The Trade Thread

Frisbee

This thread will be for use by all divisions and is to be used for people suggesting trades, advertising their players are up for trade (this can be done in league specific threads too) as well as querying trades such as:

I've been offered X & Y in exchange for Z, is this far? Should I take it? Or ask for etter?

ashdale5

Hi all. I'm not in a boards.ie league so not sure if this is appropriate or not but I badly need some trade advice.

My Roster in a keeper league, flex rules.
QB Rivers, Newton, Tebow
RB MJD, Beanie, Bradshaw, Blount
WR Jennings, Steve Smith (CAR), Austin, Colston, Maclin
TE Hernandez

As you can see I'm screwed for a TE this week and can't afford to drop anyone because they will be snapped up on the waiver wire. I've put tebow on the block but no takers.

Anyway I've been offered this trade and I'm tempted to take it.

Mathews and Dallas Clark for Jennings and Maclin.

I know Clark has been ****e but he has a good match up this week. Maclin will never get in ahead of my other receivers so basically it's a swap between Jennings and Ryan Mathews.

What do the fantasy guru's on boards.ie think?

D3PO

I dont like that trade personally for a few reasons

1) Clark has been crap so far
2) It leaves you thin at reciever
3) Maclin should get in to your team based on matchups. Your selling yourself short by thinking hes jsut a bench player.

In a word Id reject this trade you dont need running back help.

Whats available in FA in your league at the TE position ?

If Fred Davis or Shanicoe were available it might be worth picking one of them up and dropping Bount. I expect Beck and Ponder will both lean heavily on their Tight ends this week.

You have Running back depth and Blount is likely out this week and on a bye next week. Its hard to tell as you havent said how many teams in your league but this might be a viaable suggestion.

alternatively if you are determined not to to go to the waiver or FA then I would counter the offer.

Clarke for either Jennings or Maclin. (I still hate that trade) You dont need the running back so why facilitate your trade partner at your detriment ....

Honestly depending on who you are playing and their lineup I would strongly consider playing no TE and rolling the dice over taking a sh*tty deal.

ashdale5

Thanks for the reply. I think Jennings or Maclin is waaay to high a price to pay for Clark.
TE's on the waiver wire are very thin on the ground. I'm in a real quandry but maybe I'll just have to gut it out this week.

D3PO

ashdale5 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. I think Jennings or Maclin is waaay to high a price to pay for Clark.
TE's on the waiver wire are very thin on the ground. I'm in a real quandry but maybe I'll just have to gut it out this week.

yeah at the end of the day. Its only 1 matchup in a long season. You could win without TE help anyway and if you lose at least you keep a very strong squad together to right the ship after that.

You have to look at the long term of it really. Playing no TE seems liek the best option to me.

ashdale5

D3PO wrote: »

yeah at the end of the day. Its only 1 matchup in a long season. You could win without TE help anyway and if you lose at least you keep a very strong squad together to right the ship after that.

You have to look at the long term of it really. Playing no TE seems liek the best option to me.

I've offered him Blount and Maclin for Mathews and i can pick up a scrub TE from the waiver wire if he accepts (unlikely I know). I've also offered him Blount straight up for his starting TE Greg Olsen but not confident he'll do that either.
Blount has also gone on the trading block to see if anyone is willing to take a chance on him.

D3PO

thats a fair trade based on what he might need.

I would probably have offered Austin or Colston before offering Maclin as Id rate him about them but anyway.

In terms of FA TE's whats available ?

Based on your lineup I have to assume your league isnt very deep maybe an 8 team league ?

So based on what might be out there id rate them in the following order in terms of what they might do this week.

Shanicoe
Davis
Dreessen
Fasano

ashdale5

D3PO wrote: »

thats a fair trade based on what he might need.

I would probably have offered Austin or Colston before offering Maclin as Id rate him about them but anyway.

In terms of FA TE's whats available ?

Based on your lineup I have to assume your league isnt very deep maybe an 8 team league ?

