Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes :)

My name is URL · 31-10-2011 8:06pm

540 beggars arrested since February.. How many pickpockets have been caught in the same period?

SEPT 23 1989 · 31-10-2011 8:09pm

The PC thugs will be all over that copper:D

Dyr · 31-10-2011 8:09pm

Solnskaya wrote: »

proof ^ that most child stars end up as bitter adults. I preferred when you were skipping through the forest, thrilling us with your escapes from peril Bambi. Now you are just a cynical old dear.:)

Don't go stepping on my toes sonny, I'm an ungulate

LeixlipRed · 31-10-2011 8:40pm

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

31-10-2011 8:44pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

Nobody here even mentioned any of these things (unless you consider begging to be robbing)? Nor did they suggest they aren't human?

LeixlipRed · 31-10-2011 8:46pm

Sacramento wrote: »

Nobody here even mentioned any of these things (unless you consider begging to be robbing)? Nor did they suggest they aren't human?

I was highlighting the fact that people want to tar a racial group based on the fact they beg, which of course is not a crime. "Kick them all out", that's pretty hate filled and stomach turning in my opinion. Or would you disagree?

4leto · 31-10-2011 8:47pm

I seen how lucrative it is. I was coming home on the nightlink and some traveller were counting their begging proceeds for the day, wads, I asked where did you get the 50s, they told me from some shop and sometimes people give you 50.

There was 3 of them and each of them had 2 to 300 euro

southsiderosie · 31-10-2011 8:49pm

syklops wrote: »

Unfortunately there is no way to stop people coming into the country. The border is wide open.

As a non-citizen, I can safely say that this is complete and utter bull****.

31-10-2011 8:54pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I was highlighting the fact that people want to tar a racial group based on the fact they beg, which of course is not a crime. "Kick them all out", that's pretty hate filled and stomach turning in my opinion. Or would you disagree?

Well that I get, but it's far better to address the argument in that manner than to categorically list things nobody has actually accused them of doing in the discussion so far.

My own personal experience of their begging has been that they are often quite aggressive beggars, following you around or even knocking on your door. This form of begging is illegal. They have also been documented sending their children out to beg. In fact, a house of Roma people that used to live a few doors down from me would knock around to all their neighbours begging.

woodoo · 31-10-2011 8:56pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I was highlighting the fact that people want to tar a racial group based on the fact they beg, which of course is not a crime. "Kick them all out", that's pretty hate filled and stomach turning in my opinion. Or would you disagree?

Didn't France decide to do something along those lines. I propose kicking out the Roma that partake in begging and especially robbing graves. We don't need that here.

hondasam · 31-10-2011 8:58pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I was highlighting the fact that people want to tar a racial group based on the fact they beg, which of course is not a crime. "Kick them all out", that's pretty hate filled and stomach turning in my opinion. Or would you disagree?

I think begging is a crime now, I have zero sympathy for roma beggars.
they are a menace to society.

Snowc · 31-10-2011 9:09pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

I am having the same problem as you .Nearly ever few weeks we have smelly Roma kids calling to our door begging for sweets:mad:Why where they let in to the EU ?

MIN2511 · 31-10-2011 9:10pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

There's a difference....

Roma gypsies != Romanians!

Turtyturd · 31-10-2011 9:10pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

Were they dressed as beggars?

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 31-10-2011 9:13pm

My name is URL wrote: »

540 beggars arrested since February.. How many pickpockets have been caught in the same period?

540.

mcmoustache · 31-10-2011 9:15pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

Have you checked your backyard?

Gummy Panda · 31-10-2011 9:20pm

phasers wrote: »

who's giving beggars €50 notes?

I've seen a pensioner give the barefoot roma beggar on henry st 20 euro and pair of runners from penney's.

The fúcker threw the runners into a bin after she left. Bastard :mad:

charlemont · 31-10-2011 9:21pm

Totally agree with him.

Solnskaya · 31-10-2011 9:21pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

We Have checked - you're backward!

No call for that. I was next to a Roma couple in a filling station today- Mr Roma was putting €100 of unleaded in his Brabus Mercedes. I've never seen a Brabus Mercedes before, but it just didn't look cheap.....I wonder what he does for a living to afford that??

WalterMitty · 31-10-2011 9:32pm

They are still around in ireland because obviously they are making a killing here. They exploit mostly old people, calling to their homes and using distraction techniques to fleece them . The old people i help in the neighbourhood all feel sorry for them and wont hear of you critcising them begging outside shops. They dont even bother asking younger people for money as they know their target market well.
Next time shoeless lad is on grafton street someone should "accidentally" spill a large box of thumbtacks.

thomasj · 31-10-2011 9:37pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

syklops wrote: »

Unfortunately there is no way to stop people coming into the country. The border is wide open.

As a non-citizen, I can safely say that this is complete and utter bull****.

+1.

The schengen agreement removed border controls across most if not all of mainland Europe. Ireland and uk both opted out and (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ireland and uk have their own agreement where both countries citizens don't neccessarily need passports as primary ids to enter either country (except if you are flying by ryanair

)

Irish and British need their passports to enter schengen Countries and vice versa.

