is lamping illegal

One shot on kill

i was haven dinner today with a friend and i was telling him about been out last nite lamping

then he blurted out lamping is illegal and was fairly sure

i said lamping deer was illegal and thats all i know he reckons its illegal to discharge a firearm after dark

kildare.17hmr

NO your friend is WRONG dude make sure you tell him that

podge.243

Your friend is WRONG you can lamp foxes and rabbit's so work away.

snipeface

Wrong. Your friend obviously isn't a shooter.
Correct. It's illegal to shoot deer between the hours of sundown and sunup.
Correct. You can lamp FOXES and RABBITS.

One shot on kill

ye was fairly sure i was right but sure no talking to some lads but he works 600 acres which i shoot so im not gonna say to much

haven said that it just came to mind the first time i ever went out lamping he took me out

he isnt a shooter has a gun alright but isnt into it to be fair

Spunk84

Sorry to tell you lads but it "IS" legal to lamp deer once you have a permit;)

snipeface

One shot on kill wrote: »

ye was fairly sure i was right but sure no talking to some lads but he works 600 acres which i shoot so im not gonna say to much

haven said that it just came to mind the first time i ever went out lamping he took me out

he isnt a shooter has a gun alright but isnt into it to be fair

I will add that your'e obliged to notify your local guard station if you intend to go lamping/shooting, and exactly where.

It wasn't me!

snipeface wrote: »

I will add that your'e obliged to notify your local guard station if you intend to go lamping/shooting, and exactly where.

No, you're not, unless that's a condition of your licence.

One shot on kill

snipeface wrote: »

I will add that your'e obliged to notify your local guard station if you intend to go lamping/shooting, and exactly where.

dont think thats the first time i heard that but it does make sense but who actually does it

kildare.17hmr

snipeface wrote: »

I will add that your'e obliged to notify your local guard station if you intend to go lamping/shooting, and exactly where.

Dont think so dude!

Lamping is down as one of my reasons on my 223 licence and iv never been asked to tell anyone

Spunk84

snipeface wrote: »

I will add that your'e obliged to notify your local guard station if you intend to go lamping/shooting, and exactly where.

i think thats more British law, in the North when i went lamping i had to call the barricks to tell them who i was and where i would be:D it was more for the brits doing patrols at nights and you sneaking up on them...... As for in the south ive never heard of it.

snipeface

Well lads if ye'er right then my bad.

J.R.

One shot on kill wrote: »

i was haven dinner today with a friend and i was telling him about been out last nite lamping

then he blurted out lamping is illegal and was fairly sure

i said lamping deer was illegal and thats all i know he reckons its illegal to discharge a firearm after dark

www.nargc.ie

LAMPING FOXES - THE LEGAL POSITION


Section 45 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000 amends Section 38 of the 1976 Act which applied to the use of lamps, mirrors, dazzling equipment etc., for the purposes of hunting. Section 38 of the '76 Act was substituted by this completely new Section. The amendment states that it will be illegal for any person to hunt any protected wild animal or protected wild bird while using a lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial dazzling device. Also prohibited are any devices for illuminating, image intensifying or heat seeking, night sights, or any device which the Minister may declare as coming within this category.

It will be lawful to use such devices while ringing or marking or while hunting for educational or scientific purposes under licence issued by the Minister. The Minister may amend or revoke an order made under this Section. The most important thing for hunting people to know about this Section is that the ban on the use of lamps and the other equipment mentioned, applies only to protected wild birds and protected wild animals. Therefore, contrary to what some people would assert, and have asserted in the past, even people in regulatory positions, it is not illegal to hunt by lamping foxes or rabbits, neither of which are protected and no licence is necessary. This is a question which comes up again and again. However, please note that while it is not illegal to lamp a fox or rabbit from a public road for the purposes of shooting, it most definitely is illegal to shoot from a road. In addition, it should be borne in mind that the use of a mechanically propelled vehicle may not be used for the purposes of hunting any wild animal, whether the vehicle is stationary or moving. Therefore a hunter must not be in any vehicle while lamping. (Section 44 Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000).

This has always been the case and this distinction needs to be emphasised here. The shot should be taken from inside the field and then at a distance of not less than 60 feet (measured in meters now) from the road and shooting away from the direction of the road. Legally, lamping and shooting are two distinctly different acts.

poulo6.5

Spunk84 wrote: »

Sorry to tell you lads but it "IS" legal to lamp deer once you have a permit;)

only if you have a section 42 and then only if the section 42 states that lamping is permitted and even then it will be for a limited number of animals and usually only stags.
thats assuming you are already a licensed hunter and hold a license for a deer legal rifle

not that straight forward and not for everyone.

however it is legal to lamp all night if you want. where some might get confused is it is not legal to shoot from the road. you must be 60 yards from the road.