So based on what might be out there id rate them in the following order in terms of what they might do this week.

Shanicoe
Davis
Dreessen
Fasano

10 team league.
FA TE's based on points scored this season and taking out those on a bye this week -
Watson
King
Miller
Casey
Dreeson
Dixon
Shockey
Kellen Davis
Fells
Shinacoe
Moore

Peyton Manning

ashdale5 wrote: »

Hi all. I'm not in a boards.ie league so not sure if this is appropriate or not but I badly need some trade advice.

My Roster in a keeper league, flex rules.
QB Rivers, Newton, Tebow
RB MJD, Beanie, Bradshaw, Blount
WR Jennings, Steve Smith (CAR), Austin, Colston, Maclin
TE Hernandez

As you can see I'm screwed for a TE this week and can't afford to drop anyone because they will be snapped up on the waiver wire. I've put tebow on the block but no takers.

Anyway I've been offered this trade and I'm tempted to take it.

Mathews and Dallas Clark for Jennings and Maclin.

I know Clark has been ****e but he has a good match up this week. Maclin will never get in ahead of my other receivers so basically it's a swap between Jennings and Ryan Mathews.

What do the fantasy guru's on boards.ie think?

You don't even need to trade imo. If there's any decent TEs on the waiver wire, pick them up and drop Tebow. You don't need three QBs on your roster, and I can't see a scenario where Tebow will potentially outscore both Newton and Rivers in any gameweek.

D3PO

I think Shanicoe is the one to pick up off FA for this week based on what you have listed.

Ponder will throw underneath a lot when he has to throw and AP will do most of the workload. Shanicoe could get maybe 6 catches for 70 odd yards. He wont set the world alilght but could be a reasonable stat line together especialyl if one of those catches is snagged for a TD.

Newton is right you dont need 3 QB's I know your trying to maximise trade bait with Tebow but hes probably droppable based on a 10 team league anyway.

If you have him on the block now anD nobody has bitten your better just cutting him loose to be fair.

Dodge

posted this in another thraed, will post here to keep them together
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Jesus, how deep is your league? thats a fantastic looking team

I like Ryan matthews, I'd easily trade Greg Jennings away from him. Nothing wrong with Jennings, but Matthews a good RB, in a good offence, and getting better every week.

Personally though I'd rank Maclin ahead of Smith, Austin and Colston. He's the 11th top scoring WR in fantasy this year, and thats when the Eagles have been below par. I'd expect them to get better and see his numbers increase too. I know Smith is above him now but I'd be more confident in Maclin for the rest of the season.

Austin may have had the bye week but even without that I think he's now No 2 behind a fit Dez Bryant.

Colston is unbelievably talented, but in that offence he's not reliable in fantasy terms. He could have 0 points if Brees sees the likes of Moore, Meacham and, now, Graham open all game

ashdale5

Yeah I was probably getting a bit greedy picking Tebow up on waivers and hoping to flip him straight away. I'll hold off dropping him until Sunday morning and hope someone bites on him before then.
I'll keep Blount on the block as well just in case.

Dodge

The thing with ten team leagues is that most people are happy with their QB as there's 12-14 serviceable QBs around

Even good back up Qbs have little trade value.

ashdale5

Yeah I'm in 3 leagues and both the others are 12 team leagues. They're far better and more challenging because there's less FA.

Syferus

Cam Newton wrote: »

You don't even need to trade imo. If there's any decent TEs on the waiver wire, pick them up and drop Tebow. You don't need three QBs on your roster, and I can't see a scenario where Tebow will potentially outscore both Newton and Rivers in any gameweek.

I can easily see Tebow outscoring Rivers in alot of the weeks to come, the Chargers are making their customary slow start (at least in terms of quality of performances) but Rivers hasn't looked to be above and beyond what Tebow could produce in games going forward - minus one horrible 6.44 game, Rivers range has stayed at 17-18 points a game. He also has more INTs than TDs and none of Newton's or Tebow's rushing ablities to soften that blow. Tebow can exceed Rivers' average and has less potential for a horrible fantasy day.

