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Does McGuinness have any chance given the Indo's campaign against him?
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The Anglo German queen of England wasn't elected by the people, McGuinness and Peter Robinson were. That's why I said "practically"Monty Burnz wrote: »No, I think you'll find that's Queen Elizabeth 2. I can understand your confusion though...
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Wolfe Tone wrote: »"Move on, but not down here" seems to be the message.
Isn't that what Martin calls the country whose presidency he's trying to win?
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The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »Pretty much the standard response of all mafias.
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The mantra of SF over the last few weeks has been "move on, forget the dark days of the past and move towards a better future" etc etc. yet they themselves wallow in the past they exhort the rest of us to forget. This is one page from An Phoblacht's website:
I know it's long- that's the point. SF doesn't want us to move on from the past- they wantus to selectively forget the past when it's inconvenient to them.I nDíl Chuimhne
1 October 1977: Seán Ó CONAILL, Sinn Féin (Parkhurst Prison)
1 October 1996: Pat McGEOWN, Sinn Féin
2 October 1971: Volunteer Terence McDERMOTT, Belfast Brigade, 1st Battalion
2 October 1978: Volunteer Pat HARKIN, Derry Brigade
6 October 1972: Volunteer Daniel McAREAVEY, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion
9 October 1976: Noel JENKINSON, Sinn Féin (Leicester Prison)
9 October 1990: Volunteer Dessie GREW, Martin McCAUGHEY, Tyrone Brigade
10 October 1972: Volunteer John DONAGHY, Volunteer Patrick MAGUIRE, Volunteer Joseph McKINNEY, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion
16 October 1972: Volunteer Hugh HERON, Volunteer John Patrick MULLAN, Tyrone Brigade
16 October 1976: Volunteer Paul MARLOWE, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion; Volunteer Frank FITZSIMMONS, Volunteer Joseph SURGENOR, Belfast Brigade, 3rd Battalion
16 October 1992: Sheena CAMPBELL, Sinn Féin
18 October 1974: Volunteer Michael HUGHES, Newry Brigade
23 October 1971: Volunteer Dorothy MAGUIRE, Volunteer Maura MEEHAN, Cumann na mBan, Belfast
23 October 1979: Volunteer Martin McKENNA, Belfast Brigade, 3rd Battalion
23 October 1993: Volunteer Thomas BEGLEY, Belfast Brigade, 3rd Battalion
24 October 1971: Volunteer Martin FORSYTHE, Belfast Brigade, 1st Battalion
25 October 1982: Peter CORRIGAN, Sinn Féin
26 October 1990: Tommy CASEY, Sinn Féin
27 October 1970: Volunteer Peter BLAKE, Volunteer Tom McGOLDRICK, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion
28 October 1976: Máire DRUMM, Sinn Féin
28 October 1987: Volunteer Paddy DEERY, Volunteer Eddie McSHEFFREY, Derry Brigade
30 October 1974: Volunteer Michael MEENAN, Derry Brigade
31 October 1975: Volunteer Seamus McCUSKER, Belfast Brigade, 3rd Battalion
Always remembered by the Republican Movement
Ó CONAILL, Seán (Sinn Féin). In memory of Seán Ó Conaill whose illness went undiagnosed and untreated in Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight, and who died in hospital on 1 October 1977, the day after removal from prison. Remembered by his friends in the Prisoners’ Aid Committee.
QUIGLEY, Jimmy. In proud and loving memory of Volunteer Jimmy Quigley whose 39th anniversary occurs on 29th September. Always remembered by his brother Tommy and family.
Comhbrón
DONNELLY. Deepest sympathies are extended to Paul, Alan and the wider Donnelly family circle on the sad loss of their father John. From the Hazlett family, Blanchardstown.
DONNELLY. Deepest sympathies are extended to Paul and Alan Donnelly on the recent death of their father John. From all the members and supporters of the Volunteer Joe McDonnell Sinn Féin Cumann, Baile Átha Cliath Thiar.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy to Tonya and family on the recent death of Mark. From Ross Carmody.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to Tony Duncan and his family on the death of his brother Mark. From his comrades in the ODU, Dublin.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy to Tony and all of the Duncan family on the sad and untimely death of Mark. From Dublin Sinn Féin
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy to Tony and his family on the recent death of his brother Mark. From Pajo.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to Gerry O’Flaherty and family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From his comrades in the ODU, Dublin.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the recent and sudden death of Yvonne. From the National ODU.