Spunk84

poulo6.5 wrote: »

only if you have a section 42 and then only if the section 42 states that lamping is permitted and even then it will be for a limited number of animals and usually only stags.
thats assuming you are already a licensed hunter and hold a license for a deer legal rifle

not that straight forward and not for everyone.

however it is legal to lamp all night if you want. where some might get confused is it is not legal to shoot from the road. you must be 60 yards from the road.

Yea that was the permit bit. Never knew you could until I was speaking to one of the deer alliance crowd the other night.

One shot on kill

, it is not illegal to hunt by lamping foxes or rabbits, neither of which are protected and no licence is necessary. This is a question which comes up again and again. However, please note that while it is not illegal to lamp a fox or rabbit from a public road for the purposes of shooting, it most definitely is illegal to shoot from a road. In addition, it should be borne in mind that the use of a mechanically propelled vehicle may not be used for the purposes of hunting any wild animal, whether the vehicle is stationary or moving.

ok i understand that its fairly clear
Therefore a hunter must not be in any vehicle while lamping.

so its not illegal to lamp from the road but if your in a car on the road it is. is that right i understand you cant shoot from a car alright

but it does say

lamping and shooting are two distinctly different acts.[/QUOTE]

Spunk84

You can lamp from the road but can't shoot from what I know. The problem is that if you get a thick Gard with an attitude problem this is were problems arrive.

poulo6.5

One shot on kill wrote: »

, it is not illegal to hunt by lamping foxes or rabbits, neither of which are protected and no licence is necessary. This is a question which comes up again and again. However, please note that while it is not illegal to lamp a fox or rabbit from a public road for the purposes of shooting, it most definitely is illegal to shoot from a road. In addition, it should be borne in mind that the use of a mechanically propelled vehicle may not be used for the purposes of hunting any wild animal, whether the vehicle is stationary or moving.

ok i understand that its fairly clear
Therefore a hunter must not be in any vehicle while lamping.

so its not illegal to lamp from the road but if your in a car on the road it is. is that right i understand you cant shoot from a car alright

but it does say

lamping and shooting are two distinctly different acts.

[/QUOTE]

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legal illegal...

yes you can shine a light from a car van jeep quad etc be it on the road or in a field.

no you cant shoot from a car van jeep quad etc be it on the road or in a field.

you can shine a light to search for fox/rabbit from the road, when you want to shoot you must get out of your car, jeep, van what ever and enter the field and shoot. making sure not to shoot in the direction of the road or houses/farm buildings.

all within the law and great crack if you are with one or two of the lads.

a great way to pass a few hours in the evening

happy hunting:D

One shot on kill

yes you can shine a light from a car van jeep quad etc be it on the road or in a field.

no you cant shoot from a car van jeep quad etc be it on the road or in a field.

you can shine a light to search for fox/rabbit from the road, when you want to shoot you must get out of your car, jeep, van what ever and enter the field and shoot. making sure not to shoot in the direction of the road or houses/farm buildings.



cheers for that was unsure about the light from the car but its fairly clear now
cheers

landkeeper

i would strongly disagree

TABLE

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

that to me from the wildlife act amendments would suggest lamping anything from a vehicle on the road or not for the purpose of shooting it later is illegal

poulo6.5

landkeeper wrote: »

i would strongly disagree

TABLE

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

that to me from the wildlife act amendments would suggest lamping anything from a vehicle on the road or not for the purpose of shooting it later is illegal

sorry landkeeper but what are you quoting there? or did you just think by writing the word "TABLE" and then (1) and (a) in front of what you think then its official.

this has been done to death here and also in deep discussion in my local gun club.

i dont know what your agenda is but you always try to put a negative spin on things

landkeeper

my negative spin is i'm sick to death of the idiots driving around lamping fields from jeeps where there is stock too much stuff is getting shot and frightened by dickheads
here i'm sorry if i didn't copy the whole thing


thw wildlife act ammendments from 2000
44.—Section 36 of the Principal Act is hereby amended—

(a) in subsection (1)—

(i) by the deletion of “but subject to section 42”,

(ii) in paragraph (a), by the substitution of “wild animal” for “protected wild animal”, and

(iii) in paragraph (b), by the substitution of “wild bird” for “protected wild bird”,

(b) by the substitution, in subsection (2), of “wild birds or wild animals” for “protected wild birds or protected wild animals”, and

(c) by the insertion of the following after subsection (4):

“(5) In this section, ‘mechanically-propelled' includes propulsion which is electrical or partly electrical and partly mechanical.”,

and the said subsections (1) and (2), as so amended, are set out in the Table to this section.