I'd be playing Tebow over Rivers this week if I had a straight choice between the two.

D3PO

ashdale5 wrote: »

Yeah I'm in 3 leagues and both the others are 12 team leagues. They're far better and more challenging because there's less FA.

I agree you end up with the whos who of pro bowlers otherwise and everybody is able to get a load of studs. There is no reward for getting a jump on the competition with sleeper picks or a risk reward gamble.

Have to say playing a 16 team league for the first time this year has been more enjoyable for me even than the 12 team leagues. Its a real tactical battle and you have to be very astute in the FA market.

from now on 16 team leagues are the only way to go for me.

Syferus

D3PO wrote: »

I agree you end up with the whos who of pro bowlers otherwise and everybody is able to get a load of studs. There is no reward for getting a jump on the competition with sleeper picks or a risk reward gamble.

Have to say playing a 16 team league for the first time this year has been more enjoyable for me even than the 12 team leagues. Its a real tactical battle and you have to be very astute in the FA market.

from now on 16 team leagues are the only way to go for me.

I find the opposite is true.

If you lose your #1 pick (ala Jamaal Charles this year) in a 16-man league your season is liable to bomb unless you get very, very lucky with FA pick-ups, which are obviously even harder to get in a 16-man league. You end up with a team of stars and a bunch of filler players in most cases, i.e. less line-up conundrums and choices of picking up a waiver wire player or not.

10-12 man leagues are the sweet spot for me, you generally have more of a decision to make on who to start and who to sit, and that's the essence of fantasy football at the end of the day.

D3PO

Syferus wrote: »

I find the opposite is true.

If you lose your #1 pick (ala Jamaal Charles this year) in a 16-man league your season is liable to bomb unless you get very, very lucky with FA pick-ups, which are obviously even harder to get in a 16-man league. .

Yeah exactly makes it more like reallife Ref : This seasons Indy Colts

Anyway thats the beauty of fantasy football. Nobody is stuck to one format for me I like the 16 team leagues

ashdale5

Ok Guru's new trade proposal received -
Mathews and Clark for Jennings and Blount

Peyton Manning

ashdale5 wrote: »

Ok Guru's new trade proposal received -
Mathews and Clark for Jennings and Blount

Again, impossible to offer an opinion without knowing the rest of your team, but at first glance - I would not trade away Jennings, Clark has little value anymore and Blount will be back to full fitness after his bye week.

ashdale5

Cam Newton wrote: »

Again, impossible to offer an opinion without knowing the rest of your team, but at first glance - I would not trade away Jennings, Clark has little value anymore and Blount will be back to full fitness after his bye week.

My Roster in a keeper league, flex rules.
QB Rivers, Newton, Tebow
RB MJD, Beanie, Bradshaw, Blount
WR Jennings, Steve Smith (CAR), Austin, Colston, Maclin
TE Hernandez

Peyton Manning

ashdale5 wrote: »

My Roster in a keeper league, flex rules.
QB Rivers, Newton, Tebow
RB MJD, Beanie, Bradshaw, Blount
WR Jennings, Steve Smith (CAR), Austin, Colston, Maclin
TE Hernandez

Ah right, sorry, forgot you had posted that earlier in the week. I would never give up Greg Jennings for a one week fill at TE. I still stand by the advice given earlier in the week - drop Tebow, pick up a TE on waivers!

Dodge

Cam Newton wrote: »

Again, impossible to offer an opinion without knowing the rest of your team, but at first glance - I would not trade away Jennings, Clark has little value anymore and Blount will be back to full fitness after his bye week.

I think Matthews is a significant upgrade on Blount

But your team is stacked throughout. No real need to disrupt your whole squad for a 2nd string TE

D3PO

Boards Division 1.

