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Gumshoe runs again

  • 19-10-2011 04:16PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭


    The name’s Marlowe. Gumshoe extraordinaire. What’s a guy like me doing on the West Coast of Ireland? Heck I had to get out of SoCal pretty quick after things went south over a broad and some diamonds. I didn’t like Frisco anyway, too many alternative uses for my cuffs.

    So there I was, counting the threads in the carpet when this smokin’ redhead walks in. “Sorry M’am but that’s been illegal here since 2004”. She just looked at me with eyes sharper than the crease on her expensive silk blouse. “Nice legs” I said “are you a tap dancer?” “Not anymore, bad injury put paid to that. I fell in the sink

    Rain drummed on my window. “Get outta here you bum, can’t you see I got a client here!” Rain hadn’t worked since the accident with the bowler hat and the sash and new opportunities for percussionists were thin on the ground. As he slunk out the door I offered my client a seat and cracked the seal on a fifth of bourbon. I could tell I would need help finding the common denominator in this case.

    I need help – my best friend amadeus has gone missing!” as she said this she collapsed into a sobbing heap on the floor. Thankfully the heap wasn’t hurt and went about its business.

    Amadeus, huh, tell me about him

    Ohhh he’s dreamy – tall, handsome, devilish wit and soooo clever – guys want to know him and girls wanna be with him

    Yea, he sounds like a real hero alright, what’s the skinny?

    Well, he is. He’s a runner you see, 2:58:07 in Amsterdam last Oct but he’s been missing ever since!

    Any suspects?

    Just one – a guy who looks just like the dreamboat but is fatter and never runs, Ohhh Marlowe what will we do????

    I suspect that the answer may be closer than you think babycakes, I reckon your hero is right under your nose. And I won’t rest until I find the truth – we will strain every sinew and pop every synapse to solve this riddle. Now lets me and you go grab some lunch

    ~~~
    So amadeus the old was a sub 3 marathoner, amadeus the new is a couple of kilos over race weight and has not run properly since crossing the line in Amsterdam exactly a year ago. So it’s time to get serious. A log may not be a great idea (I’ve never kept one properly before) but it can’t hurt and so we will see how it goes – if it is a distraction I’ll bin it but all help and advice welcome…

    So, the goals.

    MACRO GOALS:

    • 2:45 marathon Spring 2013
    • HIM Autumn 2013 (Time TBD)

    WTF is he thinking explanation:
    I’m looking at a three marathon cycle for the 2:45. Spring 2012 – 2:55. Autumn 2012 – 2:50. Spring 2013 – 2:45. Huge jumps and I doubt I’ll get within an asses roar but my marathon history suggests steady improvement suits me better than dramatic gains. Last 5 races for example have been roughly 2:58 / 3:00 / 3:06 / 3:11 / 3:15. After that 3:15 I decided to target 3:00 and that seemed as remote then as 2:45 does now so who knows.

    Additionally that 2:58 is soft. I ran easy in the second half of the race and missed chunks of training. In particular I didn’t do enough speed work or PMP miles so smarter and more consistent training and a more disciplined race and I should get to 2:55. From there…

    The HIM is a different thing and – I suspect – harder. I quite literally cannot swim (apart from a weak backstroke). But mixing up the training should build fitness and address my biggest weakness which is a lack of focus and training attention.

    MICRO GOALS:
    • 5km Stevens Day in Donegal
    • 10km or half in the early season (no later than March)
    • Marathon in April, probably Rotterdam
    • Duathlon in Limerick in the Spring
    • Sprint or “Try a Tri” before the summer

    Where I currently am:
    I am horrifically unfit by the standards of the last couple of years. I weighed myself this morning and clocked at 71kgs dead. At 6’ tall I’m far from a porker but I suspect I have lost muscle and gained fat and for the first time ever I can see a belly (:eek:) Race weight is 68kgs but that will come from more training. Fitness wise I ran ~6 miles yesterday in just under 48 mins (Garmin battery was flat so a route I know and stopwatch timed). I ran at normal pace, conversational rather than easy, and 8 min miles isn’t a million miles from my old regular speed. Legs felt fine, no real trouble and no aches or stiffness today. I suspect it is speed I have lost – I feel confident I could slow down to 9 min miles and run 18 or 20 now if I had to (although I’d slow towards the end no doubt!) but I doubt I could do 3 or 4 at 6:45/mile.

