adverts.ie bans larsen traps

kildare.17hmr

From icabs website

Classified ads company, Adverts.ie, has been thanked by ICABS for adding cruel Larsen traps to the list of items forbidden on its website.
The compassionate move came following an ICABS appeal in which we outlined how crows and magpies suffer a terrible fate in the traps.
Designed in Denmark in the 1950s, Larsen traps are now banned there as they are considered so inhumane. They use a permanently trapped bird to lure in other birds. They fly down on to the trap, fall through a collapsing platform and find themselves trapped too.
Overcome with the fear and stress of confinement, the creatures desperately jump against the bars of the cage in a futile attempt to escape. Some will suffer broken beaks and cut heads before being grabbed and strangled to death.
In our appeal to Adverts.ie, we highlighted that some birds die of starvation or thirst when traps are abandoned. We quoted a National Parks and Wildlife Service conservation ranger who reported that he "found many larsen traps with dead decoy birds which appeared to have died from starvation."
When magpie parents are caught in Larsen traps, their orphaned chicks will starve to death in nests.
The traps are also used to cruelly catch other creatures such as foxes.
Find out more about our Ban cruel Larsen traps campaign and get involved today. About Adverts.ie: Launched in 2006 by Boards.ie, Ireland's largest community website, www.Adverts.ie is a community based marketplace where individuals can buy or sell items online. It has facilitated the sale or purchase of thousands of items across every type of category imaginable.

Dupont

Overcome with the fear and stress of confinement, the creatures desperately jump against the bars of the cage in a futile attempt to escape. Some will suffer broken beaks and cut heads before being grabbed and strangled to death. The traps are also used to cruelly catch other creatures such as foxes.
When magpie parents are caught in Larsen traps, their orphaned chicks will starve to death in nests.


rubbish,what will they ban next

they jump at the cage trying to get into the call bird to kill it. we do all we can to dispatch them as quickly as possible. had a mink in mine that killed the call bird and ate his way out of the trap,a fox thinks he has got a free dinner.most traps are set before the breeding season so the adults are caught before they pair up and breed.magpies build their nest with roofs to stop other magpies raiding the nest of eggs and chicks which they do so to many songbirds and game birds.(seen a 3 wild clutches of pheasants in an area where i caught 30+ mags and a friend caught even more)

garv123

Dupont wrote: »

rubbish,what will they ban next

This use of this forum if some people had their way

jap gt

if boards.ie own adverts.ie why are the giving in to these fools.

Its about time sites like donedeal and adverts.ie grew some balls and told icabs where to go

kildare.17hmr

jap gt wrote: »

if boards.ie own adverts.ie why are the giving in to these fools.

Its about time sites like donedeal and adverts.ie grew some balls and told icabs where to go

I no yeah, if this section is allowed here you should be able to see a bleedin trap on adverts:rolleyes:

Fair enough when it comes to guns or other things that require a licence we have the for sale sectin here but seriously a feckin larsin trap

Cass

garv123 wrote: »

This use of this forum if some people had their way

Not bloody likely.;):cool:

jap gt wrote: »

if boards.ie own adverts.ie why are the giving in to these fools.

The way i understand it is Adverts.ie although created by Boards.ie is now a seperate "entity" and run by its own staff and set of rules.

homerhop

ah ya and anytime it is brought up that the hunting organisations should be counter acting them ya hear the same old story, sure ignore them lads arent they just one or two gob****es writing letters all the time.......

jhcossie

isnt this sort of thing discrimination against what is a hobby and sport.like if these traps werent there how would vermin population be controled and pheasants reared as the birds these traps catch damage eggs and take small pheasant chicks.people protect there hobby with these traps

timmy00

in all fairness, people shouldnt be allowed to trap or shoot magpies, grey crows, foxes ,rats,its very inhumane,we also shouldnt slaughter sheep, cows, pigs or chickens, we should eat grass and heather with the rest of the lunatics:D:D:D:D:D

doctor evil

Shame they have given into such a minority group that has such an obvious agenda.

Larsen traps are not the bogeyman even the RSPB are not against them

http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/m/magpie/legal_control_methods.aspx

It's just one more site I'm not going to use anymore so....

