RTE news on the Dale Farm travellers

Rhys Essien

In the report just on, the female reporter said "They are all Irish but most were born in Britain".

What the fcuk is she on about?

I thought it was the Sun newspaper that came out with statements like that.

maygitchell

Surely youve heard of an Irish Tinker?

hondasam

If England wanted them they would be English, don't worry about it OP we are used to it at this stage. They can come back to their home country we will welcome them.

orourkeda

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Rhys Essien

No,I was thinking if most of them were born in Britain and probably never set foot here,maybe they would be aaahm, BRITISH.

Spudmonkey

hondasam wrote: »

If England wanted them they would be English, don't worry about it OP we are used to it at this stage. They can come back to their home country we will welcome them.

No we won't.

hondasam

Spudmonkey wrote: »

No we won't.

Why not, we welcome everyone else.

mal1

Rhys Essien wrote: »

"They are all Irish but most were born in Britain".

Is that not the Irish Armenia match report you're reading?

fryup

alot of people born in the UK of irish parentage ..would consider themselves irish

such as these travellers

TheUsual

Rhys Essien wrote: »

No,I was thinking if most of them were born in Britain and probably never set foot here,maybe they would be aaahm, BRITISH.

A bit like out International Soccer Team.

TheUsual

mal1 wrote: »

Is that not the Irish Armenia match report you're reading?

Beat me to it quick-draw.

CAPSLOCK2

orourkeda wrote: »

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OOOH controversial

Mod Note: Re-reg Banned

losthorizon

Dale Farm - Isnt that an Icecream or a TV soap or something?

Spudmonkey

hondasam wrote: »

Spudmonkey wrote: »

No we won't.

Why not, we welcome everyone else.

They are being kicked out for a reason. The Dundon gang (travellers) in Limerick were kicked out of England and came back here. Look at the mess they have created here. If there are any of that sort in their midst I won't be welcoming them.

My name is URL

fryup wrote: »

alot of people born in the UK of irish parentage ..would consider themselves irish

such as these travellers

Well it's more than that really.. Irish Travelers are a legally recognised ethic group.

The reporter is wrong in saying that they are Irish of course. It's like saying that all African-Americans are African.

Dozen Wicked Words

Majority of Dale Farm Travellers have links with Limerick, Rathkeale is 80% owned by them and the locals left there dread when Dale farm go "home" on their summer holidays. Some nice buildings without planning there too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-14975103

ejmaztec

In before Dionysus.

Badgermonkey

ejmaztec wrote: »

In before Dionysus.

He's busy stalking Sir Anthony O'Reilly

hondasam

Spudmonkey wrote: »

They are being kicked out for a reason. The Dundon gang (travellers) in Limerick were kicked out of England and came back here. Look at the mess they have created here. If there are any of that sort in their midst I won't be welcoming them.

I don't think this is fair and we have plenty of people like that here all ready. not travellers. Irish people.
I don't think you can blame all Limerick's problems on the Dundon's alone.

Kevin Duffy

mal1 wrote: »

Is that not the Irish Armenia match report you're reading?

TheUsual wrote: »

A bit like out International Soccer Team.

Off the top of my head, of last night's starting team, Dunne, Given, Doyle, Duff, O'Dea, Whelan, Andrews and Kelly are all Irish born. 8/11. But don't let the facts stand in the way of a tired old joke, eh?

OT, gotta love how the media defines nationality to suit their agenda, with not a blink at their own hypocrasy.

ejmaztec

Badgermonkey wrote: »

He's busy stalking Sir Anthony O'Reilly

Around the British Isles?



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knird evol

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dlofnep

If I was born in England to Irish parents who's entire family lineage was Irish, I'd consider myself Irish.

Badgermonkey

While we're on the subject, Dale farm residents can't have it both ways.

They've sought to stay put by exhaustively appealing ruling after ruling and would most certainly have lauded the courts had they found in their favour.

Judgements not to their liking will be met with a 'screw you, just try and shift us' response.

It's that old chestnut - Demanding rights but abdicating responsibilities.

Rhys Essien

My name is URL wrote: »

Well it's more than that really.. Irish Travelers are a legally recognised ethic group.

The reporter is wrong in saying that they are Irish of course. It's like saying that all African-Americans are African.

+1.
And like refering to Roma gypsies as Romanians.

Immaculate Pasta

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

OT, gotta love how the media defines nationality to suit their agenda, with not a blink at their own hypocrasy.

Agreed.

It makes me laugh how much someone's nationality winds people up. Nationality is a personal thing, it's how one identifies themselves. People consider themselves a certain nationality based on where they were born, grew up/live, or ancestry.