O’FLAHERTY. To Gerry and all the family, heart felt sympathy on the death of Yvonne.
“All things are impermanent, with mindfulness strive on.” From Pajo and Donna Mac Aodh.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade and friend Gerry O’Flaherty and all his family on the death of Yvonne. From Peter Graves and everyone in the Sinn Féin Bookshop.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade and friend Gerry O’Flaherty and all his family on the death of Yvonne. From Dublin Sinn Féin.
Buíochas
The Volunteer Charlie McGlade Sinn Féin Cumann, Drimnagh, would like to thank all those who participated in our recent commemoration, especially Paddy Quinn, Dáithí Doolan, the Burns/Moley Sinn Féin Cumann from South Armagh, the Dublin colour party and the Rising Phoenix RFB.
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CHARLIE McGLADE COMMEMORATION IN DUBLIN
Posted by aprn On September - 30 - 2011 ADD COMMENTS
BY IAN McBRIDE
Colour Party outside the McGlade family home
H-BLOCKS Hunger Striker Paddy Quinn, from south Armagh, told the Volunteer Charlie McGlade Commemoration in Dublin that the best monument that could be given to Charlie McGlade, his Hunger Strike comrades and all those who have given their lives for Irish freedom is to build the Republic which they fought and died for. “This can only be given to them now by working with and popularising Sinn Féin.”
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Commemoration
First Derry Volunteer to be killed by Crown forces, 1971
Posted by aprn On September - 9 - 2011 ADD COMMENTS
ÓGLACH EAMONN LAFFERTY MEMORIAL LECTURE, 40th ANNIVERSARY | BY MARTIN McGUINNESS MP, MLA
A large audience turned out for the Eamonn Lafferty Memorial Lecture in Derry City
“EAMONN LAFFERTY was the first IRA Volunteer to be killed by crown forces in Derry in the recent phase of our struggle, on 18th August 1971. Coming in the immediate aftermath of the introduction of internment and inside the perimeter of what was at that time ‘Free Derry’, it had an indelible impact on the whole community. We also remember IRA Volunteer James O’Hagan, who lost his life in a shooting in the Waterside the following day.
It says a lot about Eamonn’s strength of character that in the IRA at that time he was identified as a leader at the young age of 18 and led from the front in many actions without fear until his untimely death following a fierce gun-battle with British forces 40 years ago today — just two months short of his 20th birthday.
The Hunger Strike came at the end of a decade in which the British Government had employed every conceivable weapon in its substantial military and political arsenal. This included its determination to forge political alliances with the SDLP and the Irish Government in an attempt to stem the growing influence of republicans and undermine our developing peace and political strategy.
The British aim was simple — to protect British interests and to defeat Irish republicanism and the struggle for Irish reunification and independence.
While the foundations for the peaceful, democratic process in which we now play a major part lays in the years following the Hunger Strike, IRA Volunteers like Eamonn Lafferty continued to engage the might of the British Army.
Senior members of the British Army conceded that they could never hope to defeat the IRA. Eventually, in the aftermath of the 1997 general election, the British Government, led by Prime Minister Tony Blair, came to the negotiating table.
I have had many very interesting conversations with Tony Blair, the most interesting of which took place during the week leading to the Good Friday Agreement when he
admitted that after studying Irish history that it was his view that successive British governments were as responsible as anyone from the North for the situation that partition had brought.
Everyone needs to be clear about the type of republic we want to create: Sinn Féin wants to change the status quo on this island not join it. We are a country in transition, a country in continuous change and Sinn Féin is driving that change.
The construction of the New Republic will require the reconciliation of Orange and Green. It will require that we reach out to unionists and engage with them to determine what accommodating them and their understanding of Britishness in a new Ireland would entail. It will necessitate us, as republicans, to think outside our comfort zone, to consider different constructs that although would be independent and sovereign, may not fit our traditional view of the Republic.
I believe that it is generally accepted that if we are to map our way towards Irish unity we need to do so in a manner that is both economically attractive and politically sensitive to those unionists who fear change will disadvantage them. We must change our politics, our economy and our whole society for the better. But we can’t do that
without examining a fundamental issue — the way we govern ourselves.