Dav

Somebody pointed me at this thread today, I have no idea what it's all about, but I'm going to see if I can ask one of the Adverts staff to come over here and give a comment on it.

Just so it's clear, as Ezridax said, Adverts now a seperate company to Boards and whilst we are both part of the Distilled Media Group, they do their thing and we do ours.

Leave it with me and I'll see what I can do.

Adverts.ie: Eddie

Thanks Dav,

This has nothing to do with adverts.ie taking a stance on any particular issue and we certainly don't take sides in these. For instance, we have never allowed animals to be traded on the site and this extends to fur products, taxidermy products and recently the larsen traps. We amend our list of forbidden items all the time and it is an ongoing process and this is simply an extension to an existing policy that has been in place for years. We make calls based on the direction WE want adverts to be taking and there is no agenda with the hunting fraternity or any other group with an interest in this. We get contacted by many many groups on adverts but our main interest is that of our members and in the case of the larsen traps, a lot of our members pointed out they weren't in line with our existing policy on animals on the site. As this was the first time these items appeared on the site, we decided to clarify the issue by adding them to our banned items list

Cass

Hello Eddie, and thank you for responding. I have a few questions that you may be able to clarify for the people of the hunting forum.

Why exactly were the Larsen traps banned? You say they "Did not fall in line with Adverts policy on animals. How so? It is not an animal product as you have described. They are not made from animal hide/fur. They are a device or tool much like a dog trailer, leash, etc.

Who exactly drew your attention to them? You say a number of your members reported them. On the shooting/hunting forum we have had numerous animal rights activists troll all our forums seeking to disrupt, insult, and abuse our members. Some are more serious than others, and when we took the stance of not allowing these people to abuse our members anymore they have used other methods to disrupt our 100% legal sport.

ICABS has used over dramatisation to make whatever item/activity they deem unsavoury even more harmful, inhumane, etc than it actually is. Other groups with similar principles are even more of a threat. Releasing "imprisoned" animals such as mink, etc which actually caused more damage to the environment by having a devastating effect on the native fauna.

You may not want to get into a debate on animal rights, etc however by removing Larsen traps because of reports by "your members" (of whom i have my suspicions) you have actually landed with both feet right into it.

We have our own for sale section here on the shooting forum for Firearms and hunting dogs simply because we know how emotive a subject hunting and shooting is. Also its easier to keep an eye on these items as some require licenses, etc. I'm not looking to start an argument and i do appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions, however by adding the traps to your banned item list you have indeed played directly into the hands of such groups as ICABS, and have actually "taken a side". They view this move by Adverts.ie as a statment of support and is even described as such on their website;

ICABS website wrote:

Classified ads company, Adverts.ie, has been thanked by ICABS for adding cruel Larsen traps to the list of items forbidden on its website

I appreciate that they may refer to an automated message, much like that which is issued by DoneDeal when an advert is reported, that would say "Thank you for reporting this item ................ ". However they take this innocent message and twist it to suit their agenda.


Ez.

Shoot2kill

I wonder how long its going to take for a response to that?

tallaghtmick

Shoot2kill wrote: »

I wonder how long its going to take for a response to that?

I wouldnt be too hard on Eddie,from what I remember using Adverts hes not always online,ive subscribed to this thread because its very interesting now.

Adverts.ie: Eddie

Ezridax wrote: »

Hello Eddie, and thank you for responding. I have a few questions that you may be able to clarify for the people of the hunting forum.

You're welcome and I'll try to answer the rest here now

Ezridax wrote: »

Why exactly were the Larsen traps banned? You say they "Did not fall in line with Adverts policy on animals. How so? It is not an animal product as you have described. They are not made from animal hide/fur. They are a device or tool much like a dog trailer, leash, etc.

We also don't allow guns which aren't an animal product. Any time we get an ad for a gun, we send the seller to boards. The same applies to knives, airsoft guns and most recently, beer kegs. Yes, beer kegs. There is a reason for that but I'm not going into that here, just pointing out that we have banned the sale of those as well to give this some perspective. All perfectly legal but we don't allow them. We are taking the site in a certain direction and there is a multitude of everyday items we don't allow. Regarding Larsen traps and any issues with those, that is a debate for various bodies whether that be the hunting community, ISPCA or any other body with an interest.

