Food: Bad & Good

theholyghost

Hi,

I am very interested by the Danish fat thread on this forum as I've become a bit obsessed with fat as I try to eat more healthily. It is one of those topics though where you read one view on what's good or bad and then a totally opposing view and you never know which is correct.

I also looked at those clips from Fathead (must get the whole movie) and got even more confused.

Anyway, these are some points I've drawn from the discussion and the clips and I was wondering if you would consider these as accurate?

1. Avoid processed food, it's all bad for you!

2. Sugar is particularly bad for you and causes people to become fat.

3. Wheat is bad for you - avoid bread and breakfast cereal, it gives you a belly?

4. Vegtable oil is bad? Olive ok?

5. Relatively speaking eating fresh eggs/bacon isn't so fattening and is probably better for you than bread and cereal?

For the record I'm not remotely overweight myself but very interesting in healthy eating. I'd love to hear some of your views.

Thanks for reading!

boomtown84

theholyghost wrote: »

Hi,


Anyway, these are some points I've drawn from the discussion and the clips and I was wondering if you would consider these as accurate?

1. Avoid processed food, it's all bad for you!

2. Sugar is particularly bad for you and causes people to become fat.

3. Wheat is bad for you - avoid bread and breakfast cereal, it gives you a belly?

4. Vegtable oil is bad? Olive ok?

5. Relatively speaking eating fresh eggs/bacon isn't so fattening and is probably better for you than bread and cereal?

For the record I'm not remotely overweight myself but very interesting in healthy eating. I'd love to hear some of your views.

Thanks for reading!

Father,

No food is really bad for you except maybe hydrogenated fats. it's too much sugar/processed food etc. which is going to cause problems.

No food is particularly "fattening" (hate that word...my mother uses it all the time)....but fast/processed foods contain lots of calories packed into relatively small sized meals so it's easy to over consume. The bacon and eggs is fine but if you are eating carbs you'll need to keep an eye on the amount of fat you eat. you either go moderate fat and moderate carbs or high fat and low carbs. high fat with high or even moderate carbs and you gon' be chubbeh!.....even if the fats are "good" fats like milk,eggs,nuts etc because they contain the same amount of calories as the "bad" fats like the crap oils used in the processed foods.
you can go 'low fat' too but this is not recommended because it messes with your hormones and foods in supermarkets labelled 'low fat' are usually sheeite.

Wheat is not necessarily bad for you unless you have problems digesting gluten.(which causes bloating-not extra belly fat)
veg oil....yeah,not the best and olive is better but a small bit for frying an egg every now and then is not going to do the slightest damage.

one piece of advice would be not to follow any dieting fads.
try and eat less packaged pre-cooked food.prepare your own as much as possible and buy local if you can.

Amen

ImGettinPaper

ugh.

Transform

theholyghost wrote: »

Hi,

I am very interested by the Danish fat thread on this forum as I've become a bit obsessed with fat as I try to eat more healthily. It is one of those topics though where you read one view on what's good or bad and then a totally opposing view and you never know which is correct.

I also looked at those clips from Fathead (must get the whole movie) and got even more confused.

Anyway, these are some points I've drawn from the discussion and the clips and I was wondering if you would consider these as accurate?

1. Avoid processed food, it's all bad for you!


2. Sugar is particularly bad for you and causes people to become fat.


3. Wheat is bad for you - avoid bread and breakfast cereal, it gives you a belly?


4. Vegtable oil is bad? Olive ok?


5. Relatively speaking eating fresh eggs/bacon isn't so fattening and is probably better for you than bread and cereal?


For the record I'm not remotely overweight myself but very interesting in healthy eating. I'd love to hear some of your views.

Hope that helps

Thanks for reading!

1. Ans - yes pretty much but just have some when you feel like it (way less if you are serious about being healthy) and get right back on the waggon.


2. Ans - yes it will shove insulin levels up but again a little is grand and after workouts not so bad as you will need some. Just stay off the soft drinks and eating sugar laden foods and you are grand. A spoon of sugar in your tea = grand, kellogs frosties everyday for breakfast = stop acting like a 6yr old and go eat some proper food.

3. Ans - yes a whole barrel of problems (amylopectin, gliadin, leptin, lectins etc) so avoid as much as possible. I have as of yet to work with anyone that worked well on lots of bread/wheat in their diet

4. Ans - veg oil pushes omega 6 levels up (inflammatory) as does olive oil as thats mainly omega 6 also so some is good but limiting veg oil intake (mainly in junk foods) eating more fish and maybe taking a fish oil supplement would be best.