Willing to trade one of my Tight Ends

Brandon Pettigrew #10 in TE scoring

or

Fred Davis #6 in TE scoring

Looking for a number 2 reciever in return. All reasonable offers considered.

would consider packaging Jason Avant or Tim Tebow aswell for the right reciever

Dodge

I'd be willing to trade Finley for a good RB (or Scott chandler after this week )

ashdale5

Alright lads, thanks for all the advice last week. I'm back with a new trade connundrum for a different league I'm in. see what you think of this -

My Roster
QB Brady
RB Green-Ellis, McGahee, Ingram, Battle
WR Megatron, Colston, Smith (CAR), Jones (GB), Brown (PIT)
TE Hernandez

I approached CJ2K's owner to see if he had any interest in trading him and he's come back and said he's do it for one of Megatron or Colston. obvioulsy I won't give up Megatron but I am tempted to deal Colston.

Thoughts?

D3PO

Firstly I hope you picked up Shiancoe as I suggested last week

Secondly that trade is crap. Tell him to go jump. Hes liviing off CJ2K's last seasons value not this seasons. CJ might have a big week this week as the Colts are woeful but the fact remains he has looked terrible all year and to give up somebody whos been on a hot streak for somebody whos stock has dropped like a stone and has done zp all year is utter madness.

Right now Battle and Green Ellis are the two RB's you should start and be content with.

If somebody wants Megatron or Colston then they need to be offering you a McFadden, McCoy, or Gore type RB not a CJ2K who couldnt give a crap since he got paid his big contract at the end of last season.

Peyton Manning

CJ is a bust. Don't go near him, he got his payday and now he doesn't give a toss about the team. For him to have the audacity to ask for Megatron in return is hilarious.

ashdale5

D3PO wrote: »

Firstly I hope you picked up Shiancoe as I suggested last week

Picked up Ed Dickson and lost :mad:

D3PO

ashdale5 wrote: »

Picked up Ed Dickson and lost :mad:

maybe next time you will listen to me

My suggestions to you in order :cool::cool:

Shiancoe 10.5 points
Fred Davis (was taken)
Dreeson 9.1 points
Fasano 8.2 points

instead you got Ed Dickson 2.3 points

Dodge

In ESPN standard scoring, CJ is ranked 30th for the year.

He's averaged just over 7 points this season.

Behind No 2 RBs like Ingram, Tate, Tolbert, Michael Bush

if I was trading him I think the best WR I could hope for would be Erick Decker, Victor Cruz

EDIT; just to be clear, I wouldn't do that deal either if I was a CJ owner. I'd hang on to him

Syferus

I wouldn't dare trade CJ in a down market. He has the upside to be elite so even in the most desperate of circumstances he shouldn't be on the trading block when possibly the worst team in the league - with a very porous run defense - is up next in the Colts. His value can hardly decrease any further so the smart thing to do is wait.

ashdale5

Syferus wrote: »

I wouldn't dare trade CJ in a down market. He has the upside to be elite so even in the most desperate of circumstances he shouldn't be on the trading block when possibly the worst team in the league - with a very porous run defense - is up next in the Colts. His value can hardly decrease any further so the smart thing to do is wait.

I would be trading for him.

Syferus

ashdale5 wrote: »

I would be trading for him.

I know, but I'm talking about someone trying to trade him away. You're far more likely to get value for him next week if he breaks off a 20 point game than you would now and with CJ that is, despite everything, a very live possibility.

tallaghtoutlaws

ashdale5 wrote: »

I would be trading for him.

Colston and Megatron will consistently put up decent numbers and then some every week. CJ is so cold right now that even if he does put up solid numbers against the Colts the gamble on him doing the same thing again is slim. I would rather consistency in Colston and Megatron over the wait and see game with CJ.

tallaghtoutlaws

Got offered this trade in the Prem and its baffling me as to how I benefit from it?