Ezridax wrote: »

Who exactly drew your attention to them? You say a number of your members reported them. On the shooting/hunting forum we have had numerous animal rights activists troll all our forums seeking to disrupt, insult, and abuse our members. Some are more serious than others, and when we took the stance of not allowing these people to abuse our members anymore they have used other methods to disrupt our 100% legal sport.

I can confirm that the reports on the traps were from longstanding adverts members and not people who signed up just to report these. All our reports are confidential and you will have to take my word on that. ICABS did contact us and we told them we wouldn't be allowing them. At no stage did we indicate any support for their various campaigns. Their email actually arrived after our members had reported the item and we had already agreed on a course of action as explained in my previous post here today.

Ezridax wrote: »

ICABS has used over dramatisation to make whatever item/activity they deem unsavoury even more harmful, inhumane, etc than it actually is. Other groups with similar principles are even more of a threat. Releasing "imprisoned" animals such as mink, etc which actually caused more damage to the environment by having a devastating effect on the native fauna.

You may not want to get into a debate on animal rights, etc however by removing Larsen traps because of reports by "your members" (of whom i have my suspicions) you have actually landed with both feet right into it.

Personally, as a Donegal man, I am very much aware of issues such as these, especially the mink that were released from a farm in Glenties some time back. I am also aware of the implications of that particular action but my job here is to deal with adverts.ie and what we want the site to become. We realise that the issues of animals, animal welfare and hunting etc are very emotive but our brief here is with adverts.ie and not with anything else.

Ezridax wrote: »

We have our own for sale section here on the shooting forum for Firearms and hunting dogs simply because we know how emotive a subject hunting and shooting is. Also its easier to keep an eye on these items as some require licenses, etc. I'm not looking to start an argument and i do appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions, however by adding the traps to your banned item list you have indeed played directly into the hands of such groups as ICABS, and have actually "taken a side". They view this move by Adverts.ie as a statment of support and is even described as such on their website;

I've read the statement on their website now and I will talk to my colleagues here in adverts and see if this is something we need to contact them about.

Ezridax wrote: »

I appreciate that they may refer to an automated message, much like that which is issued by DoneDeal when an advert is reported, that would say "Thank you for reporting this item ................ ". However they take this innocent message and twist it to suit their agenda. Ez.

We don't have automated responses to adverts support. Each report and email is given our full attention and dealt with in line with our rules. As stated previously, if an report refers to an item that is new to us, we then make a decision on how we deal with this and any recurrences of this in the future. In this instance, we agreed to ban Larsen traps.

Adverts.ie: Eddie

Shoot2kill wrote: »

I wonder how long its going to take for a response to that?

One and a half hours. Not bad eh?

tallaghtmick wrote: »

I wouldnt be too hard on Eddie,from what I remember using Adverts hes not always online,ive subscribed to this thread because its very interesting now.

Cheers.

Sparks

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

Regarding Larsen traps and any issues with those, that is a debate for various bodies whether that be the hunting community, ISPCA or any other body with an interest.

That's actually the nub of the problem Eddie - there's been no visible debate, not unless you sat down with the NARGC and ICABS in the one room before making your decision. From the external viewpoint we all have, it looks like ICABS made their usual complaint and you guys then banned the sale of something that nobody else seems to have an issue with.

That's not so much a debate as it is an end run, and by a group that we have come to recognise as basicly a fringe group with dodgy connections and good PR Hence the level of annoyance most people feel when they see that kind of thing.

4gun

Bear in mind there are a lot of people who wish to be rid of such pests as magpies and grey crows ect.that have no idea on how to do it with out asking somebody to shoot them for them, on which the pest in question usually make themselves scarce.
That of people in urban areas who have such a problem where it is forbidden to discharge a firearm...
when talking to the proprietor of my local gun shop he tod me the majority of such traps were bought by people living in the local town who did not have a firearm...
what do you tell your subscribers who have such a situation....to use poison???

how do you know that those who reported the ads were not pm'd by icabs to do so????
Paint a tearful picture of any animal in distress and you can sway any argument

Cass

Hey Eddie.

