Willie O'Dea "unavailable for comment" Re: political donations story/Expenses

watchingthepols

Not like Willie O'Dea to be "unavailable for comment" to the local Limerick media. Usually he has a track worn to the door of media outlets.

But according to the Limerick Leader, in relation to this political donations story, "Mr O'Dea was unavailable for comment as the Limerick Leader went to press".

I waited a while before posting this to see if O'Dea would make any comment in a subsequent edition of the paper. however, I have yet to see any response to it by Mr O'Dea.

According to the Limerick Leader Willie O'Dea received €30,909 in political donations over the past twelve years..... "from source including Barringtons Medical Centre, haulier Brioan Cosgrave, consultancy firm OHB and Ballycummin businessman Tim Walsh. It was Mr Walsh who gave Mr O'Dea almost half his declared donations - almost €14,349 between 1999 and 2005."

The article continues "Some of Mr O'Dea's other donors were Fordmount Deevelopments (€1,750)- now effectiively owned by the state - Trinity rooms boss John Cox (€650) and Walsh Aluminium, based in the Ballysimon Road, which donated €1,000.

Mr O'Dea also received a donation from Plassey based company Piercom of €1,000. The founder of the firm, Charles Stanley-Smith, sat on the semi-state Information Society Commission which reported directly to then Taoiseach Bertie Ahern".

The Limerick politicians listed by the Limerick Leader were:

Willie O'Dea (FF) €30,909
Niall Collins (FF) €16,416
Peter Power (FF) €10,200
john Cregan (FF) €7,959
Michael Noonan (FG) €4,000
Kieran O'Donnell (FG) €1,055
Jan O'Sullivan (LAB) €4,810
Dan Neville (FG)......NO CONTRIBUTIONS

The full article was printed in the Limerick Leader while a shorter, truncated version appears here.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/donations_to_limerick_politicians_are_revealed_1_3173961

leakyboots

Fianna Fáil way out in front as usual

Grumpypants

A poll they can top this year

kippy

Isn't it amazing that we can buy politicians so easily.

CiaranMT

Don't worry, he'll be there next week decrying the potholes in his local estate, or the lack of pillars in King John's Castle, or commending the 5 inches of progress the Regen. Project has made so far.

RonMexico

Fordmount eh...

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/200m_liabilities_for_limerick_property_firm_1_2190973

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/1461-fordmount-directors-are-nama-solicitors.html

TheInquisitor

So let me get this straight. The most popular polititian in Limerick gets the most donations?

And per year this amounts to €5167 by the way. When you group several years of anything into one figure you can try to make it look big.

I expected him to be raking in hundreds of thousands in political donations from your thread title not a measly 30k over 6 years.

zuroph

Id agree these figures are surprisingly low.

kippy

TheInquisitor wrote: »

So let me get this straight. The most popular polititian in Limerick gets the most donations?

And per year this amounts to €5167 by the way. When you group several years of anything into one figure you can try to make it look big.

I expected him to be raking in hundreds of thousands in political donations from your thread title not a measly 30k over 6 years.

Thats 5K a year directly to him.
I've never gotten a donation from anyone ever. Why does he get them and what, if anything, does he do for it.
These are just declared donations, not insinuating anything else but that doesnt mean it is all he gets.
Also, the party fund most of the electioneering so not sure why any party politician should get any private donations at all.

Kinda reminds me of the big non-story that broke about Sean Gallagher.
In the year that Gallagher allegedly took that 5K for a 5K a seat "dinner" which was an FF fundraiser, FF only took in 12K in donations........
How did that work out I wonder? Loopholes in the reporting rules?

Cavehill Red

Dan Neville always has been the only straight bat in that town.

bullets

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Dan Neville always has been the only straight bat in that town.

I know nothing about the man but just realized I was in the same class in school as his son? Tom who appears to be a Councillor.
From what I recall the lad was pretty honest and of good character too.

~B

Aidric

TheInquisitor wrote: »

So let me get this straight. The most popular polititian in Limerick gets the most donations?

And per year this amounts to €5167 by the way. When you group several years of anything into one figure you can try to make it look big.

