there are more Porsches in Greece than taxpayers declaring 50,000 euro incomes

MrMatisse

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

mikom

MrMatisse wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

Fuck them.
There are more porches in Ireland than taxpayers.
Lets see them beat that.

Atlantic Dawn

The lads in Stuttgart asked no questions once they got the cash for them, little did they know they were pretty much being bought off the Germans by the Greeks with German money .

MrMatisse

Bloody Greeks.

osullic

MrMatisse wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

Some people that make more than €50,000 like to own more than one porsche I suppose.

MrMatisse

I hope your right otherwise there is widespread tax evasion in Greece.

Immaculate Pasta

MrMatisse wrote: »

Bloody Greeks.

They invented gayness.

galwayrush

MrMatisse wrote: »

I hope your right otherwise there is widespread tax evasion in Greece.

Greek tax evasion.....:eek::eek: Surely that can't be true....:rolleyes:

SEPT 23 1989

more anti-Greek propaganda from the elite:rolleyes:

bonzodog2

MrMatisse wrote: »

I hope your right otherwise there is widespread tax evasion in Greece.

I heard that was the case anyway !

MrMatisse

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

more anti-Greek propaganda from the elite:rolleyes:

Elite my arse, those clowns are causing huge damage.

admiralofthefleet

dirty pig fuckers them greeks

SEPT 23 1989

MrMatisse wrote: »

Elite my arse, those clowns are causing huge damage.

Why because they will allow their people to vote on the future of their country?

cml387

Well we have more houses than there are people in Ireland.
At least you drive a Porsche.

Firefox11

MrMatisse wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

Don't worry. The boys in Brussels are about to turn Greece into a 3rd world country.

mickydoomsux

Firefox11 wrote: »

Don't worry. The boys in Brussels are about to turn Greece into a 3rd world country.

By the looks of it it was a third world country all along and they were running the place on borrowed money for years when they knew they couldn't pay it back. They cooked the books to get accepted into the EU in the first place.

Find a good reason to cut them loose with the smallest possible impact on the EU. They won't play ball and try to fix the mess they are in so **** 'em.

A country of people who want to have their cake and eat it too.

MrMatisse

mickydoomsux wrote: »

By the looks of it it was a third world country all along and they were running the place on borrowed money for years when they knew they couldn't pay it back. They cooked the books to get accepted into the EU in the first place.

Find a good reason to cut them loose with the smallest possible impact on the EU. They won't play ball and try to fix the mess they are in so **** 'em.

A country of people who want to have their cake and eat it too.

Spot on.

Freddie59

MrMatisse wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

Indeed. How the fcuk were Greece allowed into the EU in the first place?

mickydoomsux

Freddie59 wrote: »

Indeed. How the fcuk were Greece allowed into the EU in the first place?

Do a bit of Googling and you'll find the answer easily enough. It has become fairly common knowledge that they cooked the books to meet targets with a little help from Goldman Sachs.

That's a good enough reason to set them adrift in my opinion. They were happy to take EU development funds for and access credit in the EU but now that they have to pay it back they are kicking up a stink.

We'll probably never get any of the money back off them at this stage so leave them to their own devices and see what happens.

KerranJast

Freddie59 wrote: »

Indeed. How the fcuk were Greece allowed into the EU in the first place?

They fraudulently cooked the books to make their finances look good for entry with the help of Goldman Sachs.

Pretty good article on the attitudes of Greeks here -> http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010

cml387

They cooked the books to get into the Euro.
They entered the EU legitimately,to be fair.

amacca

cml387 wrote: »

Well we have more houses than there are people in Ireland.
At least you drive a Porsche.

ah yeah but you can live in a Porsche....no wait!

Johro

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

dirty pig fuckers them greeks

*Sigh...* That used to be us...

Gummy Panda

Johro wrote: »

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

dirty pig fuckers them greeks

*Sigh...* That used to be us...

I never fúcked a pig!!

Unless you're referring to that girl I picked up in McGowan's

Oafley Jones

Greece should never have never been allowed into the euro and corruption and tax evasion is rife but that article is tabloid crap of the highest order.

mike65

Forget the Porches, its the swimming pools you need to count.

K-9

Jaysus, they seem even better than us at the tax evasion thing!

Wonder what they'll moan about us? Public Service pay and Welfare probably, Google taking advantage of tax avoidance schemes.

Kadongy

I like the doublethink:

"Why can't our sh!tty government negotiate like the Greeks did!?"
and
"Why can't the sh!tty Greeks just accept things like our government did!?"

Oh_Noes

Kadongy wrote: »

I like the doublethink:

"Why can't our sh!tty government negotiate like the Greeks did!?"
and
"Why can't the sh!tty Greeks just accept things like our government did!?"

Half of Ireland is a pot calling the kettle black and the other half is a kettle calling the pot black.

Firefox11

K-9 wrote: »

Jaysus, they seem even better than us at the tax evasion thing!

We did our tax dodging in the 70's and 80's, the problem was tackled in the 90's. Sill goes on but not so much. The revenue commissioners are pretty good at catching the dodgers now.

suicide_circus

The Greeks - a great bunch of lads.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_quCh-Js2mb8/RhMZc3_UjvI/AAAAAAAAAAs/sU-jP5abKHY/s320/Oxford1967.304.jpg

Gummy Panda

suicide_circus wrote: »

The Greeks - a great bunch of lads.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_quCh-Js2mb8/RhMZc3_UjvI/AAAAAAAAAAs/sU-jP5abKHY/s320/Oxford1967.304.jpg

Are they touching mickeys?

Ste_D

The Greeks are leaving the EU with no option but to cut them loose. If they think they are f*cked now, they should wait and see the consequences of that happening!!