I'll give you an example. I've got a lot of Irish Americans in my family and there's a big range over what they consider themselves to be.

1) I have a family member who is Irish born to Irish parents but moved over to America when she was in her teens. She considers her American and not Irish.
2) I have a cousin who was born in America to Irish parents who considers himself Irish not American. He argues that he has no American blood in him and spent lots of summers in Ireland as a child.
3) Vast majority consider themselves Irish and American. Some first generation and second generation only see themselves as American which I guess is inevitable but then some are very proud of their Irish roots and really take to Irish culture - learn Gaelic, play hurling and so forth in the States. A lot embrace Irish culture more than the Irish themselves.

None of them are wrong in stating what nationality they are. It's not really for someone else to criticise what nationality you consider yourself to be.

P.S. I'm not going to wait for some clever bollix to say I consider myself Vanuatuan or whatever (no offence to any Vanuatans on boards.ie by the way, I know you lot have a big community here), because no one does that.

IcedOut

Spudmonkey wrote: »

They are being kicked out for a reason. The Dundon gang (travellers) in Limerick were kicked out of England and came back here. Look at the mess they have created here. If there are any of that sort in their midst I won't be welcoming them.

Thats Limerick Cityy

cookies221

dlofnep wrote: »

If I was born in England to Irish parents who's entire family lineage was Irish, I'd consider myself Irish.

But we all come from Africa so you're not Irish. You're African. Isn't that what the left believe?

ejmaztec

cookies221 wrote: »

But we all come from Africa so you're not Irish. You're African. Isn't that what the left believe?

That's a bit daft, if I may say so.

IcedOut

cookies221 wrote: »

But we all come from Africa so you're not Irish. You're African. Isn't that what the left believe?

I'm not African

i'm Irish-American

Rawhead

I think the travellers are our revenge on the English for Cromwell.
800 years of oppression vs dole cheats, thievery and unplanned housing.
I actually think we have gone to far with the revenge and am feeling slightly sorry for the English.

cookies221

ejmaztec wrote: »

That's a bit daft, if I may say so.

Do you deny that modern humans originated in Africa? How do you define nationality? These travellers were born in the UK, are they therefore not British? The same way Gerry Adams aka the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, is British.

fran oconnor

Rawhead wrote: »

I think the travellers are our revenge on the English for Cromwell.
800 years of oppression vs dole cheats, thievery and unplanned housing.
I actually think we have gone to far with the revenge and am feeling slightly sorry for the English.

They can have a few more if they like, maybe they could take a few of them Romanian Gypsy's with them. Its bad enough we had our own without importing more..

mal1

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Off the top of my head, of last night's starting team, Dunne, Given, Doyle, Duff, O'Dea, Whelan, Andrews and Kelly are all Irish born. 8/11. But don't let the facts stand in the way of a tired old joke, eh?

OT, gotta love how the media defines nationality to suit their agenda, with not a blink at their own hypocrasy.

yeah, it's an old joke. And it's after hours and not the soccer forum

ejmaztec

cookies221 wrote: »

Do you deny that modern humans originated in Africa? How do you define nationality? These travellers were born in the UK, are they therefore not British? The same way Gerry Adams aka the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, is British.

You were trying pin the African origin belief on the left, which is complete nonsense.

I was born in England of Irish parents, and I'm Irish, with the voting rights and the pass-port to go with it. If you don't agree that someone in the same position as myself is Irish, I don't give a toss, as you're perfectly entitled to whatever opinion you may have.

pragmatic1

Nationality involves more than just being born in a certain country. Half my family were born in Britain. Try telling them they arent Irish.

Monty Burnz

fryup wrote: »

alot of people born in the UK of irish parentage ..would consider themselves irish

such as these travellers

But they aren't Irish - they are a different ethnic group AIUI.

fran oconnor

Lovely people are the travellers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drozvbGvJvU&feature=player_embedded#%21

fryup

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But they aren't Irish - they are a different ethnic group AIUI.

ah don't be fooling yourself, they are irish

we're only too quick to claim a talented footballer as irish (half irish soccer team)..its just because these people are travellers that we want to dissociate ourselves from them

Monty Burnz

fryup wrote: »

ah don't be fooling yourself, they are irish

It's not me saying it, it's the Traveller movement who are looking for recognition as an ethnic minority (entitling them to additional rights over us Irish schmucks).

fryup

but whether they are a different ethnic group or not

they're nationailty is irish

Monty Burnz

fryup wrote: »

but whether they are a different ethnic group or not

they're nationailty is irish

I don't understand how. If they are born and raised in Britain, their nationality is British as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps they are Irish-British, but I don't see how they are any more Irish than Irish-Americans.