Considering this is the team I have. Megatron is worth Brown and Daniels on his own and then some. Stafford is struggling with injury and I don't think I want to take a punt on a guy who always has injury concern considering he only has 20 more points than Freeman.

Mr. Guappa

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Got offered this trade in the Prem and its baffling me as to how I benefit from it?



Considering this is the team I have. Megatron is worth Brown and Daniels on his own and then some. Stafford is struggling with injury and I don't think I want to take a punt on a guy who always has injury concern considering he only has 20 more points than Freeman.

I proposed the trade. I need WR help badly which was my reason for going after Megatron. The way I saw it from your point-of-view was that Stafford was an upgrade over Freeman, and would slot in ahead of Beck this week. Daniels is a decent upgrade from Kendricks and the loss of Megatron would be compensated by adding Brown to a fairly deep rotation of solid WRs that you have.

Fair enough if you didn't see any benefit from it.

tallaghtoutlaws

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

I proposed the trade. I need WR help badly which was my reason for going after Megatron. The way I saw it from your point-of-view was that Stafford was an upgrade over Freeman, and would slot in ahead of Beck this week. Daniels is a decent upgrade from Kendricks and the loss of Megatron would be compensated by adding Brown to a fairly deep rotation of solid WRs that you have.

Fair enough if you didn't see any benefit from it.

Well to be fair Megatron is easily worth 2 of those players on his own. I agree with Kendricks but there is 4 or 5 decent enough TE on the FA who will do the job also and Brown is not going to add anything to my team. Losing Megatron now would be the end of my season as Right now he is my only Big earner with Freeman coming behind him. Stafford is as good as Freeman right now and Beck only covers my bye week ye know.

ashdale5

At the risk of turning this into my own personal fantasy football agony aunt column can I ask you guys for one more piece of advice for another team of mine in another league?
Flex league have to start 2 RB, 2 WR and flex RB/WR/TE
I have
RB - MJD, Wells, Addai, Carter (IND), Scott (CIN)
WR - Bowe, White, DHB, Plaxico, Decker

White, DHB and Plaxico are on byes which leaves me very light at WR but there are some decent players available on the wire -
Sidney Rice, Manningham, Mike Thomas (JAX), Demaryius Thomas, Simpson (CIN), Jason Hill (JAX)

I'm thinking of dropping Decker but torn between picking up Rice, Manningham or Demaryius.

D3PO

ashdale5 wrote: »

At the risk of turning this into my own personal fantasy football agony aunt column can I ask you guys for one more piece of advice for another team of mine in another league?
Flex league have to start 2 RB, 2 WR and flex RB/WR/TE
I have
RB - MJD, Wells, Addai, Carter (IND), Scott (CIN)
WR - Bowe, White, DHB, Plaxico, Decker

White, DHB and Plaxico are on byes which leaves me very light at WR but there are some decent players available on the wire -
Sidney Rice, Manningham, Mike Thomas (JAX), Demaryius Thomas, Simpson (CIN), Jason Hill (JAX)

I'm thinking of dropping Decker but torn between picking up Rice, Manningham or Demaryius.

Thomas or Tebow have done nothing in the passing game to suggest that pickning up Thomas would be a good idea.

Jax have the worst passing offense in the league and Hill and Mike Thomas are bad options as a result especially this week against a good Houston defense.

For me its Manningham or Rice. Id go towards Manningham personally, but thats just me.

Hulk Hands

I'd pick up both Manningham and Rice, but if it's just one then Manningham. And judging by the rest of your players he's probably good enough to start most weeks

ashdale5

Decker out. Manningham in.

I'll be back Monday if things don't work out

mrkr

Offered a trade in a keeper league

Miles Austin and Aaron Hernandez for Andre Johnson

My team:

QB - Cutler - Beck
RB - Bradshaw - Demarco Murray - Hillis - Hardesty - Benson - Deangelo Williams
WR - Andre Johnson - Boldin - Bryant - Branch - Lance Moore
TE - Olsen
K - Hanson
D - NYG

Standard scoring, non-ppr, starts 1QB,2RB,3WR.