Thanks again for continuing to participate in this thread. Irrespective of the outcome its good that we can deal directly with the peopleinvolved, and i want to assure you this is not a witchhunt or some sort of Adverts.ie bashing session. However from previous selling sites initiating the same bans on similar items for no other reason than pressure from a fringe group you can hopfully see why there is concern among the shooting fraternity.

Eddie wrote:

We also don't allow guns which aren't an animal product. Any time we get an ad for a gun, we send the seller to boards. The same applies to knives, airsoft guns and most recently, beer kegs.

The guns and knives items i can understand. One requires licensing and there is no better source of information and help than on the shooting forum. Knives are also a "hot" topic, and need monitoring the likes of which can be given here. I realise why certain items could cause you problems such as beer kegs and without ounding like a dick the reasons are between you guys on Adverts and there is no need to explain those reasons here.

My point on the larsen traps was that it is an object used to trap pest/vermin and it is NON LETHAL. While i appreciate that you may or may not allow these items for various reasons my cause for concern and the reason for asking you these questions was for exacly the reason Sparks pointed out and you explained yourself. ICABS took your removal of the traps as a victory on their behalf because of their "campaign". You see how they use certain situations to their advantage and can claim how Adverts.ie support ICABS.

I am also aware of the implications of that particular action but my job here is to deal with adverts.ie

Appreciate that and again thank you for clarifying your position. All we had to go on was the report on the ICABS website. From reading it any "lay person" would see that ICABS made an appeal to Adverts.ie to remove the Larsen traps and shortly after they are removed. When the truth is as you say;

Their email actually arrived after our members had reported the item and we had already agreed on a course of action.........

I will say that i am still not "happy" with the removal of these traps from Adverts.ie or any other selling site, but as we can facilitate the sale of them here there is a "fall back factor" on the shooting forum.

I would appreciate it if you could keep us informed as to the outcome of any further correspondance if applicable to this topic.

Ez.

garv123

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

our main interest is that of our members

In doing so, you are losing members. Just like what happened on DoneDeal when they removed adds for dogs that had anything related to "working dogs" in the ads.

Example below.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's just one more site I'm not going to use anymore so....

highduck

In an effort to apply the "Larson Rule Fairly"maybe advert.ie should remove the below add also?(very cruel)
http://www.adverts.ie/other-home-garden/insect-killer-electric/806136
http://www.adverts.ie/other-home-garden/spider-catcher/640984
http://www.adverts.ie/machinery-tools/plug-in-pest-repeller/694907
http://www.adverts.ie/vinyl/the-daniel-o-donnell-4-track-ep/584068
http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/real-jewel-insect-keyring/821621
http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/real-jewel-insect-keyring/821602
http://www.adverts.ie/pet-accessories/electric-dog-fence-and-collar/794850
http://www.adverts.ie/pet-accessories/dog-electric-fence/801037
http://www.adverts.ie/pet-accessories/petsafe-wireless-fence/581495


??????????????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

pm.

highduck wrote: »

In an effort to apply the "Larson Rule Fairly"maybe advert.ie should remove the below add also?(very cruel)

http://www.adverts.ie/vinyl/the-daniel-o-donnell-4-track-ep/584068



??????????????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

LOL now that would hurt

stevoman

I just seen on the ICABS website that adverts.ie has banned the sale of larsen traps on the website after being bowed to pressure from the anti field sport brigade. This kinda bothers me tbh, same with done deal. I see how these people go around pushing their agenda's get listened so much.

I thought adverts was affiliated with boards.ie right? Just seems odd it will hold a forum for hunting on it that hosts pics and hunting advice etc but will distance itself from larsen trap adverts for a completly legal device.

I know its not my website so i cant say whats what but cant hekp feel a little dissapointed by this.

sincere113

Its an old thread Stevoman......I'm dissapointed as well.

ace86

I'm sorry to say that this banning may have come from my own county when a story was printed in the Kerryman were people came across larsen traps with birds that were burnt inside in them by certain individuals and they say they were torched to death. They were watching the traps and know the people and have asked them to stop but no names or any legal proceedings have been brought against to the best of my knowledge. It just shows a few certain individuals can ruin it for everyone as usual.