TABLE

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

(b) any wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft, while it is being so propelled.

(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1) of this section, a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft may be used to capture or kill, pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted in that behalf by the Minister and for such educational, scientific or other purposes as are specified in the licence, wild birds or wild animals of a species so specified.

so if your driving along the road or the field for that matter looking for a fox or rabbit with the intent to shoot it you are in breach of that ammendmant or that's how it was explained to me, the act used to state protected wild animal but was amended in 200 to any wild animal

poulo6.5

that has nothing to do with lamping. according to you then anyone out walking with a torch or checking their live stock with a lamp is breaking the law.

its not our fault if there are a few idiots out upsetting your animals.

all the farmers that i have ever spoken to in relation to shooting are only to happy to have a responsible shooter around taking care of vermin for them

i will say it again. lamping from the road is not against the law. it is perfectly legal and i for one have done and will continue to do it.

just dont shoot from the road or car ...

Cass

poulo6.5 wrote: »

lamping from the road is not against the law. ...

Once you are not in a mechanically propelled vehicle.

landkeeper

read it again livestock are not wild animals and your not disturbing them with the intention of hunting them
spotting a fox or rabbit from a car or jeep apparently is if you intend to shoot it

a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

poulo6.5

[/QUOTE]"that's how it was explained to me, the act used to state protected wild animal but was amended in 200 to any wild animal[/QUOTE]

THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM.

the words "thats how it was explained to me"

Cass

You need to serperate the two.

Any wild animal or any wild birds relates ONLY to those animals/birds that have a season and are otherwise protected. Foxes are not. However you are still not allowed to hunt from a mechanically propelled vehicle which includes lamping as lamping is classed as hunting.

landkeeper

whatever, you bang away lamping from the road you'll run into the wrong lad and you'll find out whose right or wrong it's your fac on the line

poulo6.5

landkeeper wrote: »

whatever, you bang away lamping from the road you'll run into the wrong lad and you'll find out whose right or wrong it's your fac on the line

OK..:D

cavan shooter

t this thread a while back this should clear it up. The answer lies in the definitions and using a lamp to search is hunting. Therefore even lamping from a mechanically propelled vehicle is hunting "to search for" so lamping on a road while it isnt illegal, sitting in the car lamping is. BTW that goes for parked up in a field 300 yards from a road.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056364680&page=9

Hope this helps clarify somethings...

7.62 rule

Hi,

Gardai from Listowel County Kerry, searched a car they believed was being used to lamp foxes in the Ballybunion area, They found drivers gun with the passenger, ok. We'll they took the .22 hornet and charged the guy holding.
The NARGC are fighting the case.

The gun was empty, but the Gardai still took the gun and filed charges regardless.

So in my opinion, it's not whats the law, but how your local Gardai believe is the law, and that can be two different things.

If we didn't have the NARGC to turn to we'd be in right trouble.

That said to many messers in my opinion are shooting road traffic signs, horses, cow, a donkey in Abbeyfeale, list goes on. It makes life tuff for lampers that know what they are doing.

Sparks

7.62 rule wrote: »

Gardai from Listowel County Kerry, searched a car they believed was being used to lamp foxes in the Ballybunion area, They found drivers gun with the passenger, ok. We'll they took the .22 hornet and charged the guy holding.
The NARGC are fighting the case.
The gun was empty, but the Gardai still took the gun and filed charges regardless.
So in my opinion, it's not whats the law, but how your local Gardai believe is the law, and that can be two different things.

If that case gets past the defence solicitor pointing out Section 2(3)(f) of the Firearms Act, I'll be fairly surprised:

( f ) the carriage for sporting purposes only of a firearm or ammunition under instructions from and for the use of the holder of a firearm certificate for such firearm or ammunition;

bazza888

ithought you were only ment to have the rifle cased in the boot,that you cant have it where a passenger can acess it?

Sparks

That's a security guideline bazza, and not a daft one; but AFAIK it's not illegal for someone else to be holding it for you as described. It's specifically permitted under the act (though the original intent was probably more to do with driven shoots than that specific case).