I expected him to be raking in hundreds of thousands in political donations from your thread title not a measly 30k over 6 years.

Agreed. Petty thread.

kippy

Aidric wrote: »

Agreed. Petty thread.

Is it? Why so?

seachto7

bullets wrote: »

I know nothing about the man but just realized I was in the same class in school as his son? Tom who appears to be a Councillor.
From what I recall the lad was pretty honest and of good character too.

~B

he lives in Sydney now.

source

kippy wrote: »

Thats 5K a year directly to him.
I've never gotten a donation from anyone ever. Why does he get them and what, if anything, does he do for it.
These are just declared donations, not insinuating anything else but that doesnt mean it is all he gets.
Also, the party fund most of the electioneering so not sure why any party politician should get any private donations at all.

Kinda reminds me of the big non-story that broke about Sean Gallagher.
In the year that Gallagher allegedly took that 5K for a 5K a seat "dinner" which was an FF fundraiser, FF only took in 12K in donations........
How did that work out I wonder? Loopholes in the reporting rules?

Politicians get political donations from companies/wealthy people to fund their campaigns, Generally they don't expect anything for their money, The donations are made to "further the cause" as it were.

Agree with Aidric here, not only is it a petty thread, but was a petty article published in an attempt to blacken the name of a national politician who has done nothing wrong here.

kippy

source wrote: »

Politicians get political donations from companies/wealthy people to fund their campaigns, Generally they don't expect anything for their money, The donations are made to "further the cause" as it were.

Agree with Aidric here, not only is it a petty thread, but was a petty article published in an attempt to blacken the name of a national politician who has done nothing wrong here.

Ok I appreciate the fact that politicians get donations. Do people actually think this is right however?
Especially when you consider:
1. The system is completely open to abuse and I'm sure is abused.
2. The electoral campaigns are often funded by the party itself (in the case of a party based politician). I mean if thats not the case where does the money go that the party itself fundraises.
3. This whole "Generally they don't expect anything for their money" is a joke - seriously.
4. Further whose cause?
5. Don't sitting ministers/TD's get paid enough as it is without getting donations?

I know of roles in many private and public bodies where the acceptance of gifts of any kind is completely against organisational policy and is a serious matter. And these people dont have the power to make wide ranging and long lasting decisions.

While the thread itself may be petty and pointless, the topic is covers is a very important one and one that we, as an electorate, need to be more aware and wary of.

watchingthepols

source wrote: »

Agree with Aidric here, not only is it a petty thread, but was a petty article published in an attempt to blacken the name of a national politician who has done nothing wrong here.

So you actually think that the Limerick Leader published a "petty article" in an attempt to blacken Willie O'Dea's name.

Interesting.... I thought the Limerick Leader article was a simple statement of fact? But you claim that there is something in their report that attempts to blacken Willie O'Dea's name?

What is it exactly in the article that you think is "blackening" his name? Have they made something up, told lies etc?

BTW, Why do you think Willie O'Dea needed €30,000 in donations while Dan Neville needed €0?

TheInquisitor wrote: »

So let me get this straight. The most popular polititian in Limerick ...

Surely you mean the third most popular politician in Limerick? After all, in the last election he was only elected to the third seat, on the sixth count while he was down over 12,500 first preference votes Meanwhile Michael Noonan topped the poll & was elected on the first count.

Aidric

kippy wrote: »

Is it? Why so?

There isn't anything remiss here. Political donations are part and parcel of political systems everywhere. Further, the figures here are so small as to be insignificant.

In summary a nothing story ergo petty thread.

TheInquisitor

watchingthepols wrote: »

Surely you mean the third most popular politician in Limerick? After all, in the last election he was only elected to the third seat, on the sixth count while he was down over 12,500 first preference votes Meanwhile Michael Noonan topped the poll & was elected on the first count.

...during the period 1999 to 2005 to which this whole discussion and thread is about, he was the most popular politician

liammur

TheInquisitor wrote: »

...during the period 1999 to 2005 to which this whole discussion and thread is about, he was the most popular politician

Is he still getting into brawls and rows? Seems like the only thing he is good at.

phog

kippy wrote: »

2. The electoral campaigns are often funded by the party itself (in the case of a party based politician). I mean if thats not the case where does the money go that the party itself fundraises.

