Orange Lodges in the South

losthorizon · 17-10-2011 6:45pm

86% of the population according to the 2006 census was Roman Catholic. The rest was mainly Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Methodist, Muslim and other Protestant religions. In the last few census(sp?) the percentage of catholics has been falling and the number of Protestants rising in the Republic. So in the results of the latest census published soon I would expect the same trend.

Having said that the vast majority of Protestants in the South feel nothing for the Orange Order I think except for some in the border areas possibly

losthorizon · 17-10-2011 8:37pm

http://www.cso.ie/census/census2006results/volume_13/tables-1-10.pdf

With regard to The Cork Orange Lodge I think I read years ago that it doesnt meet as there arent enough members.

ejmaztec · 17-10-2011 9:05pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Think the 26 counties is 5% or so Protestant, there is plenty of Churches for them.

I think that many of the CofI churches have met the same fate as the Listowel one.

http://stjohnstheatrelistowel.com/

Judgement Day · 17-10-2011 9:19pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think that many of the CofI churches have met the same fate as the Listowel one.

http://stjohnstheatrelistowel.com/

Extinction beckons but it will be a while yet. There are four churches in my local parish and only a handful of church attending parishioners. Christenings, Weddings, Funerals, the Harvest Thanksgiving and that's about it.

owenc · 17-10-2011 9:42pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I am not big into religon and the differences I am talking about are specifically in relation to the outlook of people. There is a big difference as I see it in the identity of the Presbyterians and free presbyterians. This includes their attitude to the orange order and is based on opinions I have been given first hand by people in the area.

Well i don't know any free presbyterians they are a rarity, but i'm pretty sure by the sounds of things they'd be quite bitter and staunch obviously.

owenc · 17-10-2011 9:43pm

losthorizon wrote: »

86% of the population according to the 2006 census was Roman Catholic. The rest was mainly Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Methodist, Muslim and other Protestant religions. In the last few census(sp?) the percentage of catholics has been falling and the number of Protestants rising in the Republic. So in the results of the latest census published soon I would expect the same trend.

Having said that the vast majority of Protestants in the South feel nothing for the Orange Order I think except for some in the border areas possibly

This will be interesting how fast are the protestant religions growing? I know from even reading on here recently alot of folk have been converting. When is the data released.? Still waiting on the ni one aswell, it'll also be interesting to see how the catholic birth rate is going.

owenc · 17-10-2011 9:44pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Think the 26 counties is 5% or so Protestant, there is plenty of Churches for them.

I wouldn't class 5% as plenty.

Chuck Stone · 17-10-2011 9:55pm

FinnLizzy wrote: »

And with the Love Ulster riots of 2006, it just shows that even the slightest openly loyal event can warrant a huge riot.

Slightest openly loyal event? How about deliberately provocative and blithely sectarian?

A love Ulster parade?

More like a 'love the type of people who would like to walk through every Nationalist estate in NI unimpeded' parade.

One of love Ulster's main organisers was Willie Fraizer who believed that loyalist murderers should not have been sent to prison in the first place and who also had a soft spot for that evil civilian murdering degenerate Billy Wright.

Love Ulster indeed.

owenc · 17-10-2011 10:01pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Slightest openly loyal event? How about deliberately provocative and blithely sectarian?

A love Ulster parade?

More like a 'love the type of people who would like to walk through every Nationalist estate in NI unimpeded' parade.

One of love Ulster's main organisers was Willie Fraizer who believed that loyalist murderers should not have been sent to prison in the first place and who also had a soft spot for that evil civilian murdering degenerate Billy Wright.

Love Ulster indeed.

Exactly i'm convince they deliberately go out to wind up catholics. My dad was in the police and thats what he reckons. For example, rasharkin, what reason have they got to go through there? None its obvious they are out to wind up. I can't wait to the days that that organisation no longer exists.

ejmaztec · 17-10-2011 10:02pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Extinction beckons but it will be a while yet. There are four churches in my local parish and only a handful of church attending parishioners. Christenings, Weddings, Funerals, the Harvest Thanksgiving and that's about it.