We cannot expect to reach our full economic potential by maintaining two economic and political structures — two sets of currencies, tax systems, social services, laws and regulations — for a population of six million people. All the people who share this island would benefit from the creation of a vibrant, dynamic all-Ireland economy based on democratic control over Irish monetary and fiscal policies, an equitable and progressive tax regime, a harmonised VAT, income tax and corporation tax, and all-Ireland regulation of public and private sector business to ensure protection of the economic interests of the people of Ireland.
In the course of the struggle, many challenges have been placed in our way, many decisions had to be made. We acknowledge that these challenges and decisions posed great difficulties, apprehension and pain for some people — indeed at times including myself.
As a result, a small minority may have felt confused and disconnected from the changing strategy being adopted and an even smaller minority opposed the strategy.
To the former, I ask that them to honestly look at how far we have travelled in the last 40 years and to ask ourselves the question, how best do we deliver our common objective of building the New Republic, reuniting Ireland, and what contribution is required of all of us to make it happen? To the latter, I say the overwhelming number of republicans who participated in the struggle support our strategy. Under no circumstances can we allow tiny, unrepresentative groups committed to violence prevail over the democratically-expressed wishes of the people of Ireland’s 32 counties in election after election.
We are within striking distance of achieving what our fallen comrades gave their lives for. They created the circumstances for us as republicans to achieve our republican objectives. It’s up to each and every one of us who proclaim to be republican to stand shoulder to shoulder and finish the task set for us.
Let the laughter of our children be our revenge. Let’s make sure that our children are the generation that sees Ireland reunited and free.
We have within our grasp the opportunity to deliver the united, independent and free Ireland that Eamonn Lafferty, James O’Hagan and their comrades made the supreme sacrifice for.
They gave their lives and we must now give the rest of our lives to finish this historic task. The most fitting monument we can build to our fallen Volunteers will be the achievement of our republican objectives.”
» This is an edited version of the Eamonn Lafferty Memorial Lecture given by Martin McGuinness in the Creggan in Derry City on 18th August.
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Commemoration News
Death of Jack Layton, leader of Canada’s New Democratic Party
Posted by aprn On September - 9 - 2011 ADD COMMENTS
SINN FÉIN President Gerry Adams TD has expressed his sadness on learning the news of the death of Jack Layton, the leader of Canada’s New Democratic Party.
The Sinn Féin leader extended his deepest sympathy and condolences to Mr. Layton’s family, and his many friends and colleagues.
“I met Jack Layton in Toronto four years ago. He was a friend to the Irish Peace Process and even during difficult times he was a constant source of solidarity and encouragement.
“His support for peace and justice in Ireland was always assured and appreciated.
“I extend my condolences to Mr Layton’s wife, Olivia, his family, friends and colleagues.
“Go ndéana Dia trócaire ar a anam dílis “
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Obituary
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I nDíl Chuimhne
1 September 1973: Volunteer Anne Marie PETTICREW, Cumann na mBan, Belfast.
4 September 1970: Volunteer Michael KANE, Belfast Brigade, 3rd Battalion.
9 September 1973: Volunteer Francis DODDS, Long Kesh.
9 September 1985: Volunteer Raymond McLAUGHLIN, Donegal Brigade.
12 September 1989: Volunteer Seamus TWOMEY, GHQ Staff.
14 September 1986: Volunteer Jim McKERNAN, Belfast Brigade, 1st Battalion.
16 September 1991: Bernard O’HAGAN, Sinn Féin.
17 September 1972: Volunteer Michael QUIGLEY, Derry Brigade.
20 September 1972: Fian Joseph McCOMISKEY, Fianna Éireann.
22 September 1973: Volunteer James BRYSON, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion.
23 September 1996: Volunteer Diarmuid O’NEILL, England.
29 September 1972: Volunteer Jimmy QUIGLEY, Belfast Brigade, 2nd Battalion.Always remembered by the Republican MovementCONNOLLY, Benny. Always remembered by Declan Mullen, Cabra, Dublin.Comhbrón
McGLADE, Charlie. 17th September 1982. Fuair sé bas ar son soairse na hÉireann, always remembered by the Volunteer Charlie McGlade Sinn Feín Cumann, Drimnagh, Dublin.
MARCANTONIO, Louis. In proud and loving memory of Sinn Féin activist Louis Marcantonio, who died on 20th September 1985. Remembered by his family and friends in Dublin.
O’HAGAN, Bernard. In proud and loving memory of Councillor Bernard O’Hagan, murdered on 16th September 1991 by pro-British agents. Always remembered by the McCusker/ McMullan/ O’Hagan Sinn Féin Cumann, Swatragh, County Derry.
