Am I ripped off?fake nct...

michelleans

Hi all;

Had bought a car on donedeal 2 months ago with 2 year nct on it there was a problem with the car took the my mechanic and he was checking his systems and he told me that the nct is fake on the car i tried the guy who i bough from but mobile turned off no response..it seems injectors are faulty and also bearing at the front...can anyone advise what should i do?report to garda or?

thanks

no1beemerfan

Was it a private sale? If so it will be hard get a refund etc on the car but I'd still report the fake nct to the Gardai.

michelleans

no1beemerfan wrote: »

Was it a private sale? If so it will be hard get a refund etc on the car but I'd still report the fake nct to the Gardai.

it was a private sale off donedeal not sure how i can get refund back i wonder if donedeal people can help somehow?

sean1141

how do you know its fake? have you contacted the nct to confirm that it is?

dr.fuzzenstein

If private sale the injectors are your problem sadly.
But the fake NCT is more serious, the seller should be done for fraud.
But I'd say he's long since changed his name, phone, number, etc...
Was the car advertised under a mobile number? Did you meet seller in a car park, petrol station, hotel, etc...?
Then I guess the seller bought a SIM pack, used it to offload a couple of (dodgy) cars and has long since thrown it away.

michelleans

sean1141 wrote: »

how do you know its fake? have you contacted the nct to confirm that it is?

No, i sent them an email but my mechanic checked and he also compared two nct discs and it seems the one i have on my car bit dodgy, he checked off the system from his computer and it seems it failed in july due to emissions and steering wheel

michelleans

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

If private sale the injectors are your problem sadly.
But the fake NCT is more serious, the seller should be done for fraud.
But I'd say he's long since changed his name, phone, number, etc...
Was the car advertised under a mobile number? Did you meet seller in a car park, petrol station, hotel, etc...?
Then I guess the seller bought a SIM pack, used it to offload a couple of (dodgy) cars and has long since thrown it away.

this is what we think, but we had met in fron of the square in Tallaght so once i get official paper from NCT, I am going directly to Gardai they might get the details from the square such as cctv images and i had found the car on web so hopefully will make out something from there...ip address and such...however not sure if i can get my money back which is my main concern now

mondeo

michelleans wrote: »

this is what we think, but we had met in fron of the square in Tallaght so once i get official paper from NCT, I am going directly to Gardai they might get the details from the square such as cctv images and i had found the car on web so hopefully will make out something from there...ip address and such...however not sure if i can get my money back which is my main concern now

Donedeal will have record of his debit/visa card that was used to pay for the add.

Also the Revenue will have his details as he use to own the car after all. There is no real issue finding out who he is once the Gardai are involved.

ronaneire

michelleans wrote: »

No, i sent them an email but my mechanic checked and he also compared two nct discs and it seems the one i have on my car bit dodgy, he checked off the system from his computer and it seems it failed in july due to emissions and steering wheel

You should ring them much quicker then sending an email and they can they can tell you straight away when it is due!
Phone lo-call: 1890 412 413
or: +353 (0) 1 413 5992

mondeo wrote: »

Donedeal will have record of his debit/visa card that was used to pay for the add.

Also the Revenue will have his details as he use to own the car after all. There is no real issue finding out who he is once the Gardai are involved.

No they might not, if he used his pre-payed mobile with the dodgy sim in it, also he could of topped this up with pre-purchased top up.

If the car wasn't in his name they could find it hard to trace him

But lets all wait and see is it forged rather then saying it is!

oregano

Even quicker way to find out. Have the Reg Cert in front of you, and go onto www.ncts.ie. Try to book the car in. If it tells you the car cannot be booked in, your NCT is valid.

michelleans

ronaneire wrote: »

You should ring them much quicker then sending an email and they can they can tell you straight away when it is due!
Phone lo-call: 1890 412 413
or: +353 (0) 1 413 5992



No they might not, if he used his pre-payed mobile with the dodgy sim in it, also he could of topped this up with pre-purchased top up.

If the car wasn't in his name they could find it hard to trace him

But lets all wait and see is it forged rather then saying it is!

Thanks all, I will ring NCT center first thing in the morning and find out when the car is due for NCT and will post here the findings, if it is fake right after work, I will report this to Garda. My main concern is to be able to get my money back and have the scumbag to be locked up to prevent harming other people. Having said that will find this out tomorrow...

CiniO

ronaneire wrote: »

Phone lo-call: 1890 412 413
or: +353 (0) 1 413 5992

OMG.
I was looking for that number for a long while one time, without joy.

Thanks for that.
It's very handy as otherwise you can't book NCT while you are abroad.

sean1141

michelleans wrote: »

he checked off the system from his computer and it seems it failed in july due to emissions and steering wheel

how has your mechanic access to nct records?