What say ye? I could probably press for Antonio Gates instead of Hernandez. Do either of those possible trades look good to you?

I'm a bit nervy about having Austin and Bryant as starters, both Dallas, etc.

Syferus

D3PO wrote: »

Thomas or Tebow have done nothing in the passing game to suggest that pickning up Thomas would be a good idea.

Oh yes they have. Thomas had 10 targets for 3 receptions and a TD on his first game back for the year. Accuracy was obviously an issue but that's going to improve the more they play together. Tebow's targeting Thomas and using him as his deep threat so he's easily the most valuable Bronco receiver going forward.

Of those three I'd chose Thomas and I don't think it's even all that close if you're looking for a bolter. If you want to play it safe Rice might be a better option but Victor Cruz makes me very wary of going anywhere near Manningham when you have those other two as options.

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

Oh yes they have. Thomas had 10 targets for 3 receptions and a TD on his first game back for the year. Accuracy was obviously an issue but that's going to improve the more they play together. Tebow's targeting Thomas and using him as his deep threat so he's easily the most valuable Bronco receiver going forward.

Agreed Thomas and Tebow will get in sync at some point even if Tim cant throw for fook Tis why I grabbed Thomas in most of the leagues im in.

Of those three I'd chose Thomas and I don't think it's even all that close if you're looking for a bolter. If you want to play it safe Rice might be a better option but Victor Cruz makes me very wary of going anywhere near Manningham when you have those other two as options.

Cruz for me I would start over Manningham also. He has given Manning some mad catches and Manning seems to be warming up to him as his number 1. I said it last year as did a few others that Cruz would be huge and the kid is living up to it right now.

GoldFour4

Question here about rules. Thers a trade pending in division 2. Mike sims walker is involved in the trade. He was placed on injured reserve yesterday, should the trade be cancelled ? It was accepted before Sims Walker was placed on IR.

Dodge

malachyscott wrote: »

Question here about rules. Thers a trade pending in division 2. Mike sims walker is involved in the trade. He was placed on injured reserve yesterday, should the trade be cancelled ? It was accepted before Sims Walker was placed on IR.

If it was accepted before he was palced on IR, then I'd let it slide

Of course I woldn't feel too strongly about it

tallaghtoutlaws

malachyscott wrote: »

Question here about rules. Thers a trade pending in division 2. Mike sims walker is involved in the trade. He was placed on injured reserve yesterday, should the trade be cancelled ? It was accepted before Sims Walker was placed on IR.

Honestly he left the game on Sunday injured and was practically already injured when he came back to the Jags. Whoever traded for him if after Sunday should have done their homework before making the trade. Guy is injury prone who leaves a game with an injury should have been enough to say hell no.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7063847/bradley-fletcher-mike-sims-walker-st-louis-rams-injured-practice

This is where the Knee injury happened and the reason why the Rams most likely dumped him. Well that and he made little impact. But even in his career with the Jags he was plagued with injuries. Oh and his missed a whole week of practice last week with a sore tooth

Spongey1975

malachyscott wrote: »

Question here about rules. Thers a trade pending in division 2. Mike sims walker is involved in the trade. He was placed on injured reserve yesterday, should the trade be cancelled ? It was accepted before Sims Walker was placed on IR.

Let the buyer beware, thats my view on trades. If someone wants to accept a trade without doing his homework on the players he's getting then its his bad luck if it goes pearshaped

matthew8

Using all this logic we shouldn't cancel any trades, I'd cancel it.

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

Using all this logic we shouldn't cancel any trades, I'd cancel it.

What? This makes no sense. There is a difference between cancelling lob sided trades to get one up on someone or personal gain and cancelling trades for someone who went into the trade for at the time equal players then trying to weasel out because they didnt do their homework on the player.

But either way I think things like this should go to a vote of each of that leagues members because cases like this are going to be rare.