Sparks

stevoman wrote: »

I just seen on the ICABS website that adverts.ie has banned the sale of larsen traps on the website after being bowed to pressure from the anti field sport brigade.

That's what ICABS says. Adverts.ie says otherwise:

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

ICABS did contact us and we told them we wouldn't be allowing them. At no stage did we indicate any support for their various campaigns. Their email actually arrived after our members had reported the item and we had already agreed on a course of action

Grizzly 45

To diverse breifly..
Does anyone bar me find that ICABS pic of TWO foxes caught in a Larsen trap rather fake????The said foxes look rather well fed and healthy and too calm for wild foxes,which would be battering their way to get away from human approach.No reason for them to be there either,no feathers,gore or whatever from eaten captured birds.

Somthing bothers me here....[Getting into my Lt Columbo trench coat:p]
Isnt there a bloke in Co Kilkenny who has two pet foxes???Kilkenny has two well known antis in residence one in charge of CACS and FAF being the other,with good connections to ICABS...Larsen traps according to the antis are well known for catching foxes.....Foxes in pic look well fed and groomed.....
Circumstantial evidence..possibly..draw your own conclusion..

Sika98k

Not to the best of my knowledge. The use of a live callbird is banned all right.

The traps are baited with eggs,real or dummy or offal of some type.

Sika98k

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

To diverse breifly..
Does anyone bar me find that ICABS pic of TWO foxes caught in a Larsen trap rather fake????The said foxes look rather well fed and healthy and too calm for wild foxes,which would be battering their way to get away from human approach.No reason for them to be there either,no feathers,gore or whatever from eaten captured birds.

I have,over a few years,caught 4 foxes in Larsen traps.All of them sat quite quietly as The Grim Reaper,quote Dexter, approached.

Although I confess to releasing a young cub which I lifted out[with a good pair of leather gloves on JIC]. It sat in my hands perfectly calmly,outwardly anyway but left the area at full speed when I let it go.

homerhop

why hasnt Adverts.ie: Eddie replied to anything put to him by Erzidax or sparks, looks like his replys here were just a fob off to say the least.

The_Snapper

There is a simple solution to this.

Just stay away from adverts.ie. Go elsewhere.

I'm a deer hunter myself and won't support any organisation that knocks my pastime.

doyle61

The_Snapper wrote: »

There is a simple solution to this. Just stay away from adverts.ie. Go elsewhere.

I don't use adverts.ie myself but just an observation; done deal have stopped allowing adds for "working" dogs etc and lads said bicot them, now adverts.ie have stopped adds for Larson traps and your saying bicot them, and I'm sure others will make similar calls, but lads we're playing into the "anti's" hands by bicoting selling sites with the attitude of "I'll show them". We're a minority sport and it's not as if these selling sites makes a fortune off us so they saying fair enough advertise elsewhere. Lads we have to be smart here. An add was blocked on me by done deal and after my wife emailed and rang them with well constructed good arguments they backed down and apologised. The likes of ICAB use bullyboy tactics, we have to use our superior intellect to get our point across and win with reasoned debate, not run the opposite way and shout bicot bicot bicot. Just my two cent worth

Birdnuts

doyle61 wrote: »

I don't use adverts.ie myself but just an observation; done deal have stopped allowing adds for "working" dogs etc and lads said bicot them, now adverts.ie have stopped adds for Larson traps and your saying bicot them, and I'm sure others will make similar calls, but lads we're playing into the "anti's" hands by bicoting selling sites with the attitude of "I'll show them". We're a minority sport and it's not as if these selling sites makes a fortune off us so they saying fair enough advertise elsewhere. Lads we have to be smart here. An add was blocked on me by done deal and after my wife emailed and rang them with well constructed good arguments they backed down and apologised. The likes of ICAB use bullyboy tactics, we have to use our superior intellect to get our point across and win with reasoned debate, not run the opposite way and shout bicot bicot bicot. Just my two cent worth

Exactly - we can't allow a handfull of twits to dictate the agenda to the vast majority of lawfull hunters, farmers, conservationists etc.