    The Plan:
    Steady base mileage this week, 6 – 8 mile runs just to get the legs moving again and a focussed 5km plan from next week. That should bring the speed back into my legs and give me sharpness and a weekly longer run will see my stamina build ready for a marathon program in the new year. Min of 70 mpw average in the marathon program but not sure of the plan yet; either P&D, Daniels or a self written one I expect.

    For the tri’s I am going to try and layer that training on top of the rest, biking and swimming as active recovery and double sessions. Goals here are limited, just finishing a Sprint Tri in the Spring and I suspect it’s technique I will need to learn rather than fitness I’ll have to build. Suggestions on goal times welcome btw.

    So there we go. Let the training begin!


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Welcome back --amadeus--, nice narcissistic entry too ;)

    Funky programme you have laid out. 5 mins off per Marathon at the sharper end is a big ask IMO but hey thats how to set goal. A self proclaimed wise man once said to me "MCOS, time to get hard on yourself" and so he too now walks that walk it seems!

    2 local events to tick off some of those benchmarks.
    10k, early March in Adare. I'll run with you
    Sprint Tri (I'll slap you if you enter the try-a-tri!) - Joey

    Looking forward to your 2013 log already :)

    Best of luck and please do updae with your blend of banter regularly, thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Welcome back --amadeus--, nice narcissistic entry too ;)

    Funky programme you have laid out. 5 mins off per Marathon at the sharper end is a big ask IMO but hey thats how to set goal. A self proclaimed wise man once said to me "MCOS, time to get hard on yourself" and so he too now walks that walk it seems!

    2 local events to tick off some of those benchmarks.
    10k, early March in Adare. I'll run with you
    Sprint Tri (I'll slap you if you enter the try-a-tri!) - Joey

    Looking forward to your 2013 log already :)

    Best of luck and please do updae with your blend of banter regularly, thanks

    Hey if I don't love me who else will?!

    5 mins is a decent chunk; 11 secs per mile on average. But I've done it before and I'm still a long way back from the real sharp end where gains are in seconds rather than minutes. And my god man don't you know by now that I am far better at giving advice than following it?!

    2 good shouts on events though. Adare's a great race; it's a date (for teh first 8kms anyway)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    LOL Amadeus is fat. :D

    Edit: Best of luck with the goals. You didn't do Amsterdam at the weekend then? I've a vague memory of you talking about it at the Limerick marathon. I'm mulling it over for next year...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Welcome back amadeus,best of luck with the goals !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭smmoore79


    Welcome back Amadeus. Your marathon goals are well thought out and above all, very realistic. Good luck!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Bally8


    Welcome back amadeus- great so see you back in these parts. Hows about the North Tipp Sprint next April? Im aiming for that one myself.

    By the way you are mental:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,530 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Amadeus wrote:
    So there we go. Let the training begin!
    It's been 24 hours. No runs to report? ;)
    Best of luck with the new set of goals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    It's been 24 hours. No runs to report? ;)

    Nah, I'm bored of this running / multi-sport malarkey and I'm taking up birdwatching. Apparently "Birds gone wild at Mardi Gras" has some particularly fine specimens... Reminds me of a gag I heard actually. You know why it's called "Girls go wild"? Cos when Girls go wild they flash thier boobs. When women go wild they bury thier hubby in the back garden...

    Anyhoo cheers for all the good wishes. I would like to point out for teh record that I am NOT fat, I have simply enhanced my upholstery. And nope I dropped Am'dam, just didn't have the training done.

    North Tipp Tri I haven't heard of before, I shall Google and revert :)

    And I have been running actually. As usual I planned more than I managed - supposed to be 8 but Jnr Ms A had trouble with her maths homework so that takes priority. Wound up doing a lazy 5 @ avg 8 min mile by the river with WonderHound and JuniorHound. Great night for running, tiny bit of drizzle but just a nice temperature, hounds slowed me down at times but it's great craic running with them. I was wearing one of my new base layers from Aldi as well - they look woeful (I look like a refugee from the Village People; Construction Worker, Indian, "Athlete") but cracking bit of kit, little bit of compression and nice bit of toasty warm. Did a little bit of strength & core work at home afterwards - nothing dramatic just some bodyweight stuff (pull ups, push ups, dips, situps), I figure I'll need more upper body strength when I get in the pool.

    So there, ye of little faith!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    As someone once said "Just the facts please, M'am"...