Generally, the party HQ will pay for posters of the leader or party posters but the candidate pays for posters of the individual. Take FG, if they had poster of Kenny or one of Noonan and O'Donnell together then these would probably be paid for by the party. However a poster saying Vote No 1 for Noonan would be paid for my Noonan.

Also, expenses paid to canvassers, the round of drinks in a pub or the tenner to the charity that the candidate would throw around during an election would come from the candidate.

kippy

phog wrote: »

Generally, the party HQ will pay for posters of the leader or party posters but the candidate pays for posters of the individual. Take FG, if they had poster of Kenny or one of Noonan and O'Donnell together then these would probably be paid for by the party. However a poster saying Vote No 1 for Noonan would be paid for my Noonan.

Also, expenses paid to canvassers, the round of drinks in a pub or the tenner to the charity that the candidate would throw around during an election would come from the candidate.

Are you sure about your facts?
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/national_elections/election_expenses.html
(not my main issue) If Mr Noonan wants to pay his way I would suggest he do so out of his own money and not that which has been "donated" to him.


I am actually shocked that people dont see an issue with personal "donations" by, usually business people to sitting politicians when the politican in question has little cash flow issues and has the backing of a major financial party.

http://elaine.ie/2009/01/01/election-funding-system-serves-to-undermine-public-trust/

I care deeply about where the politician manages to find that money to buy the round of drinks, especially if he is a winning politician.
No one gives me a donation to buy my mates a pint after a long week at work, indeed I am expected to pay for all of what you mention out of my own pocket.
This would probably be especially so were I a sitting government minister on over 100K a year with all the expenses and perks that go with it.

phog

kippy wrote: »

Are you sure about your facts?
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/national_elections/election_expenses.html
(not my main issue) If Mr Noonan wants to pay his way I would suggest he do so out of his own money and not that which has been "donated" to him.

Not 100% sure how it works but I certainly know that candidates have to pay for a lot of their own elction material.

Not sure what you were trying to point out in the link -

Rules
•Each political party must appoint a "national agent" who must account for and control all of the party's election expenses. As well as a national agent for each party, each candidate must appoint an "election agent" to control the candidate's expenditure on elections (the candidate can appoint himself or herself).
•The national agent or election agent must be the person to enter into all contracts that involve spending money on the election, including booking advertisements with the newspapers, etc.
•Each political party's national agent must deliver a detailed statement to the Standards in Public Office Commission within 56 days after the polling day. The statement must describe all of the expenses incurred by the party.
•Each candidate's election agent must deliver a similar statement setting out the candidate's expenditure. A candidate may allot some of his or her spending limit to his or her party. This must be set out in the statement.
•Invoices or claims relating to expenditure on elections must be sent to the national or election agents within 45 days after the polling day. If they are claimed after 45 days, the agent cannot pay them.
•It is an offence for a national or an election agent to spend over the limit or to fail to submit the statement of expenses. It is also an offence to pay an election expense that was not claimed within 45 days after the polling day.
•Every candidate who is unsuccessful in the Dáil election must deliver a statement of donations within 56 days after the polling day. This statement must give details of any donations above 634.87 euro that the candidate received in relation to the election. Successful candidates will have to make a statement of donations as part of the annual declaration that all TDs must make.
•No candidate can receive an individual donation greater than 2,539.48 euro for election expenses. No political party can receive an individual donation greater than 6,348.69 euro for election expenses.

kippy

So basically no one on this thread has an issue with political figures receiving private donations?
It's no wonder we're rightly screwed.
(candidates may also claim back upto 8K of their election expenses btw)

source

watchingthepols wrote: »

So you actually think that the Limerick Leader published a "petty article" in an attempt to blacken Willie O'Dea's name.

Interesting.... I thought the Limerick Leader article was a simple statement of fact? But you claim that there is something in their report that attempts to blacken Willie O'Dea's name?

What is it exactly in the article that you think is "blackening" his name? Have they made something up, told lies etc?

BTW, Why do you think Willie O'Dea needed €30,000 in donations while Dan Neville needed €0?