Sparks

*cough*boycott*cough*
Just saying, you can't use phrases like "our superior intellect" and then misspell boycott, a word we invented, as bicot, which is french for "melon".

Yeah, I know, it's a small, petty point. But I haven't had my morning coffee today, so I'm in a small, petty mood.

Birdnuts

Sparks wrote: »

, so I'm in a small, petty mood.

But we just drew Estonia with the second leg at home:D;)

Sparks

Birdnuts wrote: »

But we just drew Estonia with the second leg at home:D;)

What range is that on, the midlands?

doyle61

Sparks wrote: »

*cough*boycott*cough*
Just saying, you can't use phrases like "our superior intellect" and then misspell boycott, a word we invented, as bicot, which is french for "melon".

Yeah, I know, it's a small, petty point. But I haven't had my morning coffee today, so I'm in a small, petty mood.

What can I say but bloody phone is a pain to use

The_Snapper

doyle61 wrote: »

and your saying bicot them, and I'm sure others will make similar calls, but lads we're playing into the "anti's" hands by bicoting selling sites with the attitude of "I'll show them".

And on the flip side, we are also taking our business, which includes our money, elsewhere and if we take enough business away from these companies then they may think twice about "playing into the anti's hands".

I'll be spreading the word to my fellow shooters. Negativity spreads faster than positivity in my book.

doctor evil

donedeal are hypocrits, there are loads of ads for horses who have hunted or will be good for hunting. They should buck up and tell icabs and the like where to go.

Adverts.ie: Eddie

Hi all, Sparks asked me to comment here regarding ICABS.

I will reiterate what I said earlier. At NO stage have we ever indicated to them that we support their objectives. We were definitely NOT pressured by them or any other group.

sincere113

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

At NO stage have we ever indicated to them that we support their objectives.

Eddie, purley by banning the sale of the traps has supported their objectives, and thus has given them an indication that you support their aims.

Cass

You're missing the point. It was not done on the say so of ICABS or any other animal rights groups. This is simply a case of ICABS jumping on the band wagon and claiming some sort of credit for this ban when infact the truth is they had less than nothing to do with it.

I have already said i do not support or agree with their decision to remove these items, however i accept fully their explanation as to the reasons why. I also fully believe, based on ICABS previous records, that Adverts.ie done this on their own and without any pressure from such groups. Time and agin groups such as ICABS have claimed resoponsibility for helping/causing such bans when they were not involved. Its simply a measure to give validation to their existence.

sincere113

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

Thanks Dav,

This has nothing to do with adverts.ie taking a stance on any particular issue and we certainly don't take sides in these. .....
We make calls based on the direction WE want adverts to be taking and there is no agenda with the hunting fraternity or any other group with an interest in this.

Simply by banning the advertisement of traps on their website has taken the anti stance. There is no legal obligation to remove such items for sale on their site.
The question here is a question of ethics. Adverts.ie have made it quite clear that they find such items unethical and offensive and so take an anti stance.
I do not know how they can ban such advertisements and not take a stance.

[QUOTE=Ezridax;74929748]You're missing the point. It was not done on the say so of ICABS or any other animal rights groups. This is simply a case of ICABS jumping on the band wagon and claiming some sort of credit for this ban when infact the truth is they had less than nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]


I understand perfectly clear. I did not state that it was done on the ICABS or any other parties say so, but just stating that by banning their advertisement on advert.ie you unfortunatley take a stance. And most of us here are pro-hunt and so their judgement isn't going to go down too well.

I totally agree however about ICABS jumping on the band wagon to justify their existance.

Adverts.ie: Eddie

sincere113 wrote: »

Simply by banning the advertisement of traps on their website has taken the anti stance. There is no legal obligation to remove such items for sale on their site.
The question here is a question of ethics. Adverts.ie have made it quite clear that they find such items unethical and offensive and so take an anti stance.
I do not know how they can ban such advertisements and not take a stance.
.

So by the same token, what "anti" stance did we take when we banned the sale of beer kegs on adverts? Or are they unethical and offensive as well?

sincere113

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

So by the same token, what "anti" stance did we take when we banned the sale of beer kegs on adverts? Or are they unethical and offensive as well?