    8 miles in 01:04:46, avg pace 8:08/mile.

    Tougher than it sounds though! I haven't run on consecutive days in months and I could feel a tiny bit of heaviness and stiffness, nothing I would have thought twice about during peak training but when you aren't used to it it can be a shock to the system! I figured I would just run at a comfortable effort and let time take care of itself (easy days easy, hard days hard) and by the homeward leg I had settled into that magical "active meditation" phase you get on runs sometimes - out by the river, very few people around and just the wind and the birds to be heard. I'm not a believer in the "10,000 hours to mastery" theory but muscle memory does kick in at a certain point where the effort is effortless (very Zen!) - you can feel the muscles working and know that it is taking effort to keep moving but you feel strong and good and able to run forever. I've been "out of love" with running for a very long time - probably a couple of years - and today reminded me a little bit why I used to run so much.

    Scores on the doors were very erratic - 7:51 / 8:17 (?) / 7:29 / 8:09 / 8:20 / 8:21 / 8:14 / 8:19 so a fair bit slower on average than I would like but that's not the important thing here. In my mind I am still in sub 3 shape and expect to be able to churn out effortless sub 7:30s on runs like this. The reality is I am pretty much back to where I started and since Sunday (when I did a stop / start 6 miler with kids on bikes & the hounds) I have run 25 miles, which isn't far off a regular weeks training on one of the HH novice schedules. So I think I need to accept that I'm back at that level and rebuilding rather than trying to rush back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    The reality is I am pretty much back to where I started and since Sunday (when I did a stop / start 6 miler with kids on bikes & the hounds) I have run 25 miles, which isn't far off a regular weeks training on one of the HH novice schedules. So I think I need to accept that I'm back at that level and rebuilding rather than trying to rush back.

    Based on this dawning reality, whats the rush with a spring marathon? It would seem to be putting a lot of pressure on yourself. Would you not just ease yourself back into running, learn to swim, do a few sprint tri's/duathlons, 5k's/10k's and get the shorter race times down to <2:50 marathon level and then hit into training in 12 months time - you've done a fair few marathons and I think you ain't gonna learn a whole lot more from running a 2:55 marathon. Neither will training for a 2:55 marathon improve your 10k time to what is required for a 2:45 marathon.

    Training for triathlons/duathlons will actually probably get you further along the road to a 2:45 marathon than training for a 2:55 marathon if that makes any sense??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    Good luck andrew. Will have similar marathon goals to yourself so will watch with interest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    I've been "out of love" with running for a very long time - probably a couple of years - and today reminded me a little bit why I used to run so much.

    Good to see you back at it, and back loving it. Never mind the belly from your opening post, that ego you're carrying around must be adding a minute a mile;)
    Best of luck for your targets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Good to see you back at it, and back loving it. Never mind the belly from your opening post, that ego you're carrying around must be adding a minute a mile;)
    Best of luck for your targets.

    Cheers Big Man, that's appreciated. And you have it the wrong way round, the ego makes me faster (as well as better looking and more charming, etc... ;) )
    Good luck andrew. Will have similar marathon goals to yourself so will watch with interest

    Thanks, but I've a funny feeling that one of us is more realistic about his abilities than the other (hint, I've never been known for my grasp on reality)
    Gringo78 wrote: »
    Based on this dawning reality, whats the rush with a spring marathon? It would seem to be putting a lot of pressure on yourself. Would you not just ease yourself back into running, learn to swim, do a few sprint tri's/duathlons, 5k's/10k's and get the shorter race times down to <2:50 marathon level and then hit into training in 12 months time - you've done a fair few marathons and I think you ain't gonna learn a whole lot more from running a 2:55 marathon. Neither will training for a 2:55 marathon improve your 10k time to what is required for a 2:45 marathon.

    Training for triathlons/duathlons will actually probably get you further along the road to a 2:45 marathon than training for a 2:55 marathon if that makes
    any sense??

    That's a really good post and it makes a lot of sense and echoes a lot of what I had thought myself.

    I began running in mid 2005 and was in marathon training consistently until the end of 2009. I missed the first half of 2010 but put in a lot of good mileage and tough (although patchy) training to race last October and managed to get back faster than I had been before the break. This year I actually started a marathon program for Am'dam and did a couple of weeks pretty much from cold including a 16 miler in mid June. So I am pretty sure that I have retained a lot of base endurance but have lost all (or most) of whatever speed I had.