Surely you mean the third most popular politician in Limerick? After all, in the last election he was only elected to the third seat, on the sixth count while he was down over 12,500 first preference votes Meanwhile Michael Noonan topped the poll & was elected on the first count.

Yes it may be a statement of fact, but why only Fianna Fail politicians? A quick google shows that all the parties take political donations, And as has been pointed out, during the time being discussed in this article Willie O'Dea was the most popular politician in this city. So it leads to reason that an article that focuses in on one political party, of which Willie O'Dea at the time was the most popular politician, is making an attempt to blacken the name of the party and politician. (not that FF aren't good enough at doing that themselves).

Willie O'Dea got €30K over a number of years, in political donations, a practice that happens in democracy's worldwide. It's how people finance running for office, "the cause" I mentioned earlier would be whatever political slant the party takes.....nothing nefarious.

People here need to grow up, running for public office costs a lot of money, money that politicians don't have. So in order for politicians to run for office they need money, political donations is how that happens.

I have one question for people who believe this is wrong, What is your alternative?

watchingthepols

source wrote: »

Yes it may be a statement of fact, but why only Fianna Fail politicians?

The Limerick Leader article covers all the Oireachtas members in Limerick, for all parties during that period but presumably Willie O'Dea and Fianna Fail were highlighted becuase they received by far the most.

I am puzzled though as to why O'Dea would need this money as he was in receipt of a government ministers salary during this period along with all the support staff that came with it. I remember reading someplace that he had six full time civil servants writing letters to his constituents, on his behalf during that period. He had also access to other funds to pay for his leaflets etc.

kippy

source wrote: »

Yes it may be a statement of fact, but why only Fianna Fail politicians? A quick google shows that all the parties take political donations, And as has been pointed out, during the time being discussed in this article Willie O'Dea was the most popular politician in this city. So it leads to reason that an article that focuses in on one political party, of which Willie O'Dea at the time was the most popular politician, is making an attempt to blacken the name of the party and politician. (not that FF aren't good enough at doing that themselves).

Willie O'Dea got €30K over a number of years, in political donations, a practice that happens in democracy's worldwide. It's how people finance running for office, "the cause" I mentioned earlier would be whatever political slant the party takes.....nothing nefarious.

People here need to grow up, running for public office costs a lot of money, money that politicians don't have. So in order for politicians to run for office they need money, political donations is how that happens.

I have one question for people who believe this is wrong, What is your alternative?

Sure it must be okay if everyone is doing it, right?
Totally disagree.
"Money that politicians don't have" FFS pull the fecking other one.

watchingthepols

kippy wrote: »

Sure it must be okay if everyone is doing it, right?
Totally disagree.
"Money that politicians don't have" FFS pull the fecking other one.

It looks like Fianna Fail have had a Road to Damascus style conversion this morning and now claim that corporate donations are bad.

Hmm, interesting how they have suddenly come to to this conclusion now that they are in the political wilderness & their donations have dried up


The link is here.

Fianna Fáil propose corporate donations ban

Liam Byrne

liammur wrote: »

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Is he still getting into brawls and rows? Seems like the only thing he is good at.

Not true. Don't forget his ability to lie and perjure and put journalists' jobs at risk.

counterlock

Im sure he's done a lot of good work for individuals and communities throughout Limerick but that doesn't make it right. If they want to get serious about this, then all donations should be accounted for, the same way a business would do its tax returns - ie. you see how much they are getting and what exactly the money is being used for

watchingthepols

According to the recently published "City Voice", Willie O'Dea obtained the highest expenses payment, among Limerick City TDs, for the period between January & September of this year at €40,499

This €40,499 from the tax payer seemingly is in addition to his salary of €92,627.

Other recent money stories that Willie O'Dea featured in were the €54,000 "step down" money he received after resigning in disgrace as Minister for Defence

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056365548

and the revelations that among Limerick politicians he had gathered in by far, the largest amount of political donations (€30,909).

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056453028

Kess73

I'm sure that Mr O'Dea has very good reasons as to why he needed over €40k in expenses for the first nine months of the year, and more than any other city TD.