With all due respect you don't sell anything but rather advertise items, right? But rather than getting pedantic, I don't think anti hunting/banning the advertisement of traps has anything to do with beer kegs.

Please give us a definitive reason why trap advertisements are banned, rather than "our main interest is that of our members."

I have no reason why you banned the advertising of beer kegs, and since you earlier omitted to give those details I can only guess.

William Powell

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

So by the same token, what "anti" stance did we take when we banned the sale of beer kegs on adverts? Or are they unethical and offensive as well?

Because they belong to the brewery :rolleyes: so can't be sold legally, even scrap yards won't take them.

What has that got to do with an item that is otherwise legal to own and use?

Adverts.ie: Eddie

sincere113 wrote: »

Please give us a definitive reason why trap advertisements are banned, rather than "our main interest is that of our members."

It's all there from previous posts...

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

Thanks Dav,

This has nothing to do with adverts.ie taking a stance on any particular issue and we certainly don't take sides in these. For instance, we have never allowed animals to be traded on the site and this extends to fur products, taxidermy products and recently the larsen traps. We amend our list of forbidden items all the time and it is an ongoing process and this is simply an extension to an existing policy that has been in place for years. We make calls based on the direction WE want adverts to be taking and there is no agenda with the hunting fraternity or any other group with an interest in this. We get contacted by many many groups on adverts but our main interest is that of our members and in the case of the larsen traps, a lot of our members pointed out they weren't in line with our existing policy on animals on the site. As this was the first time these items appeared on the site, we decided to clarify the issue by adding them to our banned items list

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

You're welcome and I'll try to answer the rest here now


We also don't allow guns which aren't an animal product. Any time we get an ad for a gun, we send the seller to boards. The same applies to knives, airsoft guns and most recently, beer kegs. Yes, beer kegs. There is a reason for that but I'm not going into that here, just pointing out that we have banned the sale of those as well to give this some perspective. All perfectly legal but we don't allow them. We are taking the site in a certain direction and there is a multitude of everyday items we don't allow. Regarding Larsen traps and any issues with those, that is a debate for various bodies whether that be the hunting community, ISPCA or any other body with an interest.



I can confirm that the reports on the traps were from longstanding adverts members and not people who signed up just to report these. All our reports are confidential and you will have to take my word on that. ICABS did contact us and we told them we wouldn't be allowing them. At no stage did we indicate any support for their various campaigns. Their email actually arrived after our members had reported the item and we had already agreed on a course of action as explained in my previous post here today.


Personally, as a Donegal man, I am very much aware of issues such as these, especially the mink that were released from a farm in Glenties some time back. I am also aware of the implications of that particular action but my job here is to deal with adverts.ie and what we want the site to become. We realise that the issues of animals, animal welfare and hunting etc are very emotive but our brief here is with adverts.ie and not with anything else.



I've read the statement on their website now and I will talk to my colleagues here in adverts and see if this is something we need to contact them about.


We don't have automated responses to adverts support. Each report and email is given our full attention and dealt with in line with our rules. As stated previously, if an report refers to an item that is new to us, we then make a decision on how we deal with this and any recurrences of this in the future. In this instance, we agreed to ban Larsen traps.

Look guys, we could end up going round in circles here but the fact remains that we have banned the sale of Larsen traps on adverts and that won't be changing.

Cass

sincere113 wrote: »

Simply by banning the advertisement of traps on their website has taken the anti stance....................... but just stating that by banning their advertisement on advert.ie you unfortunatley take a stance. .

A stance was taken, but its our perception of that stance that matters. We see it as anti-hunting, but the lads and ladies in Adverts see it as a policy stance with no bias towards hunting or against.

All the other anti groups can claim accreditation if they are so fickle, but as i see it that is of no concern to Adverts.ie.

I'm not trying to explain the issue away merely trying to see it from the Adverts.ie point of view.

Adverts.ie: Eddie wrote: »

Look guys, we could end up going round in circles here but the fact remains that we have banned the sale of Larsen traps on adverts and that won't be changing.

To be honest i can't see any resolution to this with both sides holding strong on their points of view. So to that end i'm going to close the thread as anything else after this is simply re-hashing the same arguments.