    Which is why I decided to go for the 5k race, something that short I will need to really push outside my comfort zone in terms of speedwork and that should push my average pace on my GA runs up a bit. After that I will be able to sit down and make a proper, informed decision about a marathon and if I am able to commit to the program or not.

    I genuinely do see where you are coming from with the argument that I will learn nothing by running 2:55 and a year of intense short stuff might springboard me to 2:45 in one leap. It's a good argument, grounded in science and experiences from a lot of credible runners and posters here. My problem is that I feel I work better with progressive goals and I need confidence in my training and ability to really deliver on targets - I don't know if I would get that confidence by going in one jump rather than taking baby bites. I will certainly be keeping an eye on it though.

    Maybe the best thing is to draw a line in the sand. If I can run under xx for the 5k (bearing in mind it is Stephens day!) then I have gained the speed for a crack at 2:55 and will train accordingly. Miss that and I commit to a year of short fast races. Sound fair? If so what should xx be? McMillan suggests sub 18 which would be 2 mins off my PB and maybe a stretch too far so how about sub 19?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    If I can run under xx for the 5k (bearing in mind it is Stephens day!) then I have gained the speed for a crack at 2:55 and will train accordingly. Miss that and I commit to a year of short fast races. Sound fair? If so what should xx be? McMillan suggests sub 18 which would be 2 mins off my PB and maybe a stretch too far so how about sub 19?

    Agreed. Meet halfway, 18:30 it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    Agreed. Meet halfway, 18:30 it is.

    You know in my "proper" job I write software that calculates and reports on performance data for manufacturing facilities. So you would think I would do the maths *before* casually throwing out a number wouldn't you?

    AN 18:30 5K IS 5:58 PER MILE!!!! :eek:

    That is going to hurt. But yea, bring it on, how hard can it be??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Best of luck Andrew in particular with the new tri ventures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Cheers - I think the tri ventures are going to need luck!

    Right I didn't run today because I am planning a short run tomorrow with a quicker pace element but I wanted to do a quick update...

    After posting up the log I had a message from an experienced poster and coach on here offering to "remote coach" me (I'm not sure if they want to out themselves / me to reveal them or if they want to stay anonymous in case I bomb on my targets!). It was a hard decision in some ways - I have always been self coached and I am diabolically bad at being told what to do but this guy knows his stuff, in particular at the shorter distances, so I figure I have nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain.

    So here is the plan for next week:

    Monday 6 miles easy (GA)

    Tuesday 4 miles easy

    Wednesday 6 miles easy + 6x80m strides (5k-10k pace w/ walk back full recovery)

    Thursday 6 easy

    Friday 4 miles recovery (9.30+ pace)

    Saturday 1 mile easy, 3 miles up tempo (7-7.10 min mile pace), 1 mile easy

    Sunday 10 miles easy

    Total mileage: 41

    It will feel a bit strange for a couple of reasons but I'm really looking forward to it; feeling much more motivated now than I have for a long time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    I had planned 6 with 3 tempo but in line with the coaches plan for next week I decided to do 4 with 2 @ tempo.

    First mile nice and easy in 8:03, watch beeps and off I go. Insta-regret as I had made the dumbest rookie mistake - rather than easing up to tempo pace over 1/4 or 1/2 a mile like I should have to get my body used to it I just kicked off straight away which of course puts a huge strain on your CV / CR systems. Funny how all the little tricks and proper techniques get forgotten when you are out of training for a while.

    Anyhoo 1st tempo mile was 6:41, which was a tiny bit spicy for my current fitness (I was aiming at 7:00 - 7:10) so I backed off (or my lungs backed off for me ;)) to 7:05 for the second mile. I was bloody glad the fast section was over but the limiter was my breathing rather than my legs, which I was a bit surprised by. CV fitness is first to build so a few weeks hard training should see rapid progress on that front at which stage I'll be able to see where the limits are on my leg strength and speed. Final mile was a recovery 8:55.

    I was a tiny bit daunted about knocking 2 mins a mile off and running a mile further in ~8 weeks but if it was easy there wouldn't be a lot of point now, would there :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    After posting up the log I had a message from an experienced poster and coach on here offering to "remote coach" me (I'm not sure if they want to out themselves / me to reveal them or if they want to stay anonymous in case I bomb on my targets!)

