Do people with no job..........

DWCommuter

......feel angry at people who have a job?

Lately I'm getting a lot of grief and **** from people who are unemployed. Many of them made more money than I did during the Celtic Tiger years, but obviously pissed it way. Now that I'm fairly okay running my own business and adapting to changed circumstances, I'm a little bit sick and tired of the begrudgery that unemployed people display towards me. I've done nothing wrong.

Tonight, I was abused to high heaven by a couple of assholes, (that are unemployed) who seem to dislike the fact that I'm in the pub when they are. The difference is, I can actually afford it and I doubt they can.

Is this a normal and healthy disconnect or am I being unfair or are the people who are unemployed, just angry and lashing out.

For the record, I was unemployed after leaving college in 1993 and then availed of Government incentives to start my own business. Still going, but got feck all out of the boom. However, the recession has been fairly good to me.

Colilfc

DWCommuter wrote: »

running my own business

Give us a job? Sound man.

Spread

Didn't realise that you got a grant for trolling? 'Tis a great country tobesure.

Cill Dara Abu

Feck them OP, you should have bought a bottle of champagne just to piss them off.

fran oconnor

They shouldn't be lashing out at you just because your working, i can understand their frustrated with everything thats happening over here, but its no reason to take it out on the people that are paying tax for there dole payments. Chin up man, you deserve what you get when you work hard for it..

Wetai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ1nK4mOuw

x in the city

or buy some fine cubans before you leave take off a wrapper beside them and walk out and go home.

DjFlin

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

woodoo

Did you not tell those two unemployed wretches that you are paying for their drink.

policarp

DWCommuter wrote: »

......feel angry at people who have a job?

Lately I'm getting a lot of grief and **** from people who are unemployed. Many of them made more money than I did during the Celtic Tiger years, but obviously pissed it way. Now that I'm fairly okay running my own business and adapting to changed circumstances, I'm a little bit sick and tired of the begrudgery that unemployed people display towards me. I've done nothing wrong.

Tonight, I was abused to high heaven by a couple of assholes, (that are unemployed) who seem to dislike the fact that I'm in the pub when they are. The difference is, I can actually afford it and I doubt they can.

Is this a normal and healthy disconnect or am I being unfair or are the people who are unemployed, just angry and lashing out.

For the record, I was unemployed after leaving college in 1993 and then availed of Government incentives to start my own business. Still going, but got feck all out of the boom. However, the recession has been fairly good to me.

Everyone does people with no job nowadays. . .

policarp

x in the city wrote: »

or buy some fine cubans before you leave take off a wrapper beside them and walk out and go home.

Don't forget a light and a bodyguard before you go home. . .

John R

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

I am sure you would, right now. Give it some time and the novelty of wasting your life cooking up transfats for ungrateful pigs for a very basic wage while your efforts help generate billions for the corporate bosses will soon leave you in the same state of mind as your mate.

Being unemployed (for those who want to make something of themselves) can be pretty miserable but the freedom of not having to live your life to someone else's timetable is great.

Saila

I take it you are a debt collector then

DjFlin

John R wrote: »

I am sure you would, right now. Give it some time and the novelty of wasting your life cooking up transfats for ungrateful pigs for a very basic wage while your efforts help generate billions for the corporate bosses will soon leave you in the same state of mind as your mate.

None of what you said is why my mate is so miserable though. He admits that he always does a half arsed job, shows up late, and is rude to customers, yet he doesn't get why the managers are always giving out to him. Its a continuous cycle of; not bothering to work, getting yelled at, getting pissed off & deciding to do a worse, job, getting yelled at, and so on. The phrase "Do a job right the first time" has no bearing on him whatsoever.

John R

John R wrote: »

Being unemployed (for those who want to make something of themselves) can be pretty miserable but the freedom of not having to live your life to someone else's timetable is great.

Unfortunately, there are very few people who are able to live life without having some form of income by working for someone else.

If you lived out in the sticks with a few hectares of land and became virtually self sufficient then you could have the pleasure of working only for yourself and paying no taxes etc.

The rest of the debt slaves just have to slog on, that includes "self employed" who are in reality working for the bank that financed their business in the first place.

LighterGuy

DWCommuter wrote: »

......feel angry at people who have a job?

Yes. Hell yes. Look at the outcry towards the public sector. Its a great example. Where was the moans about them in 2007? or 2003? or 2001? .. wasnt any. Because people were happy earning their own bit.