Well worth every cent.

michael999999

With O Deas record of telling the truth after the brothel story last year, i would be going through hes expences with a fine comb!

L.T.P.

Kess73 wrote: »

I'm sure that Mr O'Dea has very good reasons as to why he needed over €40k in expenses for the first nine months of the year, and more than any other city TD.

Well worth every cent.

I presume you're being sarcastic?

Kess73

L.T.P. wrote: »

I presume you're being sarcastic?

The man is a national treasure. A true political great, and has done many many great things to Limerick. I would list his many great deeds but my memory must be acting up as I cannot remember any right now. I'm just surprised that there has not been a statue of him put up somewhere along O'Connell Street and that we have not renamed a street "O'Dea Street".

L.T.P.

Kess73 wrote: »

The man is a national treasure. A true political great, and has done many many great things to Limerick. I would list his many great deeds but my memory must be acting up as I cannot remember any right now. I'm just surprised that there has not been a statue of him put up somewhere along O'Connell Street and that we have not renamed a street "O'Dea Street".

Very good! I thought you'd lost your marbles there for a while

CiaranMT

Same! All is right with the world.

Insect Overlord

@watchingthepols, please stop starting threads about Willie O'Dea. It's the only topic you ever post about on this forum.

I'm merging this thread with your last one, which was only started a few weeks ago.

ArtSmart

michael999999 wrote: »

With O Deas record of telling the truth after the brothel story last year, i would be going through his expences with a fine comb!

he he. that's the first thing i thought -moustache expenses!

watchingthepols

Insect Overlord wrote: »

@watchingthepols, please stop starting threads about Willie O'Dea.

Sure, no problem.

Does this just apply to me or is there now a general ban in place against starting threads about the activities of Willie O'Dea?

phog

watchingthepols wrote: »

Sure, no problem.

Does this just apply to me or is there now a general ban in place against starting threads about the activities of Willie O'Dea?

I think the clue is in the rest of the post that you quoted but failed to highlight in the quote.

Insect Overlord

watchingthepols wrote: »

Sure, no problem.

Does this just apply to me or is there now a general ban in place against starting threads about the activities of Willie O'Dea?

Just you. Either that or you cop on and start using the forum properly.

As things stand you've only ever used this forum as a soap-box from which to rail against Willie O'Dea. You never post about anything else. I can only surmise from that that you're using the forum to further your own agenda.

Prove me wrong and I might consider removing this block some time in the future.

watchingthepols

Insect Overlord wrote: »

As things stand you've only ever used this forum as a soap-box from which to rail against Willie O'Dea. You never post about anything else. I can only surmise from that that you're using the forum to further your own agenda.

You are 100% correct and my agenda has been to highlight the activities of Willie O'Dea. This is because I believe that his 23 years as TD for Limerick has been disastrous for our city, as well as making us a laughing stock. The 23 years of gombeen politics has held us back when we should have had somebody in the Dail who would work hard for the betterment of Limerick & its people.

I had assumed that the Limerick forum was the appropriate place for these postings. All my postings were clearly titled so anybody opening them knows exactly what they are about & are free to just ignore them if they are so inclined. Also, I must point out that all my posts on Willie O'Dea have been backed up by links to reputable sources.

Nevertheless, you call the shots & it's your call so I will not post, for the immediate future, on Mr O'Dea irrespective of what he gets up.

Insect Overlord

watchingthepols wrote: »

I had assumed that the Limerick forum was the appropriate place for these postings. All my postings were clearly titled so anybody opening them knows exactly what they are about & are free to just ignore them if they are so inclined. Also, I must point out that all my posts on Willie O'Dea have been backed up by links to reputable sources.

It's not about your sources, your thread-titles or even the subject matter of the articles. It's the fact that you never post about anything else that bothers me. You're furthering your own agenda, and giving very little back to the forum in return.

It's a matter of etiquette. Soap-boxing goes against the ethos/atmosphere/etiquette of this site.

watchingthepols

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It's a matter of etiquette. Soap-boxing goes against the ethos/atmosphere/etiquette of this site.

Ok, that seems like a fair point. I will broaden my contributions.