Del2005

michelleans wrote: »

Thanks all, I will ring NCT center first thing in the morning and find out when the car is due for NCT and will post here the findings, if it is fake right after work, I will report this to Garda. My main concern is to be able to get my money back and have the scumbag to be locked up to prevent harming other people. Having said that will find this out tomorrow...

I doubt you'll see any money back unless your very lucky and the chances of the person going to jail are as good as you getting any money back.

sean1141 wrote: »

how has your mechanic access to nct records?

Motorcheck/cartell account

sean1141

Del2005 wrote: »

Motorcheck/cartell account

would they tell what it failed on do?

Nissan doctor

IMO the fake NCT is the only issue here, unfortunately even a genuine seller wouldn't be responsible for the injectors or wheels bearing.

Wolverine_1999

Yes definitely just the NCT.. but criminal to say the least.

So difficult to find trustworthy and honest sellers these days :mad:

michelleans

Hi all;

Just an update - I called NCT center from the number that ronaneire provided (Thank you for that) and they escalated the case to certification department and will let me know the outcome.

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Originally Posted by michelleans View Post
he checked off the system from his computer and it seems it failed in july due to emissions and steering wheel

how has your mechanic access to nct records?

I dont know thats what he told me, he put on a machine and car reported numerous errors but he said the car cannot pass NCT with these values..

ronaneire

michelleans wrote: »

Hi all;

Just an update - I called NCT center from the number that ronaneire provided (Thank you for that) and they escalated the case to certification department and will let me know the outcome.

Quote:
Originally Posted by michelleans View Post
he checked off the system from his computer and it seems it failed in july due to emissions and steering wheel

how has your mechanic access to nct records?

I dont know thats what he told me, he put on a machine and car reported numerous errors but he said the car cannot pass NCT with these values..

These errors may have come on after the car it's previous test.

dr.fuzzenstein

If it takes the owner of the car that long to find out if NCT is genuine, how do the cops stand a chance by the roadside?
Considering to get my next NCT from Epson.

Del2005

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

If it takes the owner of the car that long to find out if NCT is genuine, how do the cops stand a chance by the roadside?
Considering to get my next NCT from Epson.

When I was buying my last car I knew the NCT was valid in the yard, the dealer ran a Motorcheck on it. Goes to show the value of spending €30 extra on the car.

I'm sure the Gardaí have quicker access then a 2nd hand car dealer has.

guil

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

If it takes the owner of the car that long to find out if NCT is genuine, how do the cops stand a chance by the roadside?
Considering to get my next NCT from Epson.

i'm sure they have access to a database similar to what they use for insurance

michelleans

Del2005 wrote: »

When I was buying my last car I knew the NCT was valid in the yard, the dealer ran a Motorcheck on it. Goes to show the value of spending €30 extra on the car.

I'm sure the Gardaí have quicker access then a 2nd hand car dealer has.

I am so regret now for not doing this beforehand:( also so annoyed to myself...:mad: but sure cannot go back and spend time on "what if"s so hopefully gardai will find this guy somehow, i contacted donedeal and they will provide full support to gardai once they contact to them; hope he used his own or friends laptop so that can be identified via an ip address or tracker...

dr.fuzzenstein

guil wrote: »

i'm sure they have access to a database similar to what they use for insurance

Well, every time I get stopped (well, waved through after cursory glance at discs) no Gard has ever checked any database.
Also, judging by the track-record of the Irish government and computers, I wouldn't be too worried about their electronic super-sleuthing abilities.
I will, of course, obtain my NCT via legitimate means, but a standard road check will wave you through 99% of the time.
This just to anyone actually considering this: it would be mental to do that for the sake of a few quid, as well as probably getting you into all sorts of hot water in case of an accident.
But as far as Gardai having access to a sort of super-duper database, well, maybe a few cars are equipped with it, but most of the time it's just a visual check.
ANPR probably much more efficient, but doubt I'll see that any time soon out rural.

mickdw

Have you got confirmation yet that the test is definitely fake?

I wouldnt be going on the word of a garage.

-Corkie-

mickdw wrote: »

Have you got confirmation yet that the test is definitely fake?

I wouldnt be going on the word of a garage.

Op dont say if it is fake.. I cannot understand why the Nct helpline cannot confirm this...

MrThrifty

I've seen different but genuine versions of the NCT cert - my car and OH's car! Thought myself one looked dodgy but then saw it other places too. Don't know if it was a type they switched to for a while or maybe it was issued only in some centres.