O’NEILL, Diarmuid. In proud and loving memory of Volunteer Diarmuid O’Neill, who was killed on active service in London on 23rd September 1996. Always remembered by the Republican Movement in Munster.
O’NEILL, Diarmuid. In proud and loving memory of Volunteer Diarmuid O’Neill, whose 15th anniversary occurs on the 23rd September, always remembered by Sinn Féin Cuige Mumhan; Sinn Féin Chorcaí; Cllrs Mick Nugent, Chris O’Leary, Thomas Gould, Henry Cremin & Fiona Kerins; Jonathan O’Brien TD, West Cork Sinn Féin Comhairle Ceantair; East Cork Sinn Féin Comhairle Ceantair; O’Neill/De Barra Sinn Féin Cumann, Cork City; Charlie Hurley Sinn Féin Cumann. Bandon; Ógra Shinn Féin, Chorcaí; MacCurtain/MacSwiney RFB, Corcaigh. “We must take no steps backwards, our steps must be onwards, for if we dont the martyrs who died for you, for me, for this country will haunt us for eternity” — Máire Drumm.
O’NEILL, Diarmuid. Murdered by the London Metropolitan Police. Always remembered by friends and comrades in the West London Republican Support Group, Hammersmith.
TREANOR, Tommy (London and Fintona, County Tyrone). Always remembered by friends and comrades in the West London Republican Support Group, Hammersmith.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark. From Sinn Féin Cúige Átha Cliath.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark. From Ann and Éamonn.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark. From Dessie and Ann Ellis.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathies are extended to Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark, from Treasa Quinn, Tommy and Sorcha Berry.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathies to Tony Duncan on the death of his brother Mark. Our thoughts are with you. From Noeleen and Dixie.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark. From Nicola King.
DUNCAN. Duncan. Deepest sympathy to Tony and family on the recent death of Mark. From Ross.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy from Mark McGrogan and family, Bray.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade Tony and the Duncan family on the death of his brother Mark. From the Black/Ryan Sinn Féin Cumann, Lucan; the Drumm/Doherty Sinn Féin Cumann, Clondalkin; the Terry Clarke Sinn Féin Cumann, North Clondalkin; the Markievicz/Ryan/O’Farrell Sinn Féin Cumann, Tallaght; and the Rising Phoenix RFB.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy is extended to Tony Duncan and his family on the death of his brother Mark. From his comrades in the ODU, Dublin.
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy to Tony and all of the Duncan family on the sad and untimely death of Mark. From Dublin Sinn Féin
DUNCAN. Deepest sympathy to Tony and his family on the death of his brother Mark. From Pajo.
GUERRINE. Deepest sympathy is extended to Peggy Guerrine and all the Guerrine family on the recent passing of Anto. From all the members and former members of the Martin Forsythe/Bob Smith Sinn Féin Cumann, Dublin South.
O’CONNELL. Sincere sympathies are extended to Martin and all the O’Connell family on the recent death of Seamus. From Cabra Sinn Féin.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From Sinn Féin Cúige Átha Cliath.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From Ann and Éamonn.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathies are extended to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From Treasa Quinn, Tommy and Sorcha Berry.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest condolences are offered to Gerry O’Flaherty on the death of his sister Yvonne. Our thoughts are with you. From Noeleen and Dixie.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From Dessie and Ann Ellis.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From Nicola King.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to Gerry O’Flaherty and family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From his comrades in the ODU, Dublin.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy to Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the recent and sudden death of Yvonne. From the National ODU.
O’FLAHERTY. To Gerry and all the family, heart felt sympathy on the death of Yvonne. “All things are impermanent, with mindfulness strive on.” From Pajo and Donna Mac Aodh.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade and friend Gerry O’Flaherty and all his family on the death of Yvonne. From Peter Graves and everyone in the Sinn Féin Bookshop.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade and friend Gerry O’Flaherty and all his family on the death of Yvonne. From Dublin Sinn Féin.
O’FLAHERTY. Deepest sympathy is extended to our comrade Gerry and the O’Flaherty family on the death of his sister Yvonne. From the Black/Ryan Cumann, Lucan; the Drumm/ Doherty Sinn Féin Cumann, Clondalkin; the Terry Clarke Sinn Féin Cumann, North Clondalkin; the Markievicz/Ryan/O’Farrell Sinn Féin Cumann, Tallaght; and the Rising Phoenix RFB.
