Final thoughts on Black Ops

iMuse

Well with MW3 just over a week away I thought id ask to see peoples final opinion on B: Ops. What did treyarch do right and what did they get wrong? What improvements would you like to see in B: Ops 2?

stek

Final thought... meh!

Nuri Sahin

Solid, if unspectacular is how I'd sum it up in a sentence.

I do appreciate the effort of Treyarch in trying to patch things. Something which IW have been dreadful in even before **** in the fan internally. But there was something missing, an X Factor that even MW2 had, and we all know my feelings about MW2 by now! I'm still not sure what that was, probably a culmination of a few things. Maybe it's becoming older *waves stick* and getting tired of FPS games in general, there is certainly an element of that no question about it.

Lack of stopping power and thus ghost becoming the favourite perk for many was a dampener in the long run. Second chance as pathetic as it is, only had a short effect at least. Playing against people who refused to use anything but the Famas and AK74u was tiring. Maps being a too dreary and characterless - Summit, Stadium, Nuketown and a couple of others aside.

The combat record was quite brilliantly done, as was the training mode and wager matches. Dead Ops was a nice unexpected addition that I think retro gamers (especially fans of Smash TV on the SNES ) appreciated.

Zombies. Sigh. I tried to get into it. Maybe it's perhaps my attention span can be fairly shabby at times, or Kells being downed and bad force of habit trying to save him thus costing me my life :pac: but I just didn't enjoy it. I thought Ascension was the best map by far though.

So yeah, on the COD scale - I'd give it a 6.5 (couldn't decide on 6 or 7) out of 10 :P

UsernameInUse

Final thoughts....

It was wasted time. MW3 should have been last years edition - the technology was there as this year there doesn't seem to be literally any advancement on anything compared to MW2. Treyarch should have been brought into the mold though; I liked the Zombies mode and is perhaps the sole reason it's stayed relevant for all these months.

But now with the release of a what will be a fierce competitor, Battlefield - COD needs to step their game up. Although they'll outsell DICE because it's a longer running franchise with a huge consumer base, I see COD going the way of MOH when COD first came out. BF will eat away the support base as COD has now flatlined and become "linear". That's why I feel that BLOPS was a waste of a year. If MW3 was last years release, perhaps it would have advanced the series somewhat and left this year open for a huge change in engine, overall gameplay - just to evolve the game and give it a "new feel".

So, my final thoughts is that BLOPS was a waste of a year.

NinjaK

I enjoyed it least of all the call of duys since cod4.

Randall Floyd

Second Chance was annoying, some of the maps were crap like Jungle. Other than that it was grand.

ugglasdav

Black Ops = best cod ever

hypermuse

I quite liked blops and found it far more enjoyable than MW2.

They brought so much to the table for COD.. combat training, wagers, theater, combat records...

The cons of blops I feel are quite small in comparison.. RC-XD, overpowered guns (which every game has), poor sound and tired/grubby looking maps.

People keep hating on Blops coz of ghost.. but seriously, it aint that big a problem! It was when it started, just like 2nd chance but it aint half as bad now... Its just that when you get killed by a ghost you notice it more and feel more aggrieved by your death and subsequently hate on it more..
People will always exploit a stronger perk when weaker ones are available. There is nothing wrong with ghost just the fact its abused coz of weaker perks around it! But it really aint that big a problem!

Despite the fact I feel MW3 will just be MW2.1 and I'll get sick of it quickly, I'll still buy it but I think as far as FPS goes, I feel I will be playing blops and BF3 more than MW3...

So my final thoughts are not very final at all!

Magill

I liked it quite a bit tbh, after CoD2 its probably my favorite.

Weapons were good with the exception of the shottys and some SMG's. Snipers were about as fun as the other games if only a bit more challenging than the other games (Still underpowered.. but thats just console gaming i guess).

Matchmaking and connection issues were grand after the first month or so, much better than the other CoD's i found.

Wagermatches/Theatre and the private match customisation was great.

Overall... i thought it was a solid game... not the best MP ever but probably the best console one, at least imo.

DanTheMan91

I agree with the above poster who said that the game was lacking something, it got boring faster than any other Call of Duty I have played. The first few weeks were great, but then the game just got stale. I kept on playing but I wasn't have as much fun as I would with the previous games in the series. Treyarch done well to look after the game through the year, with patches, double Xp Nuketown and DLC packs.

