do so.
But he still has to do the comptency test like the name says to see if he is compitent to hold and use a gun.
Also doing some shooting with the instructor to make sure he can handle it

niall_b73

Cass

niall_b73 wrote: »

No he will not be allowed to licence a gun under his own name untill he is 18 or whatever age it is law to do so.
But he still has to do the comptency test like the name says to see if he is compitent to hold and use a gun.
Also doing some shooting with the instructor to make sure he can handle it

On who's authority are you doin this. I'm not arguing the validity of the course or even that its a bad idea, but i'm curious to know where you are getting this info that he HAS do it.

Also the legal age for a full license of his own is 16.

Kieron854

im sorry but how can a young lad do a course without a licence as it would be illegal for a clay ground to allow him use a gun witout one . the whole point of these licences is to control the likes of clay grounds or game clubs giving a lad that just arrives up a shot before hes the age .
sounds like the super might be putting a catch 22 together

garv123

Kieron854 wrote: »

im sorry but how can a young lad do a course without a licence as it would be illegal for a clay ground to allow him use a gun witout one . the whole point of these licences is to control the likes of clay grounds or game clubs giving a lad that just arrives up a shot before hes the age .
sounds like the super might be putting a catch 22 together

You can shoot a shotgun at a clay ground as a guest without a licence. I know people who done it as part of a stag do. I myself and 2 of the lads fired 30 shots each at clays using a shotgun belong to a RFD at a clay charity event thing.


I didnt think you'd need a competence cert for a training licence. seems to defeat the purpose of a training licence.

Cass

Shotgun ranges are not held to the same standards as a rifle range. Allowances are made on both type of ranges for persons to hold, and if necessary use a firearm for the purpose of completing a training/safety/competency course.

In relation to the training license competency course. I have checked and re-checked every piece of legislation, SI, Act, etc that i can think of, and can find nothing about HAVING to complete a course.

The fact is a training license IS NOT a firearms license. It comes preset with certain conditions. For example;

• The trainee CANNOT be in possession of the firearm on their own.
• The person accompanying them MUST be over 18.
• The person accompanying them MUST hold a full, valid license for the firearm being used.
• The firearm MUST be stored at the premises/home of the original license holder.
• The trainee MUST have a letter of consent from their parent/Guardian.

By my reckoning for the reasons above, and more, the training cert. is not a firearms license, and does not have to comply with the regulations set out for an application for a full license. This includes a comptency course.

I've asked twice, but haven't gotten an answer yet, but i'd like to know who is instructing the OP or anyone else that has received the same "guidance" that this course must be done before applying.

Sparks

There is absolutely nothing in the law - and there was absolutely no desire to put anything in the law - that required a competency test for any licence applicant.
Someone who is getting a training cert puts down "will be learning/will do such-and-such-a-course/will do whatever" when asked about competency on the FCA1.
It was expected from the first mention of the training licence that the applicant would not be competent on day one, but would be learning under supervision. The entire structure of the law is drafted with that as a basic assumption.

I don't know who's going about running competency tests for applicants, but I'd be following the money generated by such an activity with enormous interest.

Bad enough we have to worry about courses run to get a licence (rather than to teach people something useful), without worrying about someone making up "tests" as well. I mean, there is no list of approved courses anywhere. Of any kind. You don't even need to do a course to meet the competency part of the application, it's all down to the Super you're applying to. So how could any test ever have any validity, when there isn't even an approved course in existence?

kildare.17hmr

Kieron854 wrote: »

im sorry but how can a young lad do a course without a licence as it would be illegal for a clay ground to allow him use a gun witout one . the whole point of these licences is to control the likes of clay grounds or game clubs giving a lad that just arrives up a shot before hes the age .<br />
sounds like the super might be putting a catch 22 together

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well Thats just complet wrong information anyway hope no one pays any attention to the above!<br />
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Just off the phone to my fo so put the question to them, no course required of any kind for a training cert, it would defeat the purpose of a training cert,