Can you register a overpowered airsoft device if you have a good reason?

King John The Last

When applying for a firearms licence you need to state a reason. Can you register a overpowered airsoft device if you have a good reason? I can actually think of a good reason. Secondly, if you can, would it have to be bolt action?(that would ruin my reason) Would a overpowered fully automatic airsoft device be considered a machine gun and be prohibited? Are paintball guns legally machine guns?(are paintball guns fully automatic? I dont know:o) Please dont say anything unless you KNOW what you are saying is accurate. Should this be in the shooting forum?

damo34

Target shooting or hunting are the only two reasons you can use for a firearms licence.

FOr target shooting you have to be in a club. And as far as Im aware there are no clubs in this country that have airsoft target shooting. As far as I know no new range licences are being handed out until the explosives bill gets sorted out so you cant even start your own range/club.

ANd Im pretty sure you can count hunting out as I cant see any hunting club (or a super for that matter) entertaining the idea of an airsoft gun for hunting.

ANd even if you did get the legal go ahead, before you can get a licence you have to take a comptency course, pay your club fees, insurance fees, secure accomodation, then your licence fee on top of that. It wouldnt be worth it.

EDIT: Just noticed your other question, bolt-action and semi-autos are legal here. Fully automatics are out. And anything with a magazine of over 10 rounds puts you on the restricted list, which means its the chief super your dealing with and not your regular super and your secure accomodation will go up a notch.

Hope all this helps.

se conman

An overpowered AEG is a firearm , A firearm must be licenced , To licence a firearm it must have a serial number , You cannot put a serial number on an AEG because you would have to put the number on soo many parts (spring , gearbox , motor etc)

Witcher

As others have said there is no way to licence an airsoft gun over 1 joule. Why would you want it anyway you wouldn't be able to use it in a skirmish or even plinking(can't engage in target shooting with a firearm outside an authorised club except to zero a rifle).

damo34

Blay wrote: »

can't engage in target shooting with a firearm outside an authorised club except to zero a rifle

100% right

King John The Last

The reason is vermin control (will let you get a shotgun or .22) indoors(farm sheds) I dont want holes in my galvinising from a real gun so a high power AEG would be ideal. What are the parts that need a serial number? Would it be easier register a AEG that isint a RIF?

Witcher

King John The Last wrote: »

The reason is vermin control (will let you get a shotgun or .22) indoors(farm sheds) I dont want holes in my galvinising from a real gun so a high power AEG would be ideal. What are the parts that need a serial number? Would it be easier register a AEG that isint a RIF?

No such thing as an aeg that isn't a RIF, all airsoft guns are. If in theory you were going to go through all the processes to licence an airsoft gun(which can't be done). Filling out the long arse form, getting a safe, paying €80 for the licence..why would you not just get an actual air rifle?

King John The Last

Crows would be my main target. The are taking over the place and eating feed for cows and god knows what else.

se conman

There are low powered shotgun shells that can be gotten for that job.

King John The Last

Would an air rifle penetrate about 1mm metal?

King John The Last

se conman wrote: »

There are low powered shotgun shells that can be gotten for that job.

Where? I have a double barrel shotgun:)

King John The Last

Blay wrote: »

No such thing as an aeg that isn't a RIF, all airsoft guns are.

I thought there were clear bodied AEG that didnt count as RIFs

se conman

I am going from memory (had to get rid of RS or she was going , I made the wrong choice) 15 years ago , but just goggle it , it was a flake type material instead of lead shot.

damo34

King John The Last wrote: »

Where? I have a double barrel shotgun:)

Its not a gun your after its a larson trap. A few well placed larson traps will catch far more corvids then 3 or 4 lads with guns.

King John The Last

The larson trap seems like a good idea, ill definately consider it.

Puding

You will not get a licence for an over powered airsoft device, some people have argued that theoretical you could get one, but reality and rational thinking says it is not going to happen.

Airsoft device have crap ballistics, if your looking to control vermin then you need to look else where.

Puding

King John The Last wrote: »

I thought there were clear bodied AEG that didnt count as RIFs

NO allowance for this under the current law, the uk law is creaping in hear a little

the only definition of a RIF at the moment comes from the bill which is along the lines of ' anything the guy on the street could mistake for a firearm'

King John The Last

@se conman, if you remember anything more about the special ammo, tell me:)

King John The Last

Puding wrote: »

Airsoft device have crap ballistics, if your looking to control vermin then you need to look else where.

Its more about sending a message than killing them.

karl7477

why not use blancs

fleet

King John The Last wrote: »

Would an air rifle penetrate about 1mm metal?

Not by a long shot. I'd do the maths for you, but from experience BBs at 1J have trouble penetrating a coke can (less then 1mm thick and usually aluminium).

Witcher

karl7477 wrote: »

why not use blancs

They don't fire anything...hence why they're blanks...unless the crows will die of fright they're no good to him.

King John The Last

karl7477 wrote: »

why not use blancs

At least one of them has some serious balls. I already tried shooting out the door of the shed and he didnt notice

gerrowadat

So yeah. Airsoft.

Stercus Accidit

Buy an actual air rifle from a gun dealer and apply for a licence.

Under European law, yes, an automatic firearm is not legal to own and if Irish law says it is a firearm then it is. This has been thought of before, it would only serve to obscure the difference between our legal airsoft guns and real ones, and then you have licencing, then you have restrictions that kill the sport.

This isn't an airsoft topic, its a shooting one, and you are better off getting an air rifle if you want to shoot targets etc.

King John The Last

OK so what parts would need a serial number on a over power AEG/firearm? Best keep this airsoft related, I guess ive found out all i can in airsoft forum about the crows.

Witcher

King John The Last wrote: »

OK so what parts would need a serial number on a over power AEG/firearm? Best keep this airsoft related, I guess ive found out all i can in airsoft forum about the crows.

The receiver would need to be stamped with a serial number, possibly the bolt too if it was a bolt action, my own rifle bolt has the last 3 numbers of the rifle's serial number on it. Dunno who would do it though, gunsmith or possibly a RFD.

damo34

None of my rifles have the serial number on the bolt...

OP, I think you should give up on the idea of licensing an airsoft I dont think its going to happen.

Like I already said, if your having problems with corvids then a larson is the right job. You can build a couple of larsons in under an hour for little more than the price of a roll of chicken/box wire and a few bits of scrap wood you'd have lying around.

If you really want to use a gun to solve the problem, then the shotgun you already have is the best tool, go to the RFD and get some size 8s and as little powder as possible and trust me you wont do any damage to your sheds.

Or post on the hunting forum here on boards asking does anyone want to take on with the job. THeres hundreds of eager hunters out there with nowhere to hunt and would be only too glad to help you.

thermo

you can get .22 birdshot rds(like a mini shotgun shell). designed to be fired indoors and not cause damage to roofs walls ect,

King John The Last

thermo wrote: »

you can get .22 birdshot rds(like a mini shotgun shell). designed to be fired indoors and not cause damage to roofs walls ect,

Do these work with a rifled barrel?

Witcher

Yeah, they come with a wax/plastic cover over the shot which is there protect the rifling I would assume. Ask over in the shooting forum for some more info on them.

thermo

King John The Last wrote: »

Do these work with a rifled barrel?

yes, the "shot" is more dust like than balls.............

King John The Last

OK, thanks for all the help everyone, I think the ratshot will solve the problem.:)

thermo

question answered, locked.