I enjoyed the campaign, even though the story was hard to follow. Zombies were fun as usual but I feel like I didn't play them half as much as I played zombies in World at War. I personally feel like the zombie maps in the dlc were poor.

I reached 15th prestige with about 12 days playtime, and I enjoyed playing the game. I would give it 8/10, I place it under Cod 4 and World at War but above MW2.

NeVeR

I went back and played MW2 today and i couldn't switch it off quick enough.

BO is a class game and i'm sure I will be playing it even when MW3 is out.

krudler

I thought it had some great additions like gun game, wager matches, theatre mode, tomohawks, some really cool stuff. they did a good job of nerfing a lot of stuff from MW2 like scavenger replacing ammo only. and fair play to Treyarch for listening to a lot of complaints, fixing things as the game was out and seeing things from a players perspective.
But for every step forward it took they went one step back, graphics were meh in multiplayer (yet looked great in the campaign mode) the sound design was horrendous and the most important thing, it just wasnt that fun to play. Deathly dull maps and a few gems like Summit and Nuketown, air support was so easily taken down it was rendered utterly pointless most of the time so everyone camped for blackbirds (the most overpowered killstreak ever in cod, people whinge about heartbeat sensors yet use an easily gotten perk to turn the entire map into one) and dogs.

tldr version, was a stopgap that got old pretty quickly. have played COD4 more than it in the past 12 months and even though MW2 is absolutely headwrecking, its never dull.

minidazzler

Really enjoyed it and still do. I only had MW2 and online capability for 3 weeks before Black ops came out so was never into that so much. Blops being patched regularly and the fact that it's yet to be hacked is a credit to Treyarch. They really did listen to the customer and give us what we wanted. Solid game, good maps though some of the DLC's were rather lack lustre and i hate a few of them.

They need to add some colour to their palate, and then it could be a great game.

r3nu4l

I agree that the colour pallette needs to change. Sound was poor too. Like all CODs, some maps were shocking, others great.

I loved the combat records and contracts. I really liked the RC-XD but only because every time you saw someone use it you knew that was one less spy plane in the air :pac:

I didn't like how so few people chose launchers. It meant that many airborne kill streaks went on longer than they should have IMO.

I think it was a million times better than MW2 but overall there was room for a lot of improvement.

beertons

Theatre, wager matches, and probably gun game. Best bits about BO.

Oafley Jones

Fairly decently balanced multiplayer, but it really was missing something. As noted the colour palette just added to the overall sense of greyness of the whole thing.

Didn't really care for the single player, but its also been the multiplayer with COD for me.

Zombies was a huge let down. Sunk days into the four maps on WAW, but this lot never clicked. Incidentally, this is the first COD game where I didn't buy all the map packs. Couldn't be bothered with the last one and - also a first - deleted the second and third map packs as I just hated them.

Still don't think I'll purchase MW3 owing to Activision's lack of support for MW and WAW. I think I'd be happy enough if they were the only two COD games i'd ever own.

Just played BLOPS there for an hour. It's absolutely ruined with lag switchers. Really wish there was a solution for them.

Snake Plisken

I think it's a fantastic addition to the COD franchise and still on playing it every night, as mentioned before Treyarch were quick to patch any issue and listened to the community when it came to complaints about overpowered weapons etc.
As mentioned before they brought the wager matches and combat training and the mini-game as a little bonus, also the design your own emblems was good fun and always loved the double xp weekends when we got Nuketown 24/7
One major plus was no major hacks on it right up to now, remember last year MW2 in septemeber there were some major hacks on it and we thought it was activision doing it. Also no boosting, any small hack that came along like the coloured clan tags was quickly patch. The report a player was also a nice addition.
I also thought the original maps were fine most the mappacks were so so but the likes of Stadum and Hazard were good, you got to love Nuketown, Firing Range Havana & Summit.

The ususal complaint of issues with lag etc are not really treyarch's fault, it's the lack of servers causing this and poor internet connections and the crappy wireless in the PS3, I have a wired connection to my router and although I do get the occasional lag when connected to spanish/French host's more often then not I will get to host and it has worked fine for all players.

Now compare Blops with Battlefield 3 and then you see how good Blops is technically, I mean I bought BF3 friday said I'd give it a chance and it's a mess on the PS3 the VOIP is broken graphics are dark and you still get lag on it, I stuck on Blops afterwards and it looked fantastic compared to it. So I'm going to trade BF3 in for either credit or Uncharted 3.