    Where is the optimism?:D

    That target will be taken care of before long dont you worry;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    You know in my "proper" job I write software that calculates and reports on performance data for manufacturing facilities. So you would think I would do the maths *before* casually throwing out a number wouldn't you?

    AN 18:30 5K IS 5:58 PER MILE!!!! :eek:

    That is going to hurt. But yea, bring it on, how hard can it be??

    The fact that you find that pace scary shows that its speed you need to work on....an 18:30 5k would correspond to a sub 3 marathon by both Daniels VDOT & McMillan so with the right training it should be no trouble to you. If the final target is a 2:45 marathon in 2013 (6:17p) then you will need to work towards getting comfortable at much faster paces, i.e 2:45 training will require doing 1km intervals & Yasso 800's at better than 5:30p & 4-6m tempo runs at better than the current 5k pace target.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    The fact that you find that pace scary shows that its speed you need to work on....an 18:30 5k would correspond to a sub 3 marathon by both Daniels VDOT & McMillan so with the right training it should be no trouble to you. If the final target is a 2:45 marathon in 2013 (6:17p) then you will need to work towards getting comfortable at much faster paces, i.e 2:45 training will require doing 1km intervals & Yasso 800's at better than 5:30p & 4-6m tempo runs at better than the current 5k pace target.

    You can take a day off from being right you know ;)

    Despite the bluff and bluster I am actually fairly modest about my running abilities and very aware of my relative strengths and weaknesses. As far as I can see anyone can build endurance, that's just a case of plodding out the miles and endurance naturally follows. Speed is different, you can improve it but everyone has a natural limit dictated by genetics / talent / what have you. I don't consider myself a particularly talented runner so I have concentrated on making the most of my strengths (endurance) and I've ignored the speed side. I agree 100% with you though - to go beyond 3 hours I need more than brute endurance, I need speed, which takes us back to the 5k target... A lot of it is in my head as well - when I started running long runs were at 10 min/miles so 6:50/mile *sounds* freakishly fast, even though is was my PMP.

    Anyhoo I had to do a full days work today instead of sneaking off early for a run and when I looked out into the gathering gloom and biblical rain my first thought was "bugger this, I'll run tomorrow". Wimping out of Day 1 of the coached program though would have been a new low even by my uncommitted standards so I gritted my teeth, promised myself that skin is waterproof and off out the door.

    I ran an "undulating" route through town and there were a few stops for traffic and what have you and pace was 7:58 / 8:00 / 8:30 / 8:38 / 8:27 / 8:14. Easy days easy and a steady effort throughout. Felt great actually, great to be out and about!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    As far as I can see anyone can build endurance, that's just a case of plodding out the miles and endurance naturally follows. Speed is different, you can improve it but everyone has a natural limit dictated by genetics / talent / what have you. I don't consider myself a particularly talented runner so I have concentrated on making the most of my strengths (endurance) and I've ignored the speed side. I agree 100% with you though - to go beyond 3 hours I need more than brute endurance, I need speed, which takes us back to the 5k target... A lot of it is in my head as well - when I started running long runs were at 10 min/miles so 6:50/mile *sounds* freakishly fast, even though is was my PMP.

    Apply your thinking on endurance to speed and maybe things will seem less difficult. Everybody accepts endurance is something that just needs to worked on. Comes easier to some people so a 12 week marathon training plan does the trick, other people will go for 18 weeks. Commonly accepted approach is start at long run of 12 miles and add one or 2 each week with a couple of step back weeks. No problem.

    Then we get to Speed and we try to knock out 10 x 1km at our aspirational 5k pace and die after 3 reps and think "damn, I'm just naturally slow". It just takes work just like endurance and we lose speed just as quick as endurance. The great thing about speed though is it doesn't take as much time on a weekly basis to build as endurance. Just takes patience.

    Well done for getting out in the rain tonight. Didn't feel like going out this evening myself either and nearly cried off telling myself I'm tapering so there was no need....ended up having one of those runs where I felt I could have hit any target set for me, absolute magic, total runners high. Just hope that wasn't me peaking tonight 7 days early.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    Well done for getting out in the rain tonight. Didn't feel like going out this evening myself either and nearly cried off telling myself I'm tapering so there was no need....ended up having one of those runs where I felt I could have hit any target set for me, absolute magic, total runners high. Just hope that wasn't me peaking tonight 7 days early.