CiniO

michelleans wrote: »

I am so regret now for not doing this beforehand:( also so annoyed to myself...:mad: but sure cannot go back and spend time on "what if"s so hopefully gardai will find this guy somehow, i contacted donedeal and they will provide full support to gardai once they contact to them; hope he used his own or friends laptop so that can be identified via an ip address or tracker...

It's not about whose laptop was it, but where is was used.
If he used it in some public wifi (like airport or mcdonalds) you can generally forget about tracing anyone.

oregano

The printer in Fonthill NCT often leaves a run of black ink down the side of the cert and disc. The one in Naas uses a smaller font than Greenhills.

OP, Get the Gardai involved by all means, but ensure that it is a fraudulent disc first... Gardai will get on to the last owner, see who they disposed the vehicle to, etc etc.

CiniO

I still can't understands why OP didn't check it online.
It would take only few minutes to try to book a NCT test online.
If it can be booked, it means NCT disc is fake.
If it can't and website says "car is not liable for inspection" it means disc is fine.

OP is making horror stories for last 2 days, but didn't even bother checking it the easiest way, which was already proposed here.

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

I still can't understands why OP didn't check it online.
It would take only few minutes to try to book a NCT test online.
If it can be booked, it means NCT disc is fake.
If it can't and website says "car is not liable for inspection" it means disc is fine.

OP is making horror stories for last 2 days, but didn't even bother checking it the easiest way, which was already proposed here.

My thoughts exactly..

MrThrifty

Can we wait for verification of the NCT cert? Just go online now and check it now!! Put us out of our misery...!

michelleans

CiniO wrote: »

I still can't understands why OP didn't check it online.
It would take only few minutes to try to book a NCT test online.
If it can be booked, it means NCT disc is fake.
If it can't and website says "car is not liable for inspection" it means disc is fine.

OP is making horror stories for last 2 days, but didn't even bother checking it the easiest way, which was already proposed here.

I missed this part actually...i checked it and here what it says

No existing booking found. To proceed, a new booking needs to be scheduled.
Registration ID : xxxxxxx
Make: xxxxxx
Model: xxxxx
Year : xxxx
Registration Date : 10/12/2003
Test Centre : xxxxxx
Booking Status : Booking With No Confirmation Letter
Appointment Date : 10 June 2011
Appointment Time : 18:20
Appointment Email :
Service Type : Periodic Inspection
New Service Type : Periodic Inspection

I agree to the terms and conditions.

I hide the car's details just in case...

guil

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, every time I get stopped (well, waved through after cursory glance at discs) no Gard has ever checked any database.
Also, judging by the track-record of the Irish government and computers, I wouldn't be too worried about their electronic super-sleuthing abilities.
I will, of course, obtain my NCT via legitimate means, but a standard road check will wave you through 99% of the time.
This just to anyone actually considering this: it would be mental to do that for the sake of a few quid, as well as probably getting you into all sorts of hot water in case of an accident.
But as far as Gardai having access to a sort of super-duper database, well, maybe a few cars are equipped with it, but most of the time it's just a visual check.
ANPR probably much more efficient, but doubt I'll see that any time soon out rural.

the only time i have ever witnessed something like it was in 2004, i was only driving a week or so and was stpped by a paddy wagon in a petrol station, while 1 guard was talking to me the other gave my car reg over the radio and i heard the reply stating i was the registered owner, it was insured with x insurance company in my name and it was taxed and nct'd

CiniO

michelleans wrote: »

I missed this part actually...i checked it and here what it says

No existing booking found. To proceed, a new booking needs to be scheduled.
Registration ID : xxxxxxx
Make: xxxxxx
Model: xxxxx
Year : xxxx
Registration Date : 10/12/2003
Test Centre : xxxxxx
Booking Status : Booking With No Confirmation Letter
Appointment Date : 10 June 2011
Appointment Time : 18:20
Appointment Email :
Service Type : Periodic Inspection
New Service Type : Periodic Inspection

I agree to the terms and conditions.


I hide the car's details just in case...

Yeap.
It looks like your car doesn't have a valid NCT at the moment, so most likely your disc is fake.

michelleans

CiniO wrote: »

Yeap.
It looks like your car doesn't have a valid NCT at the moment, so most likely your disc is fake.

confirmed today bu NCT customer service...going to garda now...

Dear



Thank you for your recent enquiry. Unfortunately, under the Data Protection Act we are precluded from issuing National Car Test information as according to the National Vehicle Data File you were not the registered owner at the time of testing. Notwithstanding this I can confirm that vehicle registration number xxxxxxx is not currently in test.



If you should have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me







Kind regards

Jade Hickey

Customer Services Dept.

Jimmy Bottlehead

I rang 'em up to check mine, as it didn't show up as valid on the MotorCheck, but the NCTS person told me that it was indeed, valid.