So thank you Treyarch for a great game, I'm actually looking forward to their COD game next year already!

CORaven

Zombies was fantastic, but more hours into it than any other CoD multiplayer. It was fun and challenging.

I did not like multiplayer too much. The maps were designed well in some aspects, such as every point of power having a counter or having multiple points of entry along with frag spots. However SnD was ruined for me by the poor parts of the design: several maps had ways of killing people in their spawn eg. Firing Range. The abundance of RC-XDs, Spy Planes and Blackbirds really had a different effect on the game on the killstreak side of things too, mainly for the worse.

As long as you were not playing as a sniper or a LMG user, the maps were in your favour and you could pretty much do well with everything in game modes like Dom and TDM.

Array was a nice sniper map, but no one picks it.
Hazard is a good map for shotguns, but everyone snipes.

Most of the perks were good and enjoyable, bar two.

Flame thrower is pants, but fun. So very very fun.

senordingdong

I felt single player was good but took a few plays through it to really enjoy it.
Multiplayer had some improvements but some regressions too.

Was really looking forward to zombies but compared to WAW it was desperate.
Ultimately, a fun game that will be forgotten.

GEasy

Probably my favourite COD but I didn't get to play COD 4 in it's hayday. So I guess I'm saying it beats MW2 !:)


Party system is great in blops, as is the combat record. No ridiculous noobtubes or commando lunges. The hit detection is still a bit ****! As is the sound and general look of the game. It's nowhere near 60fps on the ps3 if we're taking mw2 as a datum.

Treyarch beat IW hands down when it came to support. Stuff was patched before I even came across it whereas that javelin glitch in mw2 was a month ? before being patched?

Theatre mode was a huge addition to the game even if it can act up at times it added a whole new angle to videos (excuse the pun).

There were only two real gun classes that worked. Don't know why they gimped some of the smgs so much and why the shotguns were so crap even though they were a primary. :mad:

I used to love sniping in mw2 and in COD4 for what I've played of it. Treyarch's approach in the first few months turned me off it altogether (randomisation when scoping in ffs). It's been patched now but still leaves a sour taste.

The maps in the game were a tad too big imo too. There were too many ways to get from one side to another too.

Overall I think Treyarch did a great job and I hope IW have built on this games strong points :LESS BS

tonsiltickler

I've been playing it a bit more as MW3 comes closer and I'm liking it again. I think COD games seem better in retrospect. Some lovely maps like summit and cracked, the killcams looked great and combat record was epic.

I still think the game came out unfinished/not fully tested though. I don't think they realised how OP ghost would become when they took out stopping power. I wish they hadn't taken out stopping power tbh. The pro perks were too hard/tedious to get and offered no benefits really.

Sniping was bad for a long time. It shouldn't have taken a year to fix it. Some of the patches were a bit odd; when everyone was complaining about the famas they reduced the power of the ak47. Everything sounded like a wet fart and I felt the character reactions were sluggish compared to previous games.

One in the chamber and gun game were great. SnD was much more fun than other games. The gun selection was a bit poor; everyone seemed to use the same four or five guns, the others were pretty crummy. I thought zombies and the ending of the campaign were dumb, I have absolutely no interest in it.

At its core is a really playable game with some great maps, fun killstreaks and some things that COD never had before. Sit up and take note IW.

Nuri Sahin

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Solid, if unspectacular is how I'd sum it up in a sentence.

I do appreciate the effort of Treyarch in trying to patch things. Something which IW have been dreadful in even before **** in the fan internally. But there was something missing, an X Factor that even MW2 had, and we all know my feelings about MW2 by now! I'm still not sure what that was, probably a culmination of a few things. Maybe it's becoming older *waves stick* and getting tired of FPS games in general, there is certainly an element of that no question about it.

Lack of stopping power and thus ghost becoming the favourite perk for many was a dampener in the long run. Second chance as pathetic as it is, only had a short effect at least. Playing against people who refused to use anything but the Famas and AK74u was tiring. Maps being a too dreary and characterless - Summit, Stadium, Nuketown and a couple of others aside.

The combat record was quite brilliantly done, as was the training mode and wager matches. Dead Ops was a nice unexpected addition that I think retro gamers (especially fans of Smash TV on the SNES ) appreciated.