It won't be long before the RC churches become tourist information offices as well.:D

Chuck Stone · 17-10-2011 10:07pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

It won't be long before the RC churches become tourist information offices as well.:D

The more the better.

ejmaztec · 17-10-2011 10:16pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The more the better.

Things seem to be a lot less significant than they used to be. I wonder if the Orange Lodges in the North are dwindling along with everything else, or whether they're maintaining their numbers.

Chuck Stone · 17-10-2011 10:28pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

I wonder if the Orange Lodges in the North are dwindling along with everything else, or whether they're maintaining their numbers.

The Orange Order has blamed an increase in secularism for a sharp decline in its membership in Northern Ireland.

Grand Secretary Drew Nelson said its Christian ethos was one reason behind its membership falling from 76,500 in 1948 to about 35,700 currently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8126543.stm

I think increasing secularism will be good for young people in NI. Hopefully they'll grow up seeing that they're not all that different to each other.

owenc · 17-10-2011 10:32pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Things seem to be a lot less significant than they used to be. I wonder if the Orange Lodges in the North are dwindling along with everything else, or whether they're maintaining their numbers.

I don't know if the halls are declining but I know that the numbers are decreasing any wonder the bands aren't the same as 100 years ago when it wasn't sectarian

isthatit · 17-10-2011 10:45pm

whats the point in having a parade to commerate a 400 year old war victory if you cant go and rub the losers nose in it

Judgement Day · 17-10-2011 10:52pm

owenc wrote: »

I don't know if the halls are declining but I know that the numbers are decreasing any wonder the bands aren't the same as 100 years ago when it wasn't sectarian

The Orange Order wasn't sectarian a hundred years ago - that's a new one on me.

owenc · 17-10-2011 11:12pm

No it wasn't there wasn't any of them bonfires or riots either it was just like a scouts club to Catholics anyway it's not the same why do you think everyones leaving it

Judgement Day · 17-10-2011 11:36pm

owenc wrote: »

No it wasn't there wasn't any of them bonfires or riots either it was just like a scouts club to Catholics anyway it's not the same why do you think everyones leaving it

Protestant emigration from Northern Ireland, apathy towards the past, growth of the middle classes, better opportunities for young people of all communities...no links just thoughts and once again we're way off topic.

steddyeddy · 17-10-2011 11:50pm

owenc wrote: »

Lol are you foreal apparently only 25percent is protestant that's quite sad really there's nowhere for Protestants down south it seems

Owenc there isnt a place for protestents or catholics down south really. There isnt the culteral tension that existed in some parts of the north. There is plenty of anglican parishs down south aright.

Chuck Stone · 18-10-2011 12:48am

Yeah most of the time you don't have a bloody clue, or care, what religion people are down here because it's not really an issue.

I think the non-Catholic Christian population has been energised in more recent times though (in the cities anyway).

Fratton Fred · 18-10-2011 9:12am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yeah most of the time you don't have a bloody clue, or care, what religion people are down here because it's not really an issue.

I think the non-Catholic Christian population has been energised in more recent times though (in the cities anyway).

I would say that it is getting that way, but it isn't there quite yet. There are plenty of people who see being a non catholic as an issue.

My mother in law has now stopped pointing out protestants to me to make me feel better, but it did get quite embarrassing at times. I think a previous posting stating that there were plenty of Church for "Them" demonstrates that there is still a feeling with a lot if people that you have to be Catholic to be Irish.

Its a bit like Dara O'Briain says, "I'm not religious, I don't believe in god and I have no need for god in my life, but I think like a Catholic".

FinnLizzy · 18-10-2011 4:07pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Slightest openly loyal event? How about deliberately provocative and blithely sectarian?

A love Ulster parade?

More like a 'love the type of people who would like to walk through every Nationalist estate in NI unimpeded' parade.

One of love Ulster's main organisers was Willie Fraizer who believed that loyalist murderers should not have been sent to prison in the first place and who also had a soft spot for that evil civilian murdering degenerate Billy Wright.

Love Ulster indeed.