DWCommuter wrote: »

Lately I'm getting a lot of grief and **** from people who are unemployed. Many of them made more money than I did during the Celtic Tiger years, but obviously pissed it way.

Truth be known, while obviously some pissed it away. The same people who didnt would still give you loads for having a job.

DWCommuter wrote: »

Tonight, I was abused to high heaven by a couple of assholes, (that are unemployed) who seem to dislike the fact that I'm in the pub when they are. The difference is, I can actually afford it and I doubt they can.

Utter BS op,
Lets apply logic here. You (a working man) were in a pub. They (unemployed) were also in a pub. How in blue hell can they goto a pub if times are that rough ... that if cents count ... that they can give YOU a hard time for BEING MORE FINANCIALLY CAPABLE to goto a pub while they too are in it too.....Think about that.

Its begrudery and jealousy. Also throw some grade-A typical life bullsh*t in there. After all, where was the moans outta people 3-4 years ago? Wasnt none. Because people were too busy getting their share of the pie.

CrazyRabbit

I've been getting a lot of grief lately too....ever since people found out I'm spending quite a bit of money on a new motorbike. But...I work hard, save hard, invest well and don't drink/smoke/use drugs. So why should I feel guilty about giving myself an expensive treat every 8-10 years? Why should I feel guilty about having a good, secure job?

John R

DjFlin wrote: »

None of what you said is why my mate is so miserable though. He admits that he always does a half arsed job, shows up late, and is rude to customers, yet he doesn't get why the managers are always giving out to him. Its a continuous cycle of; not bothering to work, getting yelled at, getting pissed off & deciding to do a worse, job, getting yelled at, and so on. The phrase "Do a job right the first time" has no bearing on him whatsoever.

There is always the possibility that he just a gigantic tit who is destined to always be miserable. There is no shortage of those types around.

Maybe you will just love working no matter what the job but I would wager you will find the world of employment and particularly low paid dead-end jobs a pretty dull place once the initial elation of getting off the dole has faded away, most people at that end of the scale are just there to pay the bills.

Either way I wish you luck in getting to a place where you will find out for yourself.

LighterGuy

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I've been getting a lot of grief lately too....ever since people found out I'm spending quite a bit of money on a new motorbike. But...I work hard, save hard, invest well and don't drink/smoke/use drugs. So why should I feel guilty about giving myself an expensive treat every 8-10 years? Why should I feel guilty about having a good, secure job?

You shouldnt
And good on you for having a job and wanting to spend money on what you want dont mind people .... just assholes.

And hey, for the record i am on the social welfare. I just cant understand people who begrudge others of what they have.

3rdDegree

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I've been getting a lot of grief lately too....ever since people found out I'm spending quite a bit of money on a new motorbike. But...I work hard, save hard, invest well and don't drink/smoke/use drugs. So why should I feel guilty about giving myself an expensive treat every 8-10 years? Why should I feel guilty about having a good, secure job?

You shouldnt. It's just jealousy. I know a lot of people who smoke well over 200 euro a month and spend much more than that on boozing every weekend. Yet when the see someone like you buying a new car or bike, they go mental. If you can afford it and that's your interest, then buy the bike and enjoy it. You only live once.

Paddy Cow

I haven't seen any of that. Usually it's the other way around with employed people having a go at unemployed people. Some long term unemployed people who have never really worked and who have no intention of every working (apart from working the system) do have a massive sense of entitlement though and have themselves convinced that they are hard done by. They are in the minority and best to just ignore them.

When I was on the dole, one day when I was queuing up on signing day, there was some young people handing out fliers. I took one to read and pass the time. The jist of it was that they were unhappy with the way unemployed people are treated. They were outraged that some people had to queue for an hour before being able to sign on and thought the Government should do more to lessen the time spent in the queue. I was gobsmacked that they considered this a serious issue. FFS, you queue once a month. So you have to wait an hour. Big fecking deal. Perhaps the social should roll out the red carpet and serve horderves and champaigne so that people don't feel inconvienced while signing on to claim their free money.

Now if they had been complaining that some of the people who work for social welfare are arseholes who delight in making you feel like a lesser person, then I would have been all for it. Some of them are awful and if you are unemployed, you cannot complain about how you are treated because no one gives a sh!t but to be fair to them, the gob****es who delight in making people feel uncomfortable are in the minority and you'll have that in any industry.

What I do hate, is when you are having a moan about your job and some gob****e says "well at least you are lucky enough to have a job, don't be complaining" :rolleyes: That's as irritating as when someone says "smile, it'll never happen" and although violence is never the answer, I think legally we should be allowed to give people who utter such nonsense a good slap :pac:

John R

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately, there are very few people who are able to live life without having some form of income by working for someone else.