Zombies. Sigh. I tried to get into it. Maybe it's perhaps my attention span can be fairly shabby at times, or Kells being downed and bad force of habit trying to save him thus costing me my life :pac: but I just didn't enjoy it. I thought Ascension was the best map by far though.

So yeah, on the COD scale - I'd give it a 6.5 (couldn't decide on 6 or 7) out of 10 :P

Just to add my post after reading other comments below it.

Kudos to Treyarch for theatre mode. Flawlessly done.

yimrsg

Good
Theatre mode, borrowed idea but a good one
Custom & gun games
Constant updates, community felt valued
4 player co-op mode marked improvement over Mw2 spec ops and Mw3.
No real game breaker perk combinations

More of the same
No boosters but their replacements are dashboarders and lag switchers. IW dealt with host ending games in cod4, treyarch should have foreseen the same trap.
Greater prominence given to stats, which is a double edged sword.
Graphically it added nothing to the series. Probably should be a bad point.
Campaign was awfully dull and cliched. Cod4/Mw2/3 has returning characters which elevates it in my eyes.
Getting important pro perks was good when you were taken outside your comfort zone into unfamiliar game types and bad when people knew the majority were trying to get a certain perk and exploited the situation.
There should have been an option to buy a flag cap or a bomb plant with COD points.

Bad
Matchmaking still a mess after ~ 12 months, whats the point in updates if they're largely redundant or worse?
Perks guns or equipment becoming broken after launch, ie strella failing to lock on, jammer not disrupting claymore, tactical mask pro not showing hit markers, dying from single grenades with flak jacket
DLC content on the whole average to poor value for money
Hit detection is awful coupled with weaker guns this was a constant issue
Poor gun selection and many useless attachments. Only 4 Shotguns, sniper rifles and lmgs and 5 pistols?
Sound was poor, only one gun sounded truly awseome; the stoner.

Finally it didn't have that feeling that you get from an IW title, for me a truer name for Black Ops is Bland Ops as got boring fairly soon into it's lifespan (read easy to master and easy to put down) and even though I tried using new or bad combinations of guns and stuff to up the difficulty I never really felt any sort of draw to it like I would have from an IW title.

For whatever reason it felt like I was playing a game that never really pushed or challenged me that caused me restless nights, sure it infuriated me but for me the mark of a great game is one that gets under your skin and stays there, always challenging you, making you stay for that one more game. Truth be told I've had more intense and memorable moments in football manager; playing black ops now is a relaxing game in comparison.

Even with all mw2 fcuk ups (and there are plenty) there is something there that is to me addictive and allows me to see past the Danger close noobtubers which black ops hasn't got and I can't look past it's lesser shortcomings as easily. IW took a chance on Mw2 and came up short, Treyarch didn't risk as much and didn't achieve a great deal.

mufcboy1999

good game and a lot better than that disaster of a game in mw2, could have been better though but a lot more enjoyable than mw2 which was too heavily reliant on killstreaks and the likes at least in black ops they took the emphasis of them and allowed the skill of the player to shine instead of calling in a harrier and hiding in a corner like many people did in mw2.

if mw3's multiplayer is like mw2's its going straight in the bin.

but there was still a good few letdowns in black ops i.e the maps were pretty bad and most of them were just too big... also it had serious connection problems haven't played it lately but im hearing it has got better... also the re-spawing was bad.

still though it was better than mw2.

Rastapitts

one of the best games i ever played. its about a year since its release and i still play it often cant say that about many games

x43r0

I would echo most of yimrag's sentiments.


When I compare the two I use the woman analogy. Black-Ops is the reliable girlfriend who doesn't cause you that much grief and is always there. The steady, not very exciting girl who your parents like. She enjoys baking, going on walks and the missionary position.

MW2 is that crazy ex who you used to skip school to hang out with. The one who comes over to meet your parents and has her hand down your pants under the dinner table. The one who your friends warn you against but for some reason unbeknownst to you, you can't get enough of, even though she does your head in and quite frankly scares the **** out of you at times.

senordingdong

Was I the only one that felt there was too many options in multiplayer?

I've barely gotten to play them all.

Bohrio

In my humble opinion Black Ops lack of the combination of things that made other COD great.

for example I think the perks were in the wrong tier. This made motion sensors for example, hard to counter.