Provocative is what they do best, it's nothing new to the Orange Order. By slightest, I meant that the parade wasn't that big at all, in comparison to the riots.
Regardless of who was behind it, they had the right to do so. The rioters had no right to destroy property, belonging to their own countrymen.

Chuck Stone · 18-10-2011 5:35pm

FinnLizzy wrote: »

Regardless of who was behind it, they had the right to do so. The rioters had no right to destroy property, belonging to their own countrymen.

See Realpolitik.

Benny_Cake · 18-10-2011 5:40pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would say that it is getting that way, but it isn't there quite yet. There are plenty of people who see being a non catholic as an issue.

My mother in law has now stopped pointing out protestants to me to make me feel better, but it did get quite embarrassing at times. I think a previous posting stating that there were plenty of Church for "Them" demonstrates that there is still a feeling with a lot if people that you have to be Catholic to be Irish.

Its a bit like Dara O'Briain says, "I'm not religious, I don't believe in god and I have no need for god in my life, but I think like a Catholic".

It shows what a dominant force the Catholic Church has been in this country,both in terms of cultural influence and sheer numbers. Even when I hear people talk about "the Church", you know that there is really only one church they could be referring to!

steddyeddy · 18-10-2011 6:03pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It shows what a dominant force the Catholic Church has been in this country,both in terms of cultural influence and sheer numbers. Even when I hear people talk about "the Church", you know that there is really only one church they could be referring to!

Something went wrong along the way. The catholic church and the celtic catholic church with some more pagan traditions were in some ways a seperate church. Some of the strange designs on our early stone crosses could have been influenced by egyptian design irish priests on pilgrim brought back here.

The celts had some fine ideal to aspire to, divorce for women, more rights for women and probraly a lot less abuse!

owenc · 18-10-2011 6:46pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It shows what a dominant force the Catholic Church has been in this country,both in terms of cultural influence and sheer numbers. Even when I hear people talk about "the Church", you know that there is really only one church they could be referring to!

Well thankfully, their numbers are receding, and i'm not saying that to be a biogt i'm just sick of them controlling everything. Anyway, they would never have got to their levels if it weren't for ne temera.

steddyeddy · 18-10-2011 6:50pm

owenc wrote: »

Well thankfully, their numbers are receding, and i'm not saying that to be a biogt i'm just sick of them controlling everything. Anyway, they would never have got to their levels if it weren't for ne temera.

That ne temera is an absolute joke how dare the church tell people how to raise their children.

owenc · 18-10-2011 7:24pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

That ne temera is an absolute joke how dare the church tell people how to raise their children.

Exactly who the frig do they think they are! They know everyones leaving aswell so now they have decided that folk can't leave. :rolleyes: Thats quite sad of them to do, and its making them look like even more a fool and its giving the message out even more of how controlling they are. My mother is Catholic, and it seems that everything is beat into her from her family and their is no freethinking i wish she would leave that organisation, but no. :rolleyes: She can't see through it. I hope the next census shows dramatic changes.

Chuck Stone · 18-10-2011 7:59pm

owenc wrote: »

My mother is Catholic, and it seems that everything is beat into her from her family and their is no freethinking i wish she would leave that organisation, but no. She can't see through it.

If she's a NI Catholic your Mum's reluctance to leave wouldn't be so much about her love of the RCC as it would her affinity with her 'tribe' IYKWIM. She may also fear being ostracized by her RC friends and family which wouldn't be unusual.

It's a little more complicated up there.

steddyeddy · 18-10-2011 8:00pm

owenc wrote: »

Exactly who the frig do they think they are! They know everyones leaving aswell so now they have decided that folk can't leave. :rolleyes: Thats quite sad of them to do, and its making them look like even more a fool and its giving the message out even more of how controlling they are. My mother is Catholic, and it seems that everything is beat into her from her family and their is no freethinking i wish she would leave that organisation, but no. :rolleyes: She can't see through it. I hope the next census shows dramatic changes.

I hope so myself by the way my original post might of read as being sarcastic but no I think the church should be ashamed to try and dictate peoples basic human rights.

Orange Lodges in the South

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