Dale Farm Residents lose legal battle.

Dublindude69

Looks like the residents of Dale Farm are going to be evicted. If they are there illegally why are they fighting the eviction?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dale-farm-travellers-promise-to-fight-eviction-as-final-appeal-fails-2372011.html

whatever **** you wrote:

Residents of the UK's biggest illegal Traveller site vowed to fight attempts to evict them yesterday after losing their final appeal in the High Court.

Supporters called for reinforcements and began manning the barricades after people living illegally at Dale Farm in Essex were refused permission to appeal against a court ruling allowing the local council to go ahead with the evictions.
Soon after the verdict was delivered, supporters of the Travellers said the site had gone into "lockdown" and Kathleen McCarthy, a Dale Farm resident, said: "This looks like the end of the road. We'll have to fight the bailiffs off." She added: "We've been left with no choice, we really have nowhere else to go. Do you think we'd put ourselves through this if we did?
"The law is prejudiced against Travellers. We were told 15 years ago to get off the road and buy our own land, but now they are forcing us and our kids out on to the road again. The barricades are all that stand between us and homelessness now."
The Travellers own the land near Basildon but do not have planning permission to live on approximately half of it. The legal battle has been rumbling on for more than 10 years but Court of Appeal judge Lord Justice Sullivan's decision yesterday that they cannot challenge an earlier verdict allowing the evictions to go ahead, brings the fight to an end in the UK courts.
However, Grattan Puxon, a spokesman for the Travellers, said they intended to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming that the evictions represent a contravention of their right to respect for private and family life. "We have already filed papers with the European Court of Human Rights and we are in line for a hearing but we don't know if it would be given emergency status and we do not have an injunction holding off the evictions until we can go. We are clear that we are left open to eviction from now. We are expecting the bailiffs to try to come into the site in the next 48 hours," he said.
"The UN has been saying for some months that the evictions would be a breach of our human rights. We believe it breaches Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights."
The residents were given a last-minute reprieve on 26 September while legal issues over what could and could not be removed from the site and applications to bring judicial reviews were considered. Basildon Council repeated its call for residents to leave peacefully.
Tony Ball, leader of the council, said: "Since last Wednesday evening the residents at Dale Farm have been living on borrowed time. The so-called supporters should also pack up their belongings and leave the site. If they have the Travellers' best interest at heart they will either leave the area now or confine their activities to helping the Travellers to leave."
He said the council would not give further notice of when a site clearance would begin, adding: "We are required to give 48 hours' notice to three plots and that we will do but the rest of the site will now be cleared at a time of our choosing. Our job is now to clear this site in a safe and dignified manner and this is what we intend to do."
Writing on their blog, Dale Farm Solidarity – a group supporting the residents – said: "We need supporters to come down as soon as possible to help resist this eviction."

ejmaztec

Dublindude69 wrote: »

Looks like the residents of Dale Farm are going to be evicted. If they are there illegally why are they fighting the eviction?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dale-farm-travellers-promise-to-fight-eviction-as-final-appeal-fails-2372011.html

Because the world is their oyster.

_Beau_

They own the land.

They do not, however, have permission to build on 50% of it, hence the evictions.

orourkeda

Those poor unfortunate members of the travelling community.

Fishooks12

Delighted, turf the ****ers out

admiralofthefleet

this is going to get interesting

fran oconnor

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Delighted, turf the ****ers out

But keep the feckers in England, we have enough of the dirty ****es over here..

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sky News should be the craic once the evictions start

Ally Dick

Travellers like to buy up land that they know is designated green belt. They get the land for a song. They then proceed to break the law. However, I am sure whoever sold the land to them was aware of this. They have to take some of the blame

fran oconnor

Braden Tall Loiterer wrote: »

Sky News should be the craic once the evictions start

I cant wait, its going to be comedy gold.

Saila

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Delighted, turf the ****ers out

or fuck the turfers out?

Micklaus

So....appeal to the courts and when you don't get your own way disobey the ruling.....usual.

Il Trap

Send in the bailiffs! :pac:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo2hR_vLbBQ&NR=1

EGAR

*Opens a bag of popcorn and gets comfortable*

Saila

Il Trap wrote: »

Send in the bailiffs! :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnRRW2gINw

fortwilliam

They have lost their final appeal, that's it, no further discussion.

Step 1, send in the council escorted by police to politley ask them to comply with the court order to leave.
Step 2, Send in the army accompanied by riot police, force eviction and arrest anyone resisting & bulldoze any caravans not off the property by a nominated time.

This should be done within the next 48 hours with clear and specific details given about the concequences of non-complience.

Done, next ...!

Dublindude69

This is probably going to get bloody.