For example, to counter the motion sensors you had to use hacker, but then you would be heard, make in it very hard to enjoy it.

Maybe a game type without secondaries etc would suit me better

But this is just my opinion, maybe it just doesnt suit my game style. I like rushing, found it much harder to rush as I think I am way too noisy...

Also I only play Search

Thomasheen

I'm not goin to waffle, I liked it

dan hibiki

well, this was my first cod game. i played the solo demo on psn, didnt enjoy it, so wasnt bothered about getting it. saw it on sale, pre-played for 20 quid so i bought it and havent looked back. multiplayer is engrossing. i play this almost exclusivley now. it is a huge amount of fun despite all of the little things that could have been better. there is no such thing as a perfect online multiplayer game, but this is as good as i have played. btw, zombies is muck imho.

Klair88

best COD IMO, Zombies and multiplayer are fantastic! played MW2 the other night and it was dirt. (personal view) theatre and combat record are genius while wager matches and zombies shine the best, treyarch are much much better than IW.

gimli2112

Used to play it a lot. Quit about 6 months ago and went back to MW2. Prestiged it this weekend and played one game. Remembered why I quit in the first place.

Crappy hit detection and just bland, imo.

Liked ascension, theatre mode and the AK47.

Enigma IE

Best all round COD game for me so far. Really liked the additions like the currency system, combat training, wager matches, theatre mode. I found myself using many different weapons and combinations of attachments, where in previous COD games I stuck to one or two reliables.

In terms of game time, I've only played BLOPS < 10 days, while I played > 20 days of MW2 but that's not a reflection of how much I enjoyed the game, merely a reflection on reduction of my gaming time in general.

KERSPLAT!

MW2 was my 1st MP game and I liked it at the time but I much prefere BLOPs. Lov all the extra game modes, combat training etc

The DLCs were a bit of a let down with only 2-3 decent maps from them all.

Overall I really liked it and think it's much better than MW2.

Snake Plisken

Glad to see lads coming out of the woodwork to support Blops over the months on this forum the usual suspects have been coming out and slagging off Blops but as outlined in this thread it's got some great innovations that are going to be carried over to MW3 e.g. wager matches Theatre Mode etc.

Cossax

Mostly echo Yimrag's and X's points, some good things introduced but probably outweighed by the look, feel, sound, excitement and Michael Bayness of MW2.
Racked up a ridiculous amount of days on MW2 and still play it a bit, only been on BO once in recent times and even then it was the draw of being in a party rather than of playing the game itself.

yimrsg

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Glad to see lads coming out of the woodwork to support Blops over the months on this forum the usual suspects have been coming out and slagging off Blops but as outlined in this thread it's got some great innovations that are going to be carried over to MW3 e.g. wager matches Theatre Mode etc.

You're making a mistake in calling people's honest feedback as slagging. There is sod all innovations in black ops, a more apt word is borrowing; theatre mode is from borrowed from halo 3, just like gun game is borrowed from CS (amongst others I think), zombie mode was around from WaW and dead ops is a throwback to early top down shooters. The little innovation there was in wager matches were ruined through dashboarders and weren't fully expanded upon. Elite's online stats elements is scarily familiar to what bungie and dice have done before.

Being brutally honest the call of duty franchise is severely lacking in innovation. Most first person shooters are generally similar in style, it comes with the territory. But Black Ops turned out bland. Innovative is about the worst word you could use to describe black ops, it's one of the most formulaic games in the series. It's still a good game to pass the time but it never attempted at being ground breaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbAs203r3Y

I don't like it, I don't dislike it, I'm apathetic to it. That's the worst thing a game should be.

Nuri Sahin

I'll miss dolphin diving as well

Witcher

I liked it, didn't log as much time on it as the others but I enjoyed it more and raged less:P

Awful anachronisms in the gun lineup though:pac:

Lab_Mouse

I've liked pretty much every CoD game(apart from 3)since CoD2 so this is no different .

Every game they release is going to have it's plus and minus points.

Im sure there are some aspects of mw3 i'll despise but likewise i'll probably like it over all.

Now about theatre mode...its responsible for the torrent of sh1te that passes off as game commentary etc.

prefer when people that liked making vids had to get the thumb out and spend some money and get a capture card thus weeding out the wanna be's:pac:

gcgirl

x43r0 wrote: »

I would echo most of yimrag's sentiments.