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Clonmel marks the Hunger Strike
Posted by aprn On September - 9 - 2011 ADD COMMENTS
Blanket Man Jim McCann at the Clonmel Hunger Strike commemoration
THE 30th anniversary of the 1981 Hunger Strike was marked in Clonmel, County Tipperary, on 20th August, with a march through the town centre to the Manchester Martyrs monument on the Quay, where a wreath was laid.
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Commemoration In Remembrance
2011 Brian Keenan Challenge honours republican legend
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Winning team: Eamonn Nolan, Ruairí Ó Murchu, Darren O'Rourke and (not in photo) Colm Rennicks. They completed the course of 25km in 3hrs 46mins
BRIAN KEENAN’S daughter, Chrissie, joined Bobby Storey in making the presentations at the 4th Annual Brian Keenan Mountain Challenge, a 15-mile trek over the Cooley Mountains to pay tribute to the republican legend and raise money for Sinn Féin, at the end of August. Brian’s wife, also Chrissie, was also at the event.
IRA leader Brian Keenan passed away in 2008 and comrades initiated the Brian Keenan Challenge to honour his memory.
More than 30 teams of 154 people from all over Ireland took part on 27th August with the intrepid but good-humoured adventurers being bolstered by local Sinn Féin activists in south Down and Louth keeping them fuelled with hot soup, rolls, fresh water and plenty of fruit.
The winning team was Eamonn Nolan, Ruairí Ó Murchu, Darren O’Rourke and Colm Rennicks, who completed the course in 3 hours 46 minutes. The winners received the Brian Keenan Memorial Shield and a canvass portrait of the 1981 Hunger Strikers.
The runners-up each received a copy of ‘Banjo’ Bannon’s book, ‘Ascending Heights’ (‘Banjo’, Everest climber and one of Ireland’s most celebrated mountaineers, was a safety steward at this year’s event).
The team coming in third all received copies of the ‘Brian Keenan – Republican Legend’ book.
Declan Murphy told An Phoblacht: “Next year will be the fifth anniversary so we will make a big effort to make it a really fitting tribute.
“A big thanks to this year’s organisers, in particular Jane Martin, and we look forward to seeing more people next year.”
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Commemoration In Remembrance
Derry and Antrim remember Tommy Donaghy
Posted by aprn On September - 9 - 2011 ADD COMMENTS
SOUTH DERRY republican Tommy Donaghy was remembered on Sunday 21st August when hundreds of republicans from across Counties Derry and Antrim marched through Kilrea and along the Drumagarner Road to his graveside at St Mary’s Chapel. They were led by a colour party from the South Derry Martyrs Band.
Kilrea was a once-renowned bastion of staunch unionism and on the day of Tommy’s funeral, 18th August 1991, mourners were forced to run a gauntlet of physical and verbal abuse from the scores of RUC and British Army personnel who had swamped the area.
To see our national flag flying where Union Jacks would have flown in their dozens was clearly a source of pride for those from the area who joined in the parade but this wasn’t about triumphalism – it was about equality.
However, remembering Tommy Donaghy was the reason why we gathered in Kilrea and to recount the life of a republican activist who was cut down in his prime by pro-British death squads.
Tommy was shot dead by members of a loyalist gun gang on 16th August 1991.
He had just arrived at work in the Portna Fisheries on the shores of his beloved Lough Neagh when the killers struck.
As with many of those killed by loyalists, they had been under constant surveillance and suffered harassment at the hands of the Crown forces.
Inevitably, their security files ended up in the hands of the death squads.
According to Tommy’s nephew, Seán Ledwidge, Tommy discovered he was being spied on by a British Army undercover unit. Said Seán in his tribute:
“Tommy pulled back the bushes that the Brit was hiding in and asked him if he could see him okay! The startled Brit didn’t know what to do.”
Tommy had been interned in the 1970s and was among the last of the internees to be freed in 1975.
He reported back to the IRA and was arrested on active service in 1977.
When sentenced to 19 years’ imprisonment he joined his comrades on the Blanket and No-Wash Protest in the H-Blocks of Long Kesh. He was released 11 years later, in July 1988.
Immediately Tommy joined the John McGinn Sinn Féin Cumann in his local area and became a driving force in the political arena, taking a keen interest in issues relating to ongoing prison struggles.