If you lived out in the sticks with a few hectares of land and became virtually self sufficient then you could have the pleasure of working only for yourself and paying no taxes etc.

The rest of the debt slaves just have to slog on, that includes "self employed" who are in reality working for the bank that financed their business in the first place.

Tell me about it. The only way I justify remaining in work is that it is financing my future decampment to my own piece of land with enough financial freedom to tell the rest of the world to get stuffed.

It is not even that I dislike my job, it is alright most of the time and is in an area I chose to go into but I do dislike all the time it sucks up that I could be doing something better with.

As for people getting grief off the unemployed for having jobs I suggest hanging out with different people. Obviously if the wasters down the pub know you enough to know your business then you have gotten too friendly with them at some stage. Change your local and avoid the losers in your new choice, they are rarely hard to spot.

jobeenfitz

wouldn't let it get to me if someone giving me **** cos I had a job or money. Might even find a different pub to drink in. Maybe it was the drink talking. Hope you were not looking down on these lads cos they unemployed cos that could cause ****, not accusing you, just asking. I work, I go to the pub ocassionally (can't afford it too often) and never had any hassle from people unemployed, friends or strangers.

policarp

3rdDegree wrote: »

You shouldnt. It's just jealousy. I know a lot of people who smoke well over 200 euro a month and spend much more than that on boozing every weekend. Yet when the see someone like you buying a new car or bike, they go mental. If you can afford it and that's your interest, then buy the bike and enjoy it. You only live once.

And spend more on clothes and clubbing, and still begrudge.
It's your life, live it. OP,

DjFlin

John R wrote: »

There is always the possibility that he just a gigantic tit who is destined to always be miserable. There is no shortage of those types around.

Maybe you will just love working no matter what the job but I would wager you will find the world of employment and particularly low paid dead-end jobs a pretty dull place once the initial elation of getting off the dole has faded away, most people at that end of the scale are just there to pay the bills.

Either way I wish you luck in getting to a place where you will find out for yourself.

I'm going to stick with the gigantic tit assumption.

I have worked as a kitchen porter, with crappy pay, hours and a horrible boss, but at the end of the day, I was just glad to have it.

I've never been on the dole, but I do know what you mean, the feeling that the money on the first payday was well earned. Twas a good feeling to have, and I do miss it.:o

John R

Paddy Cow wrote: »

What I do hate, is when you are having a moan about your job and some gob****e says "well at least you are lucky enough to have a job, don't be complaining" :rolleyes: That's as irritating as when someone says "smile, it'll never happen" and although violence is never the answer, I think legally we should be allowed to give people who utter such nonsense a good slap :pac:

Agreed. Funny I don't recall luck being involved in me getting jobs. I do remember me (and my family) putting time and money into gaining qualifications that enabled me to get the work I wanted, that and a good deal of CVs and job application letters.

There are plenty out there now that are unlucky to be in the position of wanting to work and facing a terrible job market but that is not the same thing. I do have sympathy for people in that situation and would never have a go at them or begrudge them state benefits unlike the perennial handout merchants who have no intention of paying their way in life whatever the economy is like and will always find some way of staying out of work.

log22

For all the assholes commenting we pay your dole..do you think that the majority off the people want to be on the dole no. like a recent report stated very few of the people on the dole want to be there.So think before you make stupid statements.some people think they can belittle people on the dole without knowing there circumstances.

AeoNGriM

DWCommuter wrote: »

Now that I'm fairly okay running my own business and adapting to changed circumstances

Translation : I sell heroin on street corners and have two lads keepin' sketch for the Garda

Maybe you're just a cnut and people don't like you, OP?

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.



I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

Would ya ever shut the fcuk up, if you had to work seven days a week in McD's, you'ld get fcuked off after a couple months and be in the exact same situation as your mate, so stop being such a massive arsehole please.

Mod note: banned

stovelid

What's with all these post-Celtic tiger rectitude trumpet blowing threads of late?

DaveDaRave

It usually seems to be people who do have jobs are angry at people who don't have a job if you go by a lot of threads on boards.

"ive got a mortgage, i work 50 hours a week for 200 euro while these wasters do nothing but drink cans wah wah wah"

Snakeblood

They do seem to get upset when I shout 'I can buy and sell people like you'. But I think that's only natural.