When I compare the two I use the woman analogy. Black-Ops is the reliable girlfriend who doesn't cause you that much grief and is always there. The steady, not very exciting girl who your parents like. She enjoys baking, going on walks and the missionary position.

MW2 is that crazy ex who you used to skip school to hang out with. The one who comes over to meet your parents and has her hand down your pants under the dinner table. The one who your friends warn you against but for some reason unbeknownst to you, you can't get enough of, even though she does your head in and quite frankly scares the **** out of you at times.

Best reply ever

ironictoaster

Solid game, new game modes and features, hours spent on it.

Money well spent.

Bobby Baccala

Black ops was a pure load of bollocks.
Story mode was horrendous.
Online was boringly easy.
One positive was that the first zombies map was alright.
I only played about 2 days on it compared to my 19 days on mw2 that shows how little i liked it.

hypermuse

there is another thing which Blops had that I don't think I saw previously as well which was a simple addition but probably the best one!

2 player online..

nothing worse than living with mates and if some1 is playing MW2.. you just sit and watch etc..

With Blops, you could pick up a controller and play multiplayer online together! A HUGE ADDITION!!! Prob my favorite thing it has over others...

Shammy

Stopped playing it months ago

Bobby Baccala

Shammy wrote: »

Stopped playing it months ago

i stopped playin it in january

TerrorFirmer

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Black ops was a pure load of bollocks.
Story mode was horrendous.
Online was boringly easy.
One positive was that the first zombies map was alright.
I only played about 2 days on it compared to my 19 days on mw2 that shows how little i liked it.

Storyline was horrendous compared to what, MW2? Don't get me wrong I loved MW2 SP but the storyline comes across as if it was written by a 10 year old Michael Bay. I thought MW2 SP was just as good as the one in BO but frankly, I consider the actual credibility of the storyline in BO somewhat more feasible.

You're making a mistake in calling people's honest feedback as slagging. There is sod all innovations in black ops, a more apt word is borrowing; theatre mode is from borrowed from halo 3, just like gun game is borrowed from CS (amongst others I think), zombie mode was around from WaW and dead ops is a throwback to early top down shooters. The little innovation there was in wager matches were ruined through dashboarders and weren't fully expanded upon. Elite's online stats elements is scarily familiar to what bungie and dice have done before.

Being brutally honest the call of duty franchise is severely lacking in innovation. Most first person shooters are generally similar in style, it comes with the territory. But Black Ops turned out bland. Innovative is about the worst word you could use to describe black ops, it's one of the most formulaic games in the series. It's still a good game to pass the time but it never attempted at being ground breaking.

That is pretty bizarre criticism. You do know the definition of innovation, right? To bring about change or to better, basically. Innovate does not mean to bring radically new hitertho unseen changes to the table despite, for whatever reason, people seeming to think that's what it means. It doesn't.

Theatre - new addition.
Dead Ops - new addition.
Zombie mode - new addition (to the modern franchise post MW2 franchise at least)
Gun Game - new addition, as well as all the other modes.

Just because it 'borrowed' these ideas from other games does not make it any less innovative in the sense of what it brought to the franchise.

The fact that Black Ops brought a whole load of extras to the COD franchise makes it innovative. The fact that these features appeared separately elsewhere does not make them suddenly non-innovative.

If you took that logic there's pretty much no innovative games in existence because most new or altered features are based upon something that's featured in other games before to some extent.

Compared to MW2, Black Ops innovated and it did so by bringing a whole load of new features that were not present in COD4 or MW2 to the table, and they set the bar for MW3 which had to step up and match those offerings despite being from a different developer.

Now if MW3 has absolutely no new features and instead is a different game with the same feature set from Black Ops - that would be a game deserving of the non-innovative tag, regardless of how good a game it may happen to be.

yimrsg

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That is pretty bizarre criticism. You do know the definition of innovation, right? To bring about change or to better, basically. Innovate does not mean to bring radically new hitertho unseen changes to the table despite, for whatever reason, people seeming to think that's what it means. It doesn't.

Theatre - new addition.
Dead Ops - new addition.
Zombie mode - new addition (to the modern franchise post MW2 franchise at least)
Gun Game - new addition, as well as all the other modes.