    Those runs are magical - that's what keeps me coming back for more, just keep that feeling bottled for another week and don't let it out early!

    4 miles easy tonight. I have no idea when I last laced up my trainers to run 4 miles was - I think even my taper runs last Oct were longer than 4 miles! Took WonderHound and JuniorHound with me and the first mile was 7:41 (as I tried to convince myself that this was the speed I was setting, not the pace that a hyperactive springer spaniel had decided on). Once down by the river and with my pacemaker (who would fit right in with the DCM pacers actually, she also has issues with balloons) more interested in the swans than flaking off into the middle distance I was able to back off to a couple of 8:25 - 8:30ish miles. Bizarrely they felt far tougher on my legs than teh faster mile - in teh first mile I felt I had real zip, spring and bounce but as soon as I slowed I felt heavy legged. Strange. 8:14 on the last mile and home to be greeted by Father In Law who says "Well you can't have run far!". Sigh. I gets no respect from anyone. I sniffly pointed out that I was on a coached program and I was simply doing as I was told before retiring to the East Wing of Amadeus Mansions and going to my gym for some body weight core & upper body stuff.

    If only others knew just how horrifically difficult my life is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    Just hope that wasn't me peaking tonight 7 days early.

    Apologies for hijacking Amadeus....whats the target Gringo ?
    I presume its Dublin your doing....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    Sosa wrote: »
    Apologies for hijacking Amadeus....whats the target Gringo ?
    I presume its Dublin your doing....

    2:50 pace to 20 miles and then empty the tank for the last 10k.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Yea, we will allow that target, it's respectable!

    I was supposed to run yesterday but it just didn't happen, too much real life going on so it was an unscheduled rest day. That meant bumping the 6 w 6*80m strides to today.

    Beautiful day for it, crisp but bright and still. As I am planning on running my next mara in lightweight shoes I used my Asics Hyperspeeds (ooooh, sexy!) for this one. Headed off and one of the first things I noticed was how strong my core felt - I have been doing specific training for it but I am pretty sure it is too early to see much in teh way of an advantage from that yet. Still it felt really solid and I really just left the legs to click away automatically at whatever pace they wanted. Once I settled in I noticed my breathing as well - slow and steady but really deep, sucking air in deeply using my diaphragm. I was going to be doing strides for form but I had somehow clicked back into the kind of technical running I was doing at peak training. Amazing how quickly it all comes flooding back even after such a long break, it just goes to show build that base people!

    But the question is did all this steady rhythm, good arm swing and deep breathing have any effect on my speed? Easy 7:50 / 7:49 first two miles and I saw a runner in front. Accidentally picked the speed up to 7:10 to go past and still felt fine but realised I was at the edge of the pace Coach has set as my tempo speed so I allowed it to drift back to a pair of 7:20's. Still feeling great but knowing I had strides I cut it back to 8:30 for the last mile to get ready for the speed stuff.

    I needed to be at 5k race pace for the 6*80s and I screwed up with the garmin and didn't time the second one but pace (min mile) / time were:

    5:15 / 00:00:15.6
    ?????
    5:15 / 00:00:15.6
    5:02 / 00:15:00
    4:41 / 00:14:00
    5:00 / 00:14.9
    4:51 / 00:14.4

    It was only 80m with full recovery but I'm happy with the consistency of the effort and the pace. Great days training and I'm really starting to believe in the targets again. Tough few days coming up - unexpected trip by car to the UK - so how I will train I don't know, but I'll manage!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Well that didn't go according to plan!

    A last minute trip by car to the UK cropped up so I had to leave home at 4:30am on Friday morning and drive non-stop to Surrey. We had an appointment that horrific roadworks on the M6 and M25 kept us 45 mins late for and that then dragged on for hours so it was after 10pm when I got into the hotel. The last thing I wanted to do at that stage was run but I did head out on Saturday morning. I wasn't sure if I should do the 6 easy or the 5 w/3 at tempo but the first half mile with very tight quads made up my mind and I ran an easy 5 in the end (around the mean streets of Croyden!) average pace 8 min / miles and it was nice to see so many other runners out.

    Sunday was a washout running-wise, major stuff going on and priorities were elsewhere and then on Bank Holiday Monday the long drive back. Able to take our time this time but didn't get home till after 3am.

    Tuesday was an easy 4 (well easy 3.96 apparently!) with pace 7:28 / 7:48 / 7:35 / 7:33. Dark out so had to run on the lit pavement which at least put some hills on it.

