Gunshots fired in Dooradoyle/Raheen

bullets

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-arrest-four-after-limerick-shooting-incident-523981.html

Pikasso

Link broken. Try this:
http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-arrest-two-in-limerick-shooting-incident-523985.html

bullets

Pikasso wrote: »

Link broken. Try this:
http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-arrest-two-in-limerick-shooting-incident-523985.html

They removed the original story.
In the original text it stated 4 people were arrested. 2 males and 2 females.

~B

Mc Love

I was heading towards Ballyclough around 4 and was met with an unmarked squad car with the sirens on headin towards the crescent.

Absolutely crazy

The Snipe

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1011/dooradoyle.html

Gardaí in an unmarked patrol car fired a number of shots in an incident in Limerick city this evening after a suspect car with four occupants, two men and two women, failed to stop.

The incident happened in the Dooradoyle area at around 5pm.

Detectives in two unmarked cars made a number of attempts to stop the suspect vehicle, which then rammed both garda cars, as it was cornered in a cul-de-sac.

A number of shots were fired by Gardai in an attempt to stop the vehicle.

The two male occupants of the suspect vehicle were then arrested by gardaí.

One garda was treated in Limerick Regional Hospital for an injury sustained as a result of his vehicle being rammed.

A senior Inspector from Cork is to carry out an investigation into the events surrounding the incident and the Garda Ombudsman has also been informed.

Mc Love

Anyone know if it was the estate that had a shooting there not so long ago? Seeing as it was a cul-de-sac on the Dooradoyle Road? (and yes I know there are other estates on said road)

the_blackstuff

it was on the news section of 95fm I think that it happened near a local soccer pitch down a cul de sac after a chase along dooradoyle road. Think that would puts it up by Collins. Can't remember who plays up there. The road is a dead end. Sorry can't link it but try their site

Insect Overlord

That would be Regional United's soccer pitch.

the_blackstuff

Yes that's it. I'm assuming that's where they went. Seems like a fairly stupid place to go. It ends right on the edge of the motorway.

I wonder what it was all about? Guess we may wait for news reports in the morning

Simon Adebisi

Hmmm, i wonder was it dickhead dealer from Kilteragh who an innocent bloke died over?

zuroph

Great to see the gardaí using their firepower, might start to put the ****s up these pr1cks.

skyguy19

a couple of sex offenders,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1012/1224305641862.html

Iang87

not sure the reason this happened but well done guards. Only a pity ye didnt hit one of them and send a good message

bigpink

skyguy19 wrote: »

a couple of sex offenders,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1012/1224305641862.html

Are these the Cratloe rape lads?

Kess73

One has been released already. :rolleyes:

source

Kess73 wrote: »

One has been released already. :rolleyes:

Yeah released for a file to be sent to the DPP to get permission to charge him.

Kess73

source wrote: »

Yeah released for a file to be sent to the DPP to get permission to charge him.

Yeah because being caught red handed as one of the people in a car that drove in a very dangerous manner along Childers Road, Ballinacurra road, and through Dooradoyle whilst refusing to stop for the Gardai, and that then proceeded to ram two Garda cars and leave one Garda needing to be checked in hospital is not enough to start with.

Plus if it is who it is rumoured to be, and I won't mention the name here until it turns up in a media release of some sort, then it is an individual that is currently out and awaiting a trial date for another recent crime.

All having him out does is give him more time to rack up a few more crimes, maybe he can get another rape to his name, ( he is confirmed as a convicted rapist in the Irish Times), whilst awaiting trial.

Guess he is lucky that he did not fall behind on a mortgage repayment or not allow the ESB onto his land, otherwise the legal system would deem him worthy of being locked up.

krudler

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah because being caught red handed as one of the people in a car that drove in a very dangerous manner along Childers Road, Ballinacurra road, and through Dooradoyle whilst refusing to stop for the Gardai, and that then proceeded to ram two Garda cars and leave one Garda needing to be checked in hospital is not enough to start with.

Plus if it is who it is rumoured to be, and I won't mention the name here until it turns up in a media release of some sort, then it is an individual that is currently out and awaiting a trial date for another recent crime.

All having him out does is give him more time to rack up a few more crimes, maybe he can get another rape to his name, ( he is confirmed as a convicted rapist in the Irish Times), whilst awaiting trial.

Guess he is lucky that he did not fall behind on a mortgage repayment or not allow the ESB onto his land, otherwise the legal system would deem him worthy of being locked up.