Sorry to hear yours is fake though Best of luck chasing this down.

working fool

sorry to hear about your trouble ,
i travel around for my job and i use donedeal a lot .. theres a few common places that pop up regurally in photos on the site with various cars for sale .
theres a common feel to these adds ,,very little info ,long nct,s ,bargain prices ,a mobile contact and dare i say it not a very common irish name ."sorry but i can back this up if you want".
im my area ardee in co louth has 3 or 4 particular houses and one garage that keeps poping up ,,each add has a different moblie number on it.
i was allways wondering what the scam was your case has shown a light on that .

dr.fuzzenstein

[QUOTE=michelleans;75148361
Thank you for your recent enquiry. Unfortunately, under the Data Protection Act we are precluded from issuing National Car Test information as according to the National Vehicle Data File you were not the registered owner at the time of testing. Notwithstanding this I can confirm that vehicle registration number xxxxxxx is not currently in test.
[/QUOTE]

wow, that translates as "we are not allowed to tell you if your car does or does not have an NCT, but your car doesn't have an NCT".
Way to tie themselves up in legal knots.

ArphaRima

I read "We cant tell you anything about the period you did not own the car. However, now that you do own the car we can tell you its current status". Makes sense to me.

SIBERIA

You have been ripped off. Happened to someone i know, bloke brought him into his house for soup and sandwiches. Sold him the car ..went to a friends garage the next day two halves of two different cars (badly) welded together. Garda said nothing they can do as its a private sale, said its happening everyday. He knocked on your mans door and was told to **** off and door slammed in his face.

If it was me i would have drove the car into his sitting room

Do chase it up about the nct though. I'm sure that's 100% fraud maybe you can sue for that.

michelleans

**Update**

I went to Garda yesterday and they checked the car's plate number and they said the car was sold through a garage in Dublin that makes things little interesting so this man who sold me the car either bought from this garage and not registered and sold to me or garage made up an fake NCT...

Next step

Garda here in Limerick told me to fax the fake nct, mail i received from nct center and ownership form to Garda in Dublin and he said they will make a visit to the garage...

If I find this man, I will ask for a refund or going to sue him seems it is a big fraud against state laws..anyway will keep updating this forum going forward...

Thank you guys for all your help..

Atlantic Dawn

Is it a proper looking NCT, ie it has a hologram and a watermark on the disc or it it just a crappy colour photocopy of one. If it's the real deal paper then someone either inside or outside the NCT centre is making discs on the paper and it's likely to be a Garda investigation as to how the paper was obtained.

eringobragh

michelleans wrote: »

**Update**

I went to Garda yesterday and they checked the car's plate number and they said the car was sold through a garage in Dublin that makes things little interesting so this man who sold me the car either bought from this garage and not registered and sold to me or garage made up an fake NCT...

Next step

Garda here in Limerick told me to fax the fake nct, mail i received from nct center and ownership form to Garda in Dublin and he said they will make a visit to the garage...

If I find this man, I will ask for a refund or going to sue him seems it is a big fraud against state laws..anyway will keep updating this forum going forward...

Thank you guys for all your help..

If he was driving it, the insurance companies (if he didn't just scan a disc as well) will have his details...he didn't leave his disc in the car by any chance?

shannon_tek

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

If it takes the owner of the car that long to find out if NCT is genuine, how do the cops stand a chance by the roadside?
Considering to get my next NCT from Epson.

Camera's now days just type in the plate and they know everything. Ever look at roadwars. Yes i know this is not the uk but surely we cant be that stupid and far behind not to have software/hardware like the rest of the world

-Chris-

Can you prove whether the seller or the dealer faked the disk?

Can you prove that the seller knew the disk was fake?

TimCarGuy

hi, can you give us the make and model of the car....i know of one guy who is buying cars and faking the NCT cert and selling them on. I am sure its illegal and immoral. Can you describe the person you baught the car from.

TimCarGuy

Can you describe the guy who sold you the car? i.e. any distinguishing features? what make model of car did you buy?

Its both Illegal, Immoral and down right dangerous to so what this person has done.

-Chris-

Please don't provide identifying information about the seller unless you can absolutely prove that they're the ones guilty of faking the disk.

Also, if this is liable to go legal, better not to identify them at all.

n97 mini

TimCarGuy wrote: »

hi, can you give us the make and model of the car....i know of one guy who is buying cars and faking the NCT cert and selling them on.

One guy? I've met loads.

From my own experiences it would appear this is widespread in the EE community.

TimCarGuy

It seems to be a mechanism for making quick cash.....buy a car with a known problem i.e. very chep money...fake the NCT cert and Tax Disc and sell on to an unsuspecting buyer. making a profit owing to the apparent car being in good mechanical order and taxed.