My point is that Call of Duty Black Ops isn't innovative compared to other FPS, there has been recent games based in first person like Portal, Left for Dead and Bioshock which were innovative and original but saying Black Ops is innovative when all it did was incorporate other features from other games into it is barely reaches the criteria of innovation. Shrewd is a far better description.

It's not tried to be original instead choosing to borrow or rehash. There was several FPS shooters released around black ops and to me they were all formulaic, without the call of duty name preceding black ops I doubt it would have risen head and shoulders over them.

Would you consider it innovative if there was a map building options for CoD? Or would you consider it a copy and paste job from a series that is bereft of creative ideas and instead looks to capitalise on what other games have done. Chances are most people would see a degree of both, my cynicism favours the latter.

Just because it 'borrowed' these ideas from other games does not make it any less innovative in the sense of what it brought to the franchise.

The fact that Black Ops brought a whole load of extras to the COD franchise makes it innovative. The fact that these features appeared separately elsewhere does not make them suddenly non-innovative.

Replace innovative for stealing/borrowing/poor creativity/unoriginal/etc. and your argument makes just as much sense. Perhaps if I'd used original instead of innovative and talked about FPS on the whole in my earlier post my thrust would have been more apparent.

If you took that logic there's pretty much no innovative games in existence because most new or altered features are based upon something that's featured in other games before to some extent.

Compared to MW2, Black Ops innovated and it did so by bringing a whole load of new features that were not present in COD4 or MW2 to the table, and they set the bar for MW3 which had to step up and match those offerings despite being from a different developer.

Now if MW3 has absolutely no new features and instead is a different game with the same feature set from Black Ops - that would be a game deserving of the non-innovative tag, regardless of how good a game it may happen to be.

I honestly don't think's it's innovative in terms of the FPS genre, in fact black ops is a damning game in highlighting the lack of originality and creative content being put in to FPS particularly the CoD franchise. Being the most innovative in the Call of Duty franchise is like being the only entrant in a competition. You can hoist it on your shoulders and declare it champion but it's a hollow meaningless victory.

CORaven

hypermuse wrote: »

there is another thing which Blops had that I don't think I saw previously as well which was a simple addition but probably the best one!

2 player online..

nothing worse than living with mates and if some1 is playing MW2.. you just sit and watch etc..

With Blops, you could pick up a controller and play multiplayer online together! A HUGE ADDITION!!! Prob my favorite thing it has over others...

Meh, in all honesty it was poorly implemented. Yes it was nice it have, but with all the restrictions (no kill feed, all classes got renamed, issues in SND, could not use the Camera, Mini map was pants). It could have been handled better.

Snake Plisken

@yimrsg If you hate the COD franchise and you think it's lazy and steals ideas from other games why do you keep playing it?

Bobby Baccala

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Storyline was horrendous compared to what, MW2? Don't get me wrong I loved MW2 SP but the storyline comes across as if it was written by a 10 year old Michael Bay. I thought MW2 SP was just as good as the one in BO but frankly, I consider the actual credibility of the storyline in BO somewhat more feasible.



That is pretty bizarre criticism. You do know the definition of innovation, right? To bring about change or to better, basically. Innovate does not mean to bring radically new hitertho unseen changes to the table despite, for whatever reason, people seeming to think that's what it means. It doesn't.

Theatre - new addition.
Dead Ops - new addition.
Zombie mode - new addition (to the modern franchise post MW2 franchise at least)
Gun Game - new addition, as well as all the other modes.

Just because it 'borrowed' these ideas from other games does not make it any less innovative in the sense of what it brought to the franchise.

The fact that Black Ops brought a whole load of extras to the COD franchise makes it innovative. The fact that these features appeared separately elsewhere does not make them suddenly non-innovative.

If you took that logic there's pretty much no innovative games in existence because most new or altered features are based upon something that's featured in other games before to some extent.

Compared to MW2, Black Ops innovated and it did so by bringing a whole load of new features that were not present in COD4 or MW2 to the table, and they set the bar for MW3 which had to step up and match those offerings despite being from a different developer.

Now if MW3 has absolutely no new features and instead is a different game with the same feature set from Black Ops - that would be a game deserving of the non-innovative tag, regardless of how good a game it may happen to be.

when did i compare the black ops campaign to mw2?
I'm not comparing it to anything i just hated it.
Get your facts right and don't make it out like i said things that i didnt say.