AudreyHepburn

In general people who moan about their jobs don't bother, I just let them at it.

However when I was unemployed and really struggling to find work it used to really get my goat when people moaned about their jobs. I don't care how annoying it is to hear, if you have a job at the moment then you are lucky whether you like it or not. This is coming from some-one who spent six months struggling to get work and unable to get the dole. I know how lucky I am to be working. People really need to learn to be a little more grareful.

Lando Griffin

These type of threads disturb me.
One way to put a stop to this kind of spite is to introduce a job swap senario, where a person on the dole comes in to do your job for a week, and you stay at home smoking spliffs and drinking Duth Gold eating pizza and watching daytime television, (you are also allowed three trips to the bookies) But also as part of the agreement you must spend at least 10% of your time getting turned down for jobs.
The person on the Job side of the swap must put all the skills learned on the building sites to one side for the week and stick to one task at a time and not be rushing off to different tasks leaving each and every one of them unfinished and useless. They must also partake in a full weeks work, no running down to the shop getting supplies every few hours and taking holidays in the middle of the process.

Colilfc

Colilfc wrote: »

Give us a job? Sound man.

How d'you know he runs a recording studio? And do you really think he needs a sound man?

im invisible

woodoo wrote: »

Did you not tell those two unemployed wretches that you are paying for their drink.

thats probably what started the whole thing off...

Eve_Dublin

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

People are entitled to have a moan about their job and this whole, "Oh you're lucky to have one" malarky IS true but Jesus, the guy is only human, give him a break. I can imagine working in McDonalds must be absolutely **** (speaking as person whose worked in the food service industry for many years back in the day). At least he didn't turn his nose up at the job like many others would. If you want to get into to that malarky, then you've no right to complain about being on the dole when there's millions of people with no work who are not receiving unemployment benefit indefinitely from their government.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Burn a few €20 notes in front of them next time you see them....thats sure to pacify them and make them realise they're being complete and utter twats!

DjFlin

AeoNGriM wrote: »

DWCommuter wrote: »

Now that I'm fairly okay running my own business and adapting to changed circumstances

Translation : I sell heroin on street corners and have two lads keepin' sketch for the Garda

Maybe you're just a cnut and people don't like you, OP?

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.



I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

Would ya ever shut the fcuk up, if you had to work seven days a week in McD's, you'ld get fcuked off after a couple months and be in the exact same situation as your mate, so stop being such a massive arsehole please.

He works two day a week. But your right, that's really f*cking hard, two whole days like, it could kill a man. Sorry for beingsuch a massive arsehole.

GeorgeBailey

DjFlin wrote: »

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends,

Just because someone has a job doesn't mean they have to like it or that they shouldn't be allowed to complain about it.

DjFlin wrote: »

hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

and if you did that I'd give you at most 2 months before you started complaining about it to anyone who'd listen

DjFlin

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

DjFlin wrote: »

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends,

Just because someone has a job doesn't mean they have to like it or that they shouldn't be allowed to complain about it.

DjFlin wrote: »

hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

and if you did that I'd give you at most 2 months before you started complaining about it to anyone who'd listen

I worked six days a week as a cleaner in a restaurant, I cleaned toilets, and washed the floors. Never once did I complain.

I'm only twenty, and it scares the living f*ck out of me that people my age feel so wronged by having to do a hard days work.

ShadowHearth

Sorry, but those who are on the dole have way happier faces, then the ones who work full time jobs.

I heard and read loads of stories where companies can't fill in positions they are offering. Those who are on dole are not arsed to go work full time for few quid extra per week.

I am working 6+ years here and I am between 5 jobs now. When I walked away or were let go, first thing I did was: make a cv and go to any restaurant, butcher shop in area. Most I waited for a job was 2 days. One time I already got a job, even before finishing my last day in previuos one when I was told "sorry, we are making cut backs, last in, first out"


I know there are people like me, who make cv first, not application for dole, but you can't ignore the face that there are soooo many freeloaders, who just taking system for a ride.

Eve_Dublin

DjFlin wrote: »

I worked six days a week as a cleaner in a restaurant, I cleaned toilets, and washed the floors. Never once did I complain.

I'm only twenty, and it scares the living f*ck out of me that people my age feel so wronged by having to do a hard days work.

People moan about work....that's what humans do. It's a necessary evil and people would rather have fun than work. That's a fact for almost every sane thinking person on this planet. Vast majority of people on this planet don't like working.

