Irish language and schools?

kylith

Oranage2 wrote: »

Indeed but what if the person lands you with thebombshell of a greeting "dia duit" first?

Person A: "Dia duit"
Me: "Hallo"

Person A would think I retarded or something.

I just think with growing demand for non religous schools that we should be consistant across the board.

I wouldn't say so. If I said "good afternoon" to someone and they responded with "hello" I wouldn't think they were mentally deficient. I'd take it as 'I hear and acknowledge your greeting'.

dlofnep wrote: »

I am.

Me to. Well!

dlofnep

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't say so. If I said "good afternoon" to someone and they responded with "hello" I wouldn't think they were mentally deficient. I'd take it as 'I hear and acknowledge your greeting'.


Me to. Well!

Bhuel

ShooterSF

Enkidu wrote: »

That's a separate issue to what Irish-speaking atheists should say in conversation though isn't it?

Oh it is, but it's hard not to at least have it pointed out here. Imagine two friends began a conversation as such,

Friend 1 "I'm gonna go on a murderous rampage with an AK-47"
Friend 2 "M-16 would be much better..."
Debate over which gun is better for a bit before turning to you for your input. If you were strongly against murdering rampages you'd at least qualify your response with that fact even if it were off topic before going into preferences over a particular gun right?

As such as I've already given my qualifier, I think if you are to teach children Irish you should teach it as it's spoke by it's fluent speakers as the goal of any language is the successful communication of ideas/feelings/etc to another person. Language after all is just a tool and if a person understands that you simply mean "courteous greeting" then it has done it's job regardless of original meanings or translated meanings of words.

Oranage2

ShooterSF wrote: »

Oh it is, but it's hard not to at least have it pointed out here. Imagine two friends began a conversation as such,

Friend 1 "I'm gonna go on a murderous rampage with

Stopped reading there it just got too stupid.


Anyway I guess atheism and agnosticism is just for Christmas -

Coriolanus

By being atheist or agnostic you aren't required to oppose each and every manifestation of theism. That would be anti-theism, and while the two (or three?) concepts are found in bed together often enough, they don't have to be.

ShooterSF

Oranage2 wrote: »

Stopped reading there it just got too stupid.

Shame you missed out on the point so. I might even have been agreeing with you (I wasn't) but you'll never know now (unless you read the combination of letters in the previous set of braces).

Anyway I guess atheism and agnosticism is just for Christmas -

Atheism has nothing do with our outlooks on language so both of us can still be atheists 365 days a year while disagreeing on everything else. Atheism doesn't have rules on how you should feel about other things.

Can I ask do you find yourself speaking Irish a lot btw? I don't so maybe that's colouring my opinion. Perhaps you do and it's a bigger annoyance?

ShooterSF

Also as an aside OP, thought I'd seen your username here not so long ago, hope you don't mind me referencing previous points you have made. On both the social welfare/Jebus pic thread and the time to ban the angelus thread you slated fellow atheists for wanting to impose nanny states and made comparisons to china whilst suggesting a live and let live belief. Now some posters don't agree with your desire to force schools to stop teaching the phrase "Dia duit" (sp? as I said, don't speak Irish) and you mock them for not being atheist enough?!

Oranage2

ShooterSF wrote: »

Also as an aside OP, thought I'd seen your username here not so long ago, hope you don't mind me referencing previous points you have made. On both the social welfare/Jebus pic thread and the time to ban the angelus thread you slated fellow atheists for wanting to impose nanny states and made comparisons to china whilst suggesting a live and let live belief. Now some posters don't agree with your desire to force schools to stop teaching the phrase "Dia duit" (sp? as I said, don't speak Irish) and you mock them for not being atheist enough?!

Exactly and id prefere you asked my permission next time you quote me out of context!

Galvasean

Oranage2 wrote: »

Stopped reading there it just got too stupid.

Followed by:

Oranage2 wrote: »

Anyway I guess atheism and agnosticism is just for Christmas -

A wittier poster than I could probably say something funny about this juxtaposition.

Dave!

As mentioned before, all languages have phrases and words with religious origins. I don't think it's necessary to cleanse our history or etymology of religious references. I'd argue (as others have) that 'Dia dhuit' has about as much religious significance as 'Thursday' does in relation to Thor. Nobody says it as a religious blessing, it's universally known as a greeting.

ShooterSF

Oranage2 wrote: »

Exactly and id prefere you asked my permission next time you quote me out of context!

When did I quote you out of context?

Oranage2

Galvasean wrote: »

Followed by:



A wittier poster than I could probably say something funny about this juxtaposition.

Such a shame you lack wit, could have done with a good laugh.

Galvasean

Oranage2 wrote: »

Such a shame you lack wit, could have done with a good laugh.

Indeed. It's weird that ShooterSF thanked the post. He must have imagined what a wittier poster would have posted.

ShooterSF

Galvasean wrote: »

Indeed. It's weird that ShooterSF thanked the post. He must have imagined what a wittier poster would have posted.

Just to put your mind at ease, I was intent on pointing out the wonderful coincidence (NOT IRONY!) of having my post called stupid and followed by that comment but couldn't come up with anything witty

Though I'm beginning to suspect our friend is actually a tremendous rival of literary license.

robindch

Oranage2 wrote: »

Such a shame you lack wit

Projection will get you nowhere here, my friend.

Run along now and be a good boy/girl before one of us mighty mods has to reach for the clue-stick!

Turtwig

robindch wrote: »

Projection will get you nowhere here, my friend.

Run along now and be a good boy/girl before one of us mighty mods has to reach for the clue-stick!

Oddly enough when I first read that I thought it said glue stick and I was thinking oohhhhhhh

Frowzy

4 pages, really?????

Greeting: Ta failte romhat
Goodbye: Slan Leat

If someone sneezes just say "Jeepers, that came from your toes!"

Beruthiel

How did the Pagans greet each other before st. Pat landed on our doorstep?

Coriolanus

Dagda duit. Dagda agus danu duit.
Possibly.

Oranage2

robindch wrote: »

Projection will get you nowhere here, my friend.

Run along now and be a good boy/girl before one of us mighty mods has to reach for the clue-stick!

My apoligies, I didnt mean to offend your boy/girlfriend.

Anyway I take it by your run along comment that I'm not wanted around these parts so I wont post again here. I see grown up discussion about anything other than the 'Angelus' is welcome.

I'll be off so, I'll leave the don't have a clue about Athiesm to the professionals!

God bless,

Oranage2.