Tommy was the thirteenth member of the party to be killed by British forces and their loyalist allies. Four were to die in 1991. Eddie Fullerton was shot dead in his home in Buncrana, County Donegal, in May.
Just four days prior to Tommy Donaghy’s killing, loyalist assassins shot dead Pádraig Ó Seanachain near Aghyaran, not far from Castlederg in County Tyrone.
On the morning of Pádraig’s killing, at 8.30am on Monday 12th August, the RUC were spotted near the ambush site.
Then, a month after Tommy was killed, on 16th September, Councillor Bernard O’Hagan was gunned down as he arrived for work at Magherafelt College.
In his address at Tommy Donaghy’s commemoration, Francie Molloy, the main speaker on the day, reminded the crowd of the political context of the campaign of assassination directed against republicans in particular and nationalists in general.
“In almost all of these cases, information on the victims had come from British Crown forces files.
“The killings could not be divorced from the campaign of vilification, censorship and misrepresentation of Sinn Féin or from the multi-faceted efforts by anti-republican elements to demonise Sinn Féin.”
These killings were taking place at a time when the foundation stones of the Peace Process were being laid and it is clear the British were attempting to terrorise republicans and weaken Sinn Féin. Clearly, their strategy has failed and failed miserably.0 -
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Happyman42 wrote: »While the deniers down South can play with peoples lives McG doesn't have that luxury and has some responsibility to the peace, wouldn't you think?
What has this got to do with him not suing people who say he's a murderer, or was involved in organising murders? Are you saying the Peas Process will collapse if he wins the case?
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Monty Burnz wrote: »What has this got to do with him not suing people who say he's a murderer, or was involved in organising murders? Are you saying the Peas Process will collapse if he wins the case?
Well, all you political hotshots think it through. McGuinness says he was in the IRA in the 80's;.....what comes next? Pressure to name places and trigger pullers. Off course that is gonna destabilise the peace process.
All armies need their thug element (spend a few weekends around discos in Athlone or any barracks town) there is no telling what would begin to happen. Even if he doesn't succumb to the pressure, the fact that he might will exert it's own pressure.
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No, he says he wasn't a member in the 80s, remember? I know, it's ridiculous.Happyman42 wrote: »Well, all you political hotshots think it through. McGuinness says he was in the IRA in the 80's;
Why would he name who pulled the trigger if he's proving he wasn't involved in any murders or organising murders? Surely he'd be insisting he couldn't give any names?Happyman42 wrote: ».....what comes next? Pressure to name places and trigger pullers. Off course that is gonna destabilise the peace process. 0 -
Monty Burnz wrote: »No, he says he wasn't a member in the 80s, remember? I know, it's ridiculous.
It was ...eh.....hypothetical.....you know when someone asks you to 'think it through'? :rolleyes:Monty Burnz wrote: »Why would he name who pulled the trigger if he's proving he wasn't involved in any murders or organising murders? Surely he'd be insisting he couldn't give any names?
That's what he's been saying. He wasn't involved and doesn't know.0 -
This IS NOT a Celtic v Rangers thread!
Please everybody can we keep this thread on topic? The subject is about the power and sway of the most widely circulated newspaper (the Irish Independent) in influencing the outcome of the election, by way of a political bias. BTW the Independent is fully entitled to take any side it wishes. It is not a state-run newspaper and has never been the "paper of record". And please...limit the inappropriate use of smiley faces.
You are very much mistaken:The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »:P Shinners always slagged the Irish Times and called it a Unionist Protestant paper based on it's history, now they are championing it.
The Irish Independent described the 1916 Easter Rising as "insane and criminal" and famously called for the shooting of its leaders.
I refer you to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Independent
This is the real Celtic v Rangers point-scoring that I truly despise.Monty Burnz wrote: »No, I think you'll find that's Queen Elizabeth 2. I can understand your confusion though...
The Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 granted Dublin an inclusive role, and the Good Friday agreement allows Northerners the freedom to claim Irish citizenship. As well you know, the role of head of state does not apply in the same way to NI as in England.
There's clearly a bias. This thread was not started so as to generate a debate as to whether there is or is not a bias, it was started to generate discussion about the influence exerted on the electorate by that bias.Wolfe Tone wrote: »It seems to me the British media, the Guardian and what not, are actually more balanced and fair when it comes to Martin.
Most people besides the ardent anti republicans, seem to acknowledge this bias in the media.
Would you mind staying on topic please?Have the Sindo said anything that is incorrect about the former terrorist?0 -
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