Do you think you're mate feels wronged or is just having a moan like the rest of us? Surely he's chosen to work over going on the dole and that says something? I understand how you must be feeling right now but I wouldn't take the moaning so seriously. It's just venting the spleen.

Jay D

DWCommuter wrote: »

......feel angry at people who have a job?

Lately I'm getting a lot of grief and **** from people who are unemployed. Many of them made more money than I did during the Celtic Tiger years, but obviously pissed it way. Now that I'm fairly okay running my own business and adapting to changed circumstances, I'm a little bit sick and tired of the begrudgery that unemployed people display towards me. I've done nothing wrong.

Tonight, I was abused to high heaven by a couple of assholes, (that are unemployed) who seem to dislike the fact that I'm in the pub when they are. The difference is, I can actually afford it and I doubt they can.

Is this a normal and healthy disconnect or am I being unfair or are the people who are unemployed, just angry and lashing out.

For the record, I was unemployed after leaving college in 1993 and then availed of Government incentives to start my own business. Still going, but got feck all out of the boom. However, the recession has been fairly good to me.

Sounds to me like a bragging thread and nothing else. People are largely envious of others with a little extra cash. Doesn't matter if you're a business owner, a lotto winner, someone who has a handy job with loads of tips or whatever. If you wanna survive maybe you should adapt to these behaviors. It's life.

the groutch

Some people are just born moaners.
They'll moan when they're on the dole, about not being able to get a job, and not being handed enough money for doing nothing.
And when they get a job they'll moan about their job because they're not getting paid enough and the work is "too hard".

fishy fishy

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm unemployed. I'm envious of my friends who have jobs, but I don't take the p*ss out of them for it, doesn't make sense to do so.

I will say this though, a friend of mine works in a McDonald's, and does nothing but bitch and moan about how much he hates it, and how he'd rather be unemployed (Wont quit though). It really drives me insane, he complains about having to work weekends, hell, I'd work every day of the week for a solid pay.

so why not apply to McDonalds then. You might say that now, but in reality you would not work every day of the week for a "solid" pay. You would be up in arms that you work so many hours and can't afford to live on it, and will be less able to live on it now after the lovely budget coming up.


Your friend has a right to Biatch and moan - hes doing an honest days work for meagre pay. He's probably watching people on the dole (not all) lying around watching daytime TV, and getting free this, free that, free the other, while he works hard and gets sweet FA. so leave him alone - he's entitled to biatch and moan .

if you would work every day of the week for "solid" pay, get up and do it. but then again, it would depend on what you mean by "solid" pay, wouldn't it.

DWCommuter

jobeenfitz wrote: »

wouldn't let it get to me if someone giving me **** cos I had a job or money. Might even find a different pub to drink in. Maybe it was the drink talking. Hope you were not looking down on these lads cos they unemployed cos that could cause ****, not accusing you, just asking. I work, I go to the pub ocassionally (can't afford it too often) and never had any hassle from people unemployed, friends or strangers.

I was just sitting at the bar reading a paper. Got the grief every time they came up for a drink. I know them to see and never had any issues with them until recently.

DWCommuter

Jay D wrote: »

Sounds to me like a bragging thread and nothing else. People are largely envious of others with a little extra cash. Doesn't matter if you're a business owner, a lotto winner, someone who has a handy job with loads of tips or whatever. If you wanna survive maybe you should adapt to these behaviors. It's life.

Its not a bragging thread, well not from my point of view anyway. I'm sure all of us are a little envious of others on a regular basis. Its life. But to have it thrown in your face is enough to piss me off.

Jay D

Sorry if i picked you up wrong then, just seemed like a lot of detail to make a point. Maybe get some help if it's dragging you down. Don't let it get to you, well at least try.

kjmbreslin

I am receiving social welfare at the moment and rather than feeling sorry for myself about dipping into the pockets of hard working Irish people I would work for my dole and I work on a voluntary basis at public service level. So now I dont feel half as bad yet I would gladly like to see my voluntary position turn into a full time position. Generally I find its the employed people who question me and unemployed people in general about not working. But it doesnt bother me, I will get a job some day!!!

Ellis Dee

I have never needed to draw unemployment assistance, but know plenty of people who have and some who are currently on the dole. Never once in my life have I heard an unemployed person express resentment of those with jobs. Maybe I'm just lucky that the unemployed people I know are not so stupid that they would blame other workers rather than those who have the power to shape the economy in such a way that more jobs would be generated.:):)

Logical Fallacy

OP, i don't think it's normal or healthy to ask a question of half a million people because of two chaps down the pub tbh.