Stinicker

The bad news in all this is if they are evicted they might come back home, I certainly don't the lot of them squatting in my town!

marcsignal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI

mackg

Braden Tall Loiterer wrote: »

Sky News should be the craic once the evictions start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8SkOhKG9Y

Lone Stone

They should give them boats, then they would be Sea Pikies everyone loves sea pikies !!

_Beau_

If you replaced 'traveller' with 'black person', would this conversation have taken the same route I wonder?

I suspect not.

Dublindude69

_Beau_ wrote: »

If you replaced 'traveller' with 'black person', would this conversation have taken the same route I wonder?

I suspect not.

If a group of black people where living somewhere illegally then yes, I would say toss em out, law applies to everyone.

_Beau_

I'm referring to the discriminatory remarks within this thread.

fran oconnor

Lone Stone wrote: »

They should give them boats, then they would be Sea Pikies everyone loves sea pikies !!

Happy go likeys you mean:)..

Dublindude69

_Beau_ wrote: »

I'm referring to the discriminatory remarks within this thread.

Well as someone who is sick to death of being harrassed daily by travellers, beingthreatened, robbed, beaten up by them and then going to the guardi and being pretty much told nothing will be done about it because they are travellers so yeah, I have no compassion for them at all.
They seem to think they law doesn't apply to them that's why I'm so interested to see how this turns out.

mikemac

I'm disappointed they lost

Now they might be coming over here

fran oconnor

Dublindude69 wrote: »

Well as someone who is sick to death of being harrassed daily by travellers, beingthreatened, robbed, beaten up by them and then going to the guardi and being pretty much told nothing will be done about it because they are travellers so yeah, I have no compassion for them at all.
They seem to think they law doesn't apply to them that's why I'm so interested to see how this turns out.

I can honestly say, i wouldn't pee on them if they were on fire, i wonder have the people that defend these dirty bastards ever been on the end of them robbing from you, or leaving an area where you live in bits. They are low life scum that don't want to abide by the same rules as everyone else, but they still want to be treated the same..

_Beau_

Dublindude69 wrote: »

Well as someone who is sick to death of being harrassed daily by travellers, beingthreatened, robbed, beaten up by them and then going to the guardi and being pretty much told nothing will be done about it because they are travellers so yeah, I have no compassion for them at all.
They seem to think they law doesn't apply to them that's why I'm so interested to see how this turns out.

Since when did painting an entire group of people with the same brush become reasonable?

As far as I'm aware, anecdotal evidence does not support an argument, especially one that favours discrimination.

Chuck Stone

I suspect most of the Travellers will leave except for a few hardcore ones.

It'd be fairly traumatising for the kids to experience forced eviction.

Dublindude69

_Beau_ wrote: »

Since when did painting an entire group of people with the same brush become reasonable?

As far as I'm aware, anecdotal evidence does not support an argument, especially one that favours discrimination.

I've never had a good experience with them at all. I've delt with plenty of them and had to quit 2 jobs because of the abuse you get from them. That's why I'm glad I no longer work retail because they make you're daily life hell. They do what they want and get away with it, they know no one will do anything about it.

Chuck Stone

fran oconnor wrote: »

I can honestly say, i wouldn't pee on them if they were on fire, i wonder have the people that defend these dirty bastards ever been on the end of them robbing from you, or leaving an area where you live in bits. They are low life scum that don't want to abide by the same rules as everyone else, but they still want to be treated the same..

That's no way to talk about property speculaters, bankers and politicians.

They're not all bad.

_Beau_

Dublindude69 wrote: »

I've never had a good experience with them at all. I've delt with plenty of them and had to quit 2 jobs because of the abuse you get from them. That's why I'm glad I no longer work retail because they make you're daily life hell. They do what they want and get away with it, they know no one will do anything about it.

Having taught them, I have had very different experiences.

On saying that, back in my part-time job days, I worked in hotel bars and I could say the very same thing about non-travellers.

Dublindude69

MOre news, looks like they could get tossed out any minuite now, I've a feeling the eviction will be all over the news, it's not going to be clean or tidy.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1018/breaking39.html

Wolfe Tone

Some of the comments in this thread are a disgrace.

4leto

Traveller who wont travel.

In England they are very anal about planning laws, the same here but only recently, if they broke planning laws there really isn't a case to support them. At least I haven't heard a good one.

Dublindude69

4leto wrote: »

Traveller who wont travel.

In England they are very anal about planning laws, the same here but only recently, if they broke planning laws there really isn't a case to support them. At least I haven't heard a good one.

Because they are travellers and they can do what ever the hell they want, break whatever law they like and nothing will happen to them.

old hippy

Dublindude69 wrote: »

Because they are travellers and they can do what ever the hell they want, break whatever law they like and nothing will happen to them.

Not true.