5. Ans - still fattening when you eat too much for you but it just depends on what you function well on. Do you eat some eggs and bacon and feel good and dont need to eat for a few hours or do you feel and function better on a giant coffee a muffin and a chocolate bar? i think most people would work better on the former but hey try both and see how tired, alert, hungry etc you are after all meals and snacks. Get your endocrine system working best for you.

Theresalwaysone

Just on the whole Wheat thing:

My current diet consists of no wheat or its kind. Nuts, Veg and Meat with the odd bit of milk/cheese/butter/other dairy thrown in for shakes, stir frys, salads and the like.

I have found that, through not eating wheat I don't get that full bloated feeling, I NEVER get the 3pm slump and I am rarely lethargic.

I found that when I had a bap about two weeks ago for lunch, as I left mine at home, I felt quite different to how I was used to feeling. Felt sleepy at my desk and felt a lot more bloated. I try to avoid it as much as possible and would urge everyone to try it for a little while.

As an aside, I also get similar feelings when I drink Milk, not as tired but definitely as bloated. I generally drink a milk protein shake and hour and a half before training and for the first half hour-hour I feel a little less ok, again bloated.

Transform

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Just on the whole Wheat thing:

My current diet consists of no wheat or its kind. Nuts, Veg and Meat with the odd bit of milk/cheese/butter/other dairy thrown in for shakes, stir frys, salads and the like.

I have found that, through not eating wheat I don't get that full bloated feeling, I NEVER get the 3pm slump and I am rarely lethargic.

I found that when I had a bap about two weeks ago for lunch, as I left mine at home, I felt quite different to how I was used to feeling. Felt sleepy at my desk and felt a lot more bloated. I try to avoid it as much as possible and would urge everyone to try it for a little while.

As an aside, I also get similar feelings when I drink Milk, not as tired but definitely as bloated. I generally drink a milk protein shake and hour and a half before training and for the first half hour-hour I feel a little less ok, again bloated.

Totally agree with all of the above as this is what i see day in day out with all my clients.

Yesterday I had a lady in for another 6 wk program and when i asked about being grain free she said "Well i had a pitta with much of the bread part taken out of the middle and then put in some salad and meat as a filling - thats ok right"

Answer - NO ITS NOT!!! Not when you are complaining about still having a bloated belly and energy levels are all over the place and you are doing this on a daily basis.
Could this be resolved through calorie restriction? Yes it could but on a very basic level when you are coming from a place where you are eating junk food all the time and/or you are 2stone + overweight but beyond that if in doubt cut the wheat out.

Oryx

Transform, its interesting to see wheat mentioned so much. I had to go wheat free last year to try and control some diet issues (my mum is wheat intolerant and I think I've inherited that). Would you suggest avoiding wheat replacements also? (genius bread etc). Whats the best carb to replace bread and wheat products?

Trying not to go wildly off topic here.

metamorphosis

Potatoes, sweet potatoes and rice imo. You will finction much better on these than on the wheat free crap alternatives that look and taste like my armpit hair

Zamboni

metamorphosis wrote: »

Potatoes, sweet potatoes and rice imo. You will finction much better on these than on the wheat free crap alternatives that look and taste like my armpit hair

Bet your armpit hair tastes nicer :pac:

Oryx

Zamboni wrote: »

Bet your armpit hair tastes nicer :pac:

Some of it isn't too bad, but then its over a year since I tasted real bread, so what do I know?

Hard to make the aul sambos from rice, all the same.

I had a problem also trying to carb load before races this year as all around me were lashing into the pasta. I never knew how hard it was to get spuds or rice when eating out in Belgium!

Transform

metamorphosis wrote: »

Potatoes, sweet potatoes and rice imo. You will finction much better on these than on the wheat free crap alternatives that look and taste like my armpit hair

agreed - plenty of butter also. I function well on rice and oatcakes but i dont know many people that train as often and as hard as i do so that might not be best for you.

Simple rule is still to earn your carbs and keep the sources to safe carbs as mentioned

Hanley

Transform wrote: »

agreed - plenty of butter also. I function well on rice and oatcakes but i dont know many people that train as often and as hard as i do so that might not be best for you.

Simple rule is still to earn your carbs and keep the sources to safe carbs as mentioned

So are we saying oats are pretty much ok then?

I totally agree on lower carb levels been better for day to day sustainment. I always swear I'll never go back to eating chocolate and sweets when I'm dieting cos my energy levels and mood are so much better, but they always win!!

wersal gummage

What about wholemeal brown bread with peanut butter lathered on? Have this occasionally as an alternative snack.