    Then today 6 easy w 6*80m strides. This session left me feeling great last week but it was all catching up a tiny bit tonight. I ran at a steady RPE but hills, traffic, crossing roads and the like kept either slowing me down, stopping me or otherwise disrupting my rhythm. 7:43 / 7:30 / 7:48 / 8:06 / 7:59 / 7:59. The 80m reps weren't red hot either - in secs 19 (I didn't think it was recording so I ran easy!) / 15.5 / 16.2 / 17 / 16.3 / 16.1 with pace varying from 5:13 - 5:42/mile.

    6 easy tommorow and 4 recovery Friday and I am going to run them sssllllllloooooowwwwwllllyyyy - I need to get some bounce back after the trip. Off to Switzerland on Sunday (will probably need to juggle the schedule and do my longer run on Sat rather than Sunday, especially as its a killer Daniels style mixed tempo one) and I'm away until Thursday so who knows what training I'll get done. Still it's been great talking to people who ran DCM and hearing how hyped they were, very jealous that I wasn't there in some capacity. So I'm off to mooch the logs and see who hit what targets!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    .... very jealous that I wasn't there in some capacity.

    That makes 2 of us :( Hey, good stuff on the log so far, a bit busier than your last one, keep it up :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Grüsse aus der Schweiz!

    Flying home today having come here late on Sunday - well I left the house at 8am but didn't get to me hotel until well after 10pm. I knew I would find it tough to get any runs in but I have managed 2 so satisfactory rather than exceptional I suppose.

    The first one was Tuesday evening. I was staying in a small town about an hour by train from Zurich, in a hotel by the river. I went out and took a right up the river (not having a clue where I was or where it led!) Path turned to residential street turned to perfect running - a flat gravel walkway by the river leading out of town. The water was crystal clear - literally you could see through several feet of it to the bottom - and the trees were in full autumnal glory. Slightly chilly but clear and dry and I was loving it, took it pretty handy as the path got further out of town and I had to run under low railway bridges and through forest. I was planning on 6 and I was pretty glad when the turnaround was reached - the path had increasing numbers of branches and sideshoots and I have a long and distinguished history of getting lost when running overseas (one highlight being a recovery 6 at HMs wedding in Portugal turning into a 13+ with no water in teh midday sun!). Full moon came up and dusk was falling fast so I picked up the pace from the ~8 mins or so of teh first mile, back past the herd of cattle with thier cacophony of bells (I didn't think they really did that) and running at a controlled faster pace. It was too dark to see my watch so I just ran steady and was surprised to see that I had progressively sped up. Mile splits were 8:02 / 7:51 / 8:20 (lots of low bridges and trail branches!) / 7:42 / 7:14 / 7:09. Def could have run at that speed for a lot longer.

    And today a slow touristy lap of Zurich. Roughly 4 miles but I lost satellite reception so who knows! 8:09 average for the tracked bits. Strange city this one - very germanic, straight laced and quietly prosperous. The people - both here and in the smaller town - are perfectly polite but not particularly warm. Damn good english though. And it's obvious where all that prosperity comes from - there are factories everywhere. When I was running I went past a big industrial complex that must have covered an acre or two of prime city centre, river front real estate. In Dublin that would have been shut down, leveled and turned into "executive" shoebox apartments lying unsold at €500K each. Here it's still full of heavy machinery and people in overalls making things and earning wages. Ireland could learn a huge amount from here - thier manufacturing cost per unit is very high in comparison with China but the factory I spent time working at has just had a multi million dollar investment by it's US owner because of the quality and productivity standards. If we spent less time chasing call centre and services sector investment and writing off manufacturing because we can't compete on wages with the likes of China and instead starting looking at producing German standard work and output on lower wages we would be significantly better off.

    Anyway home late tonight and hoping to run Fri / Sat (couple of key sessions from the coach) and flying to Hamburg on Sunday. I pity my credit card.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    It dawned on me that that ^ might sound like I am having a dig at call centres, etc. I'm not, I'm just saying that there are huge chunks of the unemployed at the minute who will never qualify for a job in a call centre no matter how many FAS courses they do because the service industry needs a certain skillset that they don't have. 20 years ago these people would have worked in factories, more recently in construction. Now they don't work.

    Anyway, enough off topic, I'm going to read about running :)


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