Schengen countries are:

* Austria
* Belgium
* Czech Republic
* Denmark
* Estonia
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Greece
* Hungary
* Iceland
* Italy
* Latvia
* Lithuania
* Luxembourg
* Malta
* Netherlands
* Norway
* Poland
* Portugal
* Slovakia
* Slovenia
* Spain
* Sweden
* Switzerland

Turtyturd · 31-10-2011 9:38pm

Solnskaya wrote: »

No call for that. I was next to a Roma couple in a filling station today- Mr Roma was putting 100 of unleaded in his Brabus Mercedes. I've never seen a Brabus Mercedes before, but it just didn't look cheap.....I wonder what he does for a living to afford that??

Maybe he just doesn't buy shoes?

dj jarvis · 31-10-2011 9:40pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

People need to stop giving beggars money.

Problem solved.

yea cause when you stop giving money they will also give up robbery's burglary and atm scams ??? cop on

ANY forgin national committing crime should be sent back to nation of origin and the cost of the flight billed to that nations embassy

and this should happen in reverse to Irish citizens abroad

live in a host nation you respect its laws - don't like them ? well feck off then

and for the predictable response from do good pc brigade i say this
suck my balls
our laws - so tough ****

Solnskaya · 31-10-2011 9:42pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

Maybe he just doesn't buy shoes?

Savage! I'm doing without shoes from now on, woo hoo, I'm gettin a brabus, I'm gettin a Brabus. My shoes cost about €20, how long till I have enough??

Tesco Massacre · 31-10-2011 9:54pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Two little Roma kids called to the door their coincidentally just now. They were trick or treating. Didn't rob me, stab me, spit at me, they even looked human. You lot make my stomach turn to be honest.

They were probably ordinary Irish kids dressed as Roma gypsies for Halloween. There's no other explanation.

If they had been bona fide Roma gypsies you definitely would have been stabbed, spat at or robbed. Perhaps all three at once...something they call 'The Gypsy Trinity'.

Chinasea · 31-10-2011 10:09pm

"Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes "

Senior Garda, SENIOR - how irresponsible - wind up the multiudes yet again... mention the word Roma and watch the usual St. Patricks Day parade

Badgermonkey · 31-10-2011 10:10pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

As a non-citizen, I can safely say that this is complete and utter bull****.

I'm assuming you're a non-EU citizen, right?

thomasj wrote: »

The schengen agreement removed border controls across most if not all of mainland Europe. Ireland and uk both opted out and (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ireland and uk have their own agreement where both countries citizens don't neccessarily need passports as primary ids to enter either country (except if you are flying by ryanair )

Irish and British need their passports to enter schengen Countries and vice versa.

In essence our borders are wide open to EU citizens. Our Schengen opt-out means we retain border controls at points of entry. Only in exceptional circumstances however can an EU citizen be refused right of entry as laid out in Directive 2004/38/EC

On what grounds can EU countries restrict freedom of movement
and residence?

Public policy, public security and public health grounds

EU countries may impose restrictions where this is justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.

Any such restrictions, such as a denial of entry, a refusal of residence or an expulsion measure, must comply with the terms and conditions laid down in the Directive.

Procedural safeguards
EU citizens and their family members are also protected by the following procedural safeguards.

Written notification and appeal

If expelled or denied entry, the decision must:

• be notified in writing and in a way that enables the person concerned to
comprehend its content and the implications for them;
• include precise and full information of the grounds on which the decision is
based; and
• specify the court or administrative authority with which the person concerned may lodge an appeal and the time limit for the appeal.

Access to judicial redress

The persons concerned must have access to judicial and where appropriate
administrative redress procedures to appeal or seek review of any decision against them
on these grounds. These procedures must allow for an examination of the legality of the
decision, as well as of the facts and circumstances on which the proposed measure is
based.

Solnskaya · 31-10-2011 10:26pm

Chinasea wrote: »

"Senior Garda comments on Roma, Dubs, Guinness and Footlocker shoes "

Senior Garda, SENIOR - how irresponsible - wind up the multiudes yet again... mention the word Roma and watch the usual St. Patricks Day parade

So no more mentioning the word "Roma" then? Sh1te, thats our wednesday pasta evening ruined. Can we use the words "popular Italian style tomato based condiment" instead??

southsiderosie · 01-11-2011 4:25am

Badgermonkey wrote: »

I'm assuming you're a non-EU citizen, right?

In essence our borders are wide open to EU citizens. Our Schengen opt-out means we retain border controls at points of entry. Only in exceptional circumstances however can an EU citizen be refused right of entry as laid out in

Yet there are still passport controls at the border. You cannot simply waltz into Ireland. And states can petition to restrict work permits (and subsequently, permission to remain); a few months ago, Spain successfully petitioned to limit labor market access for Romanians.

Also, Irish people have just as equal access to other countries. I wish people would stop acting so put-upon - you all could just as easily go to Spain as Poles could come to Ireland.

And, yes, I am not an EU citizen. But there are a lot of Irish people who rage against open borders, yet seem baffled that, as an American citizen, I (and many others) had a lot of visa problems. You don't just walk into Ireland as an EU system, but the process is straightforward. As a non-EU citizen, it is completely arbitrary.

Jumpy · 01-11-2011 5:17am

Solnskaya wrote: »

So no more mentioning the word "Roma" then? Sh1te, thats our wednesday pasta evening ruined. Can we use the words "popular Italian style tomato based condiment" instead??

Thats your fault. If you ate Dolmio it wouldnt be an issue.

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