I hear the dpp is preparing a wiretap and 24hr surveillance to find out if he has an up to date tv licence, if not then they swoop in a military precision strike. we wait and hope.

munstergirl

Isn't limerick prison full, 60+ inmates on day release every day.

Gardai catch criminal, go before court with 80+ convictions, and they get community service or slap on wrist.

We had 2 murders in limerick in past few weeks, and last year commited by criminals with long history out on bail for other crimes.

Its just turning into joke. But its not funny.

Itsdacraic

munstergirl wrote: »

Isn't limerick prison full, 60+ inmates on day release every day.

Gardai catch criminal, go before court with 80+ convictions, and they get community service or slap on wrist.

We had 2 murders in limerick in past few weeks, and last year commited by criminals with long history out on bail for other crimes.

Its just turning into joke. But its not funny.

It's a well known tactic now by travellers to refuse to pay fines handed down by the courts, they just keep refusing to pay them, the judge eventually gives them an ultimatum: pay the fine or a week in jail.
Traveller says he'll do the week in jail, turns up at Limerick jail, is processed, told the jail is full and released on the same day.

FutureGuy

Itsdacraic wrote: »

It's a well known tactic now by travellers to refuse to pay fines handed down by the courts, they just keep refusing to pay them, the judge eventually gives them an ultimatum: pay the fine or a week in jail.
Traveller says he'll do the week in jail, turns up at Limerick jail, is processed, told the jail is full and released on the same day.

Laughable system.

Builderfromhell

Itsdacraic wrote: »

It's a well known tactic now by travellers to refuse to pay fines handed down by the courts, they just keep refusing to pay them, the judge eventually gives them an ultimatum: pay the fine or a week in jail.
Traveller says he'll do the week in jail, turns up at Limerick jail, is processed, told the jail is full and released on the same day.

With respect, not only travellers adopt this policy. Many people have wised up to the fact that a threat of jail is meaningless as you will be in and out in a few hours.

Itsdacraic

Builderfromhell wrote: »

With respect, not only travellers adopt this policy. Many people have wised up to the fact that a threat of jail is meaningless as you will be in and out in a few hours.

Fair enough, I only said travellers because it was a traveller who told me about him doing it himself.

tipptom

Itsdacraic wrote: »

It's a well known tactic now by travellers to refuse to pay fines handed down by the courts, they just keep refusing to pay them, the judge eventually gives them an ultimatum: pay the fine or a week in jail.
Traveller says he'll do the week in jail, turns up at Limerick jail, is processed, told the jail is full and released on the same day.

Do they still owe the money when they are released or is this written of.

Twin-go

tipptom wrote: »

Do they still owe the money when they are released or is this written of.

I think it depends - if its a fine for a crime or driving offence etc its written off.

If its for a TV lience, interpol will be on your tail and you'll be added to FBIs 10 most wanted list.

bazz26

tipptom wrote: »

Do they still owe the money when they are released or is this written of.

I'd doubt it, they cannot afford to pay because they don't have a job. Maybe they could take one of their new vans off them as down payment but then again that would not be PC and infringing on their culture.

Itsdacraic

tipptom wrote: »

Do they still owe the money when they are released or is this written of.

They are given the option of paying the fine OR jail.
If they take jail, then the fine is gone.

source

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah because being caught red handed as one of the people in a car that drove in a very dangerous manner along Childers Road, Ballinacurra road, and through Dooradoyle whilst refusing to stop for the Gardai, and that then proceeded to ram two Garda cars and leave one Garda needing to be checked in hospital is not enough to start with.

Plus if it is who it is rumoured to be, and I won't mention the name here until it turns up in a media release of some sort, then it is an individual that is currently out and awaiting a trial date for another recent crime.

All having him out does is give him more time to rack up a few more crimes, maybe he can get another rape to his name, ( he is confirmed as a convicted rapist in the Irish Times), whilst awaiting trial.

Guess he is lucky that he did not fall behind on a mortgage repayment or not allow the ESB onto his land, otherwise the legal system would deem him worthy of being locked up.

If they could have charged him they would have, I would imagine the person they charged was charged with being the driver, failing to stop, criminal damage, dangerous driving, assault etc etc etc, which is all pretty clear cut. The passenger is a different situation as it is the driver who is doing the damage as it were. The passenger will have a file forwarded to the DPP's office for their opinion and that will result in charges.

You're speculating as to who is in the car, you don't know it as a fact, the Gardai who did the arresting know exactly who it is and will know a lot more about his conditions (bail or otherwise) than you will. So lets jump off the high horse and look at things objectively, instead of running head long into commenting on a situation that you don't know a whole load about, apart from idle gossip.

skyguy19

bigpink wrote: »

Are these the Cratloe rape lads?

1 of them is the cratloe rape Lads and the other lad in the car is a friend he made in prison

Melion

I seen the Cratloe rapist in the Social Welfare office at 3.30 yesterday afternoon, he was drinking a can of Royal Dutch. He left just in front of me, got into a car with 4 other fine upstanding members of society, the driver did a pure daycent wheel spin and nearly knocked someone over before speeding away towards Tait Square. I presume they went from there straight out to cause the trouble mentioned in the link as that was less than an hour later.

Its a fúcking joke that people like this are handed tax payers money every week for going out getting drunk, raping people, assaulting innocent bystanders. Why the fúck are they allowed to collect the dole every week like everyone else? Surely that should be the first thing taken off them.

Faing

Life is like a video game to some of them, they take the pi55 out of the whole judicial system. The gardai are let down by the courts and the pc/human rights brigade every time. They spend millions of euro every year investigating crime only to be let down by the courts.But there is a silver lining to every dark cloud, the legal aid funded solicitors are making a fortune out of it all.
Prison, in its present form, is no deterrent. It should be a place/experience that noone would want to experience twice. We all despair of the system that runs on an implicit "Ability to pay" scheme fining honest(ish) people that just happen to fall foul of motoring laws/tv licensing etc and then goes on to provide top class defence for the ones that make crime a career. Stop the legal aid, stop pussyfooting around the pc/human rights brigade and get some law and order into our country. Feck the legal aid lawyers right out of it when it comes to finding legal loopholes to keep the scum out of prison and on the streets.

Melion

The free legal aid for people like this needs to stop. I was talking to a solicitor last week (regarding a medical negligence case) and some of the things he told me about them would really leave you speechless.

krudler

Melion wrote: »

I seen the Cratloe rapist in the Social Welfare office at 3.30 yesterday afternoon, he was drinking a can of Royal Dutch. He left just in front of me, got into a car with 4 other fine upstanding members of society, the driver did a pure daycent wheel spin and nearly knocked someone over before speeding away towards Tait Square. I presume they went from there straight out to cause the trouble mentioned in the link as that was less than an hour later.

Its a fúcking joke that people like this are handed tax payers money every week for going out getting drunk, raping people, assaulting innocent bystanders. Why the fúck are they allowed to collect the dole every week like everyone else? Surely that should be the first thing taken off them.

said it a million times, this town needs Batman

Faing

Can't really go into detail because of my job but I daily see the amount of money given to these leeches and, lads, it would blow your mind how much is given over to them (on our behalf).If Joe Public were to realise whay crime and legal matters out of our control cost the taxpayer there would be ructions. Jeez, most of our dealings are with solicitors in Dublin to which our clients are paid travel allowance to go and see on a regular basis. Can't get a suitable appointment time? No problem, the system will pay for your overnight accomodation and subsistence while you are away from Limerick to see your Dublin based caseworker. Maybe its the cheapest option though because for one of them to travel to LK to see a client costs a King's ransome. Makes all of us at work really angry:mad: that we can't object to it all and expose it due to legal constraints.

krudler

Faing wrote: »

Can't really go into detail because of my job but I daily see the amount of money given to these leeches and, lads, it would blow your mind how much is given over to them (on our behalf).If Joe Public were to realise whay crime and legal matters out of our control cost the taxpayer there would be ructions. Jeez, most of our dealings are with solicitors in Dublin to which our clients are paid travel allowance to go and see on a regular basis. Can't get a suitable appointment time? No problem, the system will pay for your overnight accomodation and subsistence while you are away from Limerick to see your Dublin based caseworker. Maybe its the cheapest option though because for one of them to travel to LK to see a client costs a King's ransome. Makes all of us at work really angry:mad: that we can't object to it all and expose it due to legal constraints.

give it to the papers? let journalists dig into it

Faing

Give it to the papers? No point mate because they are all working WITHIN the law. Its the system thats at fault. Its a moral thing and the country, when it comes to looking after the wealthy, has no morals. Morals are for honest people......... The wealthy of our great country make a decent living out of the scum and will protect that ability to print money.

zuroph

aim for the head, double tap, no dpp needed.

Faing

zuroph wrote: »

aim for the head, double tap, no dpp needed.

Haha, the 50 cent solution............

Melion

Id love it to happen just once.

I was at a funeral the other day and one of the women who was mourning for her father had her house broken in to while she was out for the mass etc. She is a well known business woman with a well established shop on William St so was probably known to the little scummy fúckers who did it. The city is a joke and it will take something serious like a Guard being murdered before it will ever change. Ive said that before and i stand by it.

Faing

Melion wrote: »

Id love it to happen just once.

So would a thousand ambulance chasing solicitors, they'd be rubbing their hands and booking the holiday in the Bahamas and ordering the new Porsche on the strength of the work it would generate for them..............

munstergirl

Normal every day people are being effected by criminals every day, not just in limerick.

Think they would have to kill someone in power like mayor, president, politician before something is done.

They attack gardai, firemen nothing is done.

zuroph

Faing wrote: »

So would a thousand ambulance chasing solicitors, they'd be rubbing their hands and booking the holiday in the Bahamas and ordering the new Porsche on the strength of the work it would generate for them..............

dead people can't sue. their family can try, wouldnt get very far, and if it did, it'd prob cost less than they're currently costing us.

bernardo mac

This country's in a state of chassis.Decent citizens are under siege economically,many live in daily danger of being assaulted robbed or worse while conviction loaded scumbags and their legal advisers thrive materially.Damned lunacy.Open up the Curragh for these parasitic" terrorists " who have proved to be beyond rehabilitation

Clareman

Folks,

I know this is a very emotive discussion and there is no condoning the behaviour of some members of the public, but I would like everyone to remember that this is a public forum where everyone can read and libel laws in this country can be "interesting", please don't post anything on here that you wouldn't print in an international newspaper (with your "real world" name attached to it).

Thanks

Melion

Clareman wrote: »

Folks,

I know this is a very emotive discussion and there is no condoning the behaviour of some members of the public, but I would like everyone to remember that this is a public forum where everyone can read and libel laws in this country can be "interesting", please don't post anything on here that you wouldn't print in an international newspaper (with your "real world" name attached to it).

Thanks

If i use my real name can i say everything i would like to say? Having an uncle being abused as he tries to go about his job saving lives as a fireman in Limerick is the start of it for me.

Clareman

Melion wrote: »

If i use my real name can i say everything i would like to say? Having an uncle being abused as he tries to go about his job saving lives as a fireman in Limerick is the start of it for me.

I should have known that would happen

Personally, 1 of the reasons I really enjoy the internet is you have a choice between being anonymous or use your real identity, personally I like to keep anonymous on most forums.

I have no problem with people discussing whatever they want, while stating facts (quoting reputable sources) or without naming people directly in un-substantiated posts, it's when we infringe on other peoples rights to anonymity (or other legal rights that I don't know about) it's when we get to the stage that posts have to be moderated, I much prefer it when we can have a proper discussion without having to edit anything.

jonski

Faing wrote: »

Haha, the 50 cent solution............

Feck it , if it's only 50 cent I'll throw in €2 and get a few done .

Kess73

source wrote: »

If they could have charged him they would have, I would imagine the person they charged was charged with being the driver, failing to stop, criminal damage, dangerous driving, assault etc etc etc, which is all pretty clear cut. The passenger is a different situation as it is the driver who is doing the damage as it were. The passenger will have a file forwarded to the DPP's office for their opinion and that will result in charges.

You're speculating as to who is in the car, you don't know it as a fact, the Gardai who did the arresting know exactly who it is and will know a lot more about his conditions (bail or otherwise) than you will. So lets jump off the high horse and look at things objectively, instead of running head long into commenting on a situation that you don't know a whole load about, apart from idle gossip.

The guy that was charged had been wanted for another crime and was arrested and charged for that other crime. That was stated on the Irish Times website this morning.

As for the other guy that I am "speculating on", had his past crime brought up in the press and has since been named as one of the rapists.

But you are right, we should be objective, I am sure they were just law abiding citizens in that car who did nothing wrong, after all the legal system in this country has a sterling track record so there is no way someone who committed a crime could be back on the street within hours of the crime.

Clareman

Blackstone's Formulation is usually quoted at this stage, but it can be difficult to stomach it sometimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

Simon Adebisi

jonski wrote: »

Feck it , if it's only 50 cent I'll throw in €2 and get a few done .

What about the other 50c?

Faing

Simon Adebisi wrote: »

What about the other 50c?

That 50c could go to a reputable charity, the more scum you do the more charities benefit. Simples innit!