Secure storage needed for LA SWAT

Sparks

Oh dear...
http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/its-embarrassing-swat-team-lose-their-guns-258393-Oct2011/

‘It’s embarrassing’: SWAT team lose their guns

The building from which the guns were stolen

POLICE IN LOS Angeles have been left red-faced after a stash of powerful weapons were stolen from a building used by the area’s crack SWAT team.
The elite SWAT unit were due to train at a facility in the city last Thursday, but when they arrived they found that firearms left there for them overnight had been taken, the LA Times reports.

Among the weapons stolen were 15 MP-5 submachine guns and 15 Colt 45 handguns, which had been left in a locked box in the building overnight in readiness for the training session. Reuters reports that the building had no cameras or alarms.

“Unfortunately stuff’s going to get lost once in a while. This is a particularly bad one,” LAPD commander Andy Smith said. “It is embarrassing.”
However, officers stressed that the weapons had been altered to fire plastic training rounds instead of live bullets, and would require specialist engineering to render them dangerous.

“Right now these weapons are inert. They don’t fire bullets,” Smith said. “It takes significant skill and significant parts to reconvert these back.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-guns-missing-20111017,0,3752873.story

Submachine guns, handguns stolen from LAPD SWAT-training site

Police officials confirm that more than 30 firearms, stored overnight at a building considered secure, were stolen. 'It's embarrassing.... It's a lesson learned,' Deputy Chief Michael Downing says.



By Joel Rubin, Los Angeles Times
October 17, 2011
A cache of Los Angeles Police Department submachine guns and handguns was stolen last week from a secured building used by the department's SWAT unit, raising fears that the weapons, which police had altered to fire only blanks, could be converted back to lethal use, police officials confirmed.

The weapons, which include 21 MP-5 submachine guns and 12 large caliber handguns, were moved Wednesday night to a multistory building at 14th and San Pedro streets downtown and stored in a locked box on the building's first floor, said LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Downing.

Members of the SWAT unit, which specializes in hostage rescues and other high-risk situations, were scheduled to train at the facility Thursday, Downing said. A police officer arriving at the building around 9 a.m. Thursday discovered the weapons were missing, according to Downing. The officer also found electrical equipment stacked near a back door, indicating the burglars may still have been working and fled when the officer arrived.

Downing said the building, although not a guarded LAPD facility, was considered secure. To get to the weapons, the thieves cut through bolt locks on an outside door and two internal doors and forced their way through a metal roll gate, he said.

"I guess 'secure' is all relative now," he said. "It's embarrassing.... It's a lesson learned."

The theft was particularly awkward because it involved the SWAT unit, one of the most prestigious assignments in the department and one whose members are trained to methodically think through the possible outcomes of situations before acting.

When told about the weapons theft, other LAPD officers, who asked that their names not be used because they did not want to criticize fellow cops publicly, questioned why the weapons weren't simply kept at SWAT's headquarters, about a mile from the training site. "Even with some locked doors, they should have seen this as a possibility," one said.

As a rule, Downing said, officers are not supposed to leave weapons unattended at the building. He added that "appropriate measures" had been taken in response to the gaffe but would not specify if anyone had been disciplined. He said officials are also reviewing SWAT's procedures for using the building to see if changes are needed.

The building, which once housed textile companies, was donated to the department. Inside, the department put up walls and made other changes in order to create realistic scenarios for training exercises. They did not install an alarm system or surveillance cameras.

Shortly after the break-in was discovered, detectives from the LAPD's local police station and forensic technicians were summoned to the building, but several hours passed before Downing and other senior LAPD officials were made aware of the breach. When Downing finally learned of the stolen weapons about five hours later, he ordered investigators with expertise in gun thefts to take over the case, he said.

Those investigators are "working on leads," Downing said. He declined to elaborate but added that he believes the weapons will be found.

It was no secret that the facility, named the Kennedy Building after its owner, was used by SWAT for training. The officers could be seen coming and going and sometimes put on public demonstrations there. That raised the possibility that the thieves had been surveilling the site.

Asked whether there was any indication that the burglary was an inside job involving LAPD officers, Downing declined to comment, except to say, "We're not ruling anything out."

"You wonder if this was a planned operation, what information they had, whether they were conducting surveillance," Downing said.

About a month ago, a woman was seen photographing the building, which triggered an investigation by the officers from the department's counter-terrorism division, according to Downing. That incident appears unrelated to the break-in, but investigators are continuing to investigate, he said.

The obvious concern is that whoever stole the weapons will convert them from firing blanks to using live ammunition. Downing acknowledged that was "definitely a possibility" but said that to do so would require an understanding of the inner workings of the weapons.

Gun experts and online tutorials suggest, however, that the process is relatively simple and requires only a few parts. The company that manufactures the conversion kits used by the LAPD has an instructional video on its website that walks a viewer through the steps of returning an MP-5 to its original form in about five minutes.

The parts required to change the MP-5 back to live firing were for sale on a gun supply website. It was unclear, however, what documentation or background checks would be required to purchase them.

The idea that nearly three dozen high-powered submachine guns and .45-caliber handguns could make their way onto the black market or be put to use by criminals worried LAPD officials enough that they notified law enforcement agencies in the region.

"This is a big deal," Downing said. "We're concerned. We want to recover them."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/17/us-crime-police-guns-idUSTRE79G78120111017

Los Angeles police "embarrassed" after gun cache stolen

By Mary Slosson
LOS ANGELES | Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:35pm EDT
(Reuters) - Los Angeles police officials searched on Monday for a stolen cache of submachine guns and semi-automatic handguns that disappeared from a SWAT training facility, and said they were embarrassed by the loss.

More than 30 Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns and M1911 pistols that had been stored at the training facility were stolen, Los Angeles Police Department spokeswoman Karen Rayner said.

The weapons had been altered to fire blanks, and it would be "difficult" -- although not impossible -- to convert them back to full use, she said.

"If somebody knew what they were doing, it would be rather labor intensive but it is possible to get them fully functional again," Rayner said.

The guns were discovered missing last week after they were kept overnight in a warehouse without cameras or alarms on the SWAT training grounds, Rayner said. She said there have so far been no arrests in the case or leads in the recovery effort.

Police were considering the possibility of the theft being an inside job, Commander Andrew Smith told a news conference to announce the thefts.

"It's embarrassing," Smith said. "Once in a while we'll have a police car get stolen. That's certainly embarrassing, and any time we lose any of our property it's embarrassing and we want to get it back."

Cass

EMBARASSING :eek:

Ya gotta love the distinction between America, and ............. well anywhere. If a shotgun goes missing here its all out war about security and every firearms holder gets it in the neck with stricter laws, etc.

They loose 30+ guns (fully active or not) and its "embarassing".:rolleyes:

poulo6.5

interesting but not much to do with sporting or shooting.......

Cass

Probably not, but interesting all the same.

Tikkat3

Most interesting part is that they cant actually say how many guns were 'stolen' or went 'missing'. Every report is different. Obviously each reporter is getting more up to date information which is fair enough but its pure sensational anti gun material for the general public in the US. Which in turn seems to filter into the rest of the world's anti gun nonsense.

sfakiaman

Embarrassing yes but at least it was not deliberate as in operation Fast & Furious. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-fast-furious-20110920,0,5544168.story

Grizzly 45

LAPD..The original Keystone Cops!!:rolleyes:

firefly08

SWAT: Stolen Weapons And Tactics

Grizzly 45

Better than SWANT Special Weapons And No Tactics!:D