4leto

I separate the issues, they are seen as travellers who broke the law, but they are people who broke the law, you are just not allowed buy a piece of land and do what the hell you want with it. Isn't that a good thing???

Chuck Stone

4leto wrote: »

you are just not allowed buy a piece of land and do what the hell you want with it. Isn't that a good thing???

I would say, on the whole, yes.

I do think that the coverage of the Traveller community's problems is magnified by the media. Bad news makes good news etc.

Dublindude69

So they have barracaded themselves in now? There is no way in or out, if they are their illegally why don't they just move?

galwayrush

It's not as if they don't have any homes to go to.:rolleyes:

Biggins

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I suspect most of the Travellers will leave except for a few hardcore ones.

Around 50% (or more) is supposed to be gone already it been reported.
Only the die-hards have stayed, not just to fight for their actual land but to try highlight issues concerning their traveling community as a whole.

Dublindude69

Biggins wrote: »

Around 50% (or more) is supposed to be gone already it been reported.
Only the die-hards have stayed, not just to fight for their actual land but to try highlight issues concerning their traveling community as a whole.

I thought the ones that where their legally where allowed to stay.

Freddie59

_Beau_ wrote: »

Since when did painting an entire group of people with the same brush become reasonable?

As far as I'm aware, anecdotal evidence does not support an argument, especially one that favours discrimination.

Hmmm. 'Anecdotal evidence' always surfaces when someone is defending any traveller misbehaving.:rolleyes:

Wolflikeme

_Beau_ wrote: »

Since when did painting an entire group of people with the same brush become reasonable?

As far as I'm aware, anecdotal evidence does not support an argument, especially one that favours discrimination.

Here comes the PC brigade. And earlier than expected.

When is it reasonable to paint them all with the same brush?

When everyone of them you've ever encountered (it's no coincidence - and the same goes for the large majority of those I know) have tried intimidation, extortion and brazen thieving.

Oh and let's not forget the king of the knackers fight. What a nice bunch of athletes.

They ALL want something for nothing, they don't pay taxes, they don't want to (and they bloody well don't) abide by the law of the land yet they want to be treated the same as everyone else.

One more thing: I don't give a f*ck what anyone says - they fcuking stink (!!!) as well.

starbelgrade

"I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country ... to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black, one would not feel it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours".

Having read some of the bile spouted out by some of the posters in this thread, you'd be forgiven for thinking that I was quoting another poster. However, this was written by Charles Kingsley's about his visit to Ireland in 1860.

You would think that as the times have moved on, that people's mentalities would be more informed & not stuck back in the 1890's, but it is apparent that there are still a fair amount of knuckle dragging neanderthals knocking about the place.

To simply tar an entire race or community with the same brush is disgraceful.. "fuckers", "dirty shites", "dirty bastards".. insinuating that they are all law breakers... I mean for fuck sake lads - grow up. Do you not realise that these are exactly the same types of things the British used to say about the Irish, that the whites in America used to say about the blacks... that every other racist says about anyone they fear or know nothing about?

And if you think that racism is simply defined by colour or birthplace, then quite simply, you are wrong & you are a racist. If that is something you can live with, then fine, but you should also understand how petty, small minded & backward that makes you... and that is nothing to be proud of.

Now.. back to the topic on hand. The simple fact is that these people have broken planning laws & where they live is an unauthorised development. Unathorised developments happen all over the country in Ireland - people build stuff all the time without planning permission & then in a lot of cases apply for retention. Most times, they get a grant of permission. This is nothing new & not a law that is solely broken by travellers - it's much more prevelant among the settled community.

There is no doubt in my mind that the British government pushed this case through as a populist action.. they wanted to prove a point & they have done so.

Now, by the letter of the law, they are within their rights to do so, but at what cost? Apart from the financial cost, which is massive, these travellers will simply have to move on to somewhere else.

So in the end, it's not a problem solved, just one moved on.

Let's not be mistaken here - this is not a victory for anyone.

Micky Dolenz

Fair warning.

Abusive generalizations will result in bans.

SEPT 23 1989

Who are these young middle class people defending Travelers rights?

Biggins

Dublindude69 wrote: »

I thought the ones that where their legally where allowed to stay.

They are. A few others also have stayed on also however partly is thought, to keep traveler issues in the spotlight, not just fighting to mainly preserve their extra-curriculum building work.

(A bit like Martin McG in the Pres' race some in the media have commented. Even if they SF lose, they win!)

Chuck Stone

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Oh and let's not forget the king of the knackers fight. What a nice bunch of athletes.

I enjoy watching boxing and MMA and of the Travellers fights I've watched on youtube I have to say that they are extremely well refereed.

If you're against contact sports then fine. If you're only against Traveller fights then that's a bit inconsistent.



I'm going to have to get my Health and Safety 'P.C. Brigade' tattoo