Kanoe

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Are they touching mickeys?

special greek handshake

ejmaztec

Give it a few weeks and you'll be able to swap a loaf of bread for a Porsche in Athens.

Victor

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why because they will allow their people to vote on the future of their country?

A large number of people in Greece are living way beyond their means. The average income for the railway company was €65,000. In Irish Rail, it is €56,000 (which is generally considered high) despite much a higher cost of living here.

Son Of A Vidic

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

They invented gayness.

And gave us that creep Oedipus.

im invisible

Aye, he was a complex fecker, right enough

blorg

Greece does have a major problem with tax evasion but this is utter bullshít from the Telegraph. There are NOT more Porsche Cayennes in Greece than people declaring incomes over €50k. It doesn't pass the smell test. Don't believe everything you read in the UK gutter press.

160,000 Greeks declare incomes of over €50k. This us almost certainly under declaration but that is how many declare it.

There were 1,570 Porche Cayennes sold in Greece. Not per year, since the car was introduced. This is lower than the European average per capita, as you would expect for Greece as it is poorer than the EU average.

1,570 < 160,000.

Source, via reddit

K-9

Just the Telegraph getting its usual dig at the Euro and foreigners then.

TwoShedsJackson

There were more Mercedes registered here per head of population than in Germany during the 'boom'. We aren't exactly paragons here.

mathie

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

There were more sheds registered here per head of population than in Germany during the 'boom'. We aren't exactly paragons here.

FYP

blorg

blorg wrote: »

Greece does have a major problem with tax evasion but this is utter bullshít from the Telegraph. There are NOT more Porsche Cayennes in Greece than people declaring incomes over €50k. It doesn't pass the smell test. Don't believe everything you read in the UK gutter press.

160,000 Greeks declare incomes of over €50k. This us almost certainly under declaration but that is how many declare it.

There were 1,570 Porche Cayennes sold in Greece. Not per year, since the car was introduced. This is lower than the European average per capita, as you would expect for Greece as it is poorer than the EU average.

1,570 < 160,000.

Source, via reddit

Porches do last a very long time due to the build quality and the favorable climatic conditions in Greece, so some of these cars could easily be 15-20 years old! How much would a 20 year old Porsche cost?

TwoShedsJackson

mathie wrote: »

FYP

That extra shed was an investment you know. I'm going to flip it in 400 years.

Wibbs

blorg wrote: »

Greece does have a major problem with tax evasion but this is utter bullshít from the Telegraph. There are NOT more Porsche Cayennes in Greece than people declaring incomes over €50k. It doesn't pass the smell test. Don't believe everything you read in the UK gutter press.

Oh I agree Blorg, but Greece has beyond a major problem with tax evasion and sense of public and private service entitlement. The list is long and daft and oft incredible. The swimming pools a good one as mentioned earlier. Something like 800 declared and paid tax on their pools in Athens, yet the city and it's burbs have 10's of 1000's of said pools. The equivalent of Blackrock clinic level doctors and their practices were declaring tax returns applicable to people earning under 20 k a year, when their rent on the premises was twice that. If they were declaring any tax at all. Something daft like a third weren't and that's just one profession. It's very much a cash based culture across the board.

Funny enough we could have learned from their banking sector as they weren't badly run like ours. Their mistake was lending to the greek gov.

dav3

MrMatisse wrote: »

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100012894/fast-cars-and-loose-fiscal-morals-there-are-more-porsches-in-greece-than-taxpayers-declaring-50000-euro-incomes/

And we sit here and suck it up while they live it up......:mad:

There are no links to back up the claims in the article.

It hurts my eyes to read anything written in the telegraph, it's right down there with the daily mail and sun in terms of useless uk papers.

Anyway, how dare the Greeks be allowed to have a say in their future, and their childrens future and their grandchildrens future.
Why can't they be subservient like us. Don't they know that extremley wealthy gamblers need to be paid, now!

Wertz

So they've got porsches... shame they'll not be able to run them on Ouzo, 'cos no c*nt's going to be selling them petrol in a few weeks...

mathie

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh I agree Blorg, but Greece has beyond a major problem with tax evasion and sense of public and private service entitlement. The list is long and daft and oft incredible. The swimming pools a good one as mentioned earlier. Something like 800 declared and paid tax on their pools in Athens, yet the city and it's burbs have 10's of 1000's of said pools. The equivalent of Blackrock clinic level doctors and their practices were declaring tax returns applicable to people earning under 20 k a year, when their rent on the premises was twice that. If they were declaring any tax at all. Something daft like a third weren't and that's just one profession. It's very much a cash based culture across the board.

Funny enough we could have learned from their banking sector as they weren't badly run like ours. Their mistake was lending to the greek gov.

+1

In Greece the banks didn't bust the country. The country bust the banks.

Caraville

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And gave us that creep Oedipus.

Yeah, him too. What a mother f**ker.

Captain Darling

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And gave us that creep Oedipus.

Bunch of mother fcukers.

blorg

Deleted User wrote: »

Porches do last a very long time due to the build quality and the favorable climatic conditions in Greece, so some of these cars could easily be 15-20 years old! How much would a 20 year old Porsche cost?

The article specifically claims there are more Porsche Cayennes registered there than people declaring income over €50,000, not Porsches in general. As the Cayenne was introduced in 2002 it would be difficult for Greece to have many 15-20 year old ones! The ratio is out by a factor of over 100; the article is just rubbish. It isn't the claim anyway but I would doubt there are 99 other Porsches to every Cayenne.

The best I can imagine is that the author they quoted was using hyperbole, and the Telegraph just took him literally. Greece of course has major problems that they need to address but the Telegraph also has its own agenda, and less than stellar journalistic standards.