Thanks.

Transform

wersal gummage wrote: »

What about wholemeal brown bread with peanut butter lathered on? Have this occasionally as an alternative snack.

Thanks.

No and it wouldnt matter if it were ANY kind of wheat based bread.

Almond dark chocolate butter on some rice cakes - now we're talking!

Oryx

Transform wrote: »

No and it wouldnt matter if it were ANY kind of wheat based bread.

Almond dark chocolate butter on some rice cakes - now we're talking!

And yet on this very forum I have heard rice cakes described as useless non nutritious junk. Hard to figure this all out!

Transform

Hanley wrote: »

So are we saying oats are pretty much ok then?

I totally agree on lower carb levels been better for day to day sustainment. I always swear I'll never go back to eating chocolate and sweets when I'm dieting cos my energy levels and mood are so much better, but they always win!!

I think it still comes down to asking the question of how do i function on x food.

I eat plenty of -

butter (about a full stick every 5-7days), nut butter, dark chocolate, coconut products, quest bars, oat cakes, rice cakes, along side a diet that is packed full of unprocessed meat, eggs, fish, veggies, some fruit, my own veg/fruit juices, alcohol now and again and as much coffee as i can get away with until it disrupts my sleep (usually 1-2 double espressos 1-3 days running and I have to come off for a day or three).

This is what makes me feel good, no energy slumps, rarely ever get sick, perform well/consistently and stay 'fairly' lean. Not sure whats 'best' for others but all that might be a good start.

This whole idea that someone can adopt a super low carb intake (not banging in the sweet potato, veggies, rice etc) and still perform e.g. high level MMA, crossfit, GAA, rugby etc is complete BS.

Best start for most is simple - stop ignoring how food makes you feel, its effects on your endocrine system and start listening to your body.

Stella89

Transform wrote: »

I think it still comes down to asking the question of how do i function on x food.

I eat plenty of -

butter (about a full stick every 5-7days), nut butter, dark chocolate, coconut products, quest bars, oat cakes, rice cakes, along side a diet that is packed full of unprocessed meat, eggs, fish, veggies, some fruit, my own veg/fruit juices, alcohol now and again and as much coffee as i can get away with until it disrupts my sleep (usually 1-2 double espressos 1-3 days running and I have to come off for a day or three).

This is what makes me feel good, no energy slumps, rarely ever get sick, perform well/consistently and stay 'fairly' lean. Not sure whats 'best' for others but all that might be a good start.

This whole idea that someone can adopt a super low carb intake (not banging in the sweet potato, veggies, rice etc) and still perform e.g. high level MMA, crossfit, GAA, rugby etc is complete BS.

Best start for most is simple - stop ignoring how food makes you feel, its effects on your endocrine system and start listening to your body.

Is that list in the order of how much you consume/ deem important ? . When I eat too much butter my face feels like it is burning up, so I don't like having too much of it

I agree with you, when you say ,listen to your body. But I think, if you are young and excercise alot, you could eat almost anything and still feel fine ? you could eat pretty much each anything you wanted, you could eat 3 super size McDonalds meals per day and perform fine, rarely get sick etc

However, If you are overweight, older and inactive, then eating a stick of animal fat a week, with your toast ( that is how most people use butter) might not be the best plan for you , in my opinion .

Barry.Oglesby

When I was 20-26, I essentially ate what I want, and I usually wanted high calorie foods, burgers, pizzas, I drank a good heap on a Saturday but rarely if ever on weekdays. I paid little or no attention to my diet save getting enough protein in which I did in the form of meat and milk. I didn't know a lot about nutrition and I didn't care. But I was lean, fit and could go all day and I loved my grub. Then something changed and I don't know what it was, but I attribute it mainly to educating myself about nutrition. Suddenly I was looking at everything I ate; I was getting older, I reasoned, so I had to look after myself. Soon I was unhappy, cranky, getting weaker and fatter (or so I thought) and generally just in the doldrums. Now I'm 33, I'm stronger, fitter and happier than the 27 year old me and I love my grub. The only change was that I can no longer get away with pizzas and burgers regularly!

Looking back I know why. I was obsessing about the small things instead of the broad strokes. This just made me miserable about food which in turn made me miserable about training. If all of your meals contain a good source of protein, green veg and not too much starchy carbs, then you'll be alright. If you don't eat too much sugar and you don't eat too many snacks, then you'll be alright. If you know how to cook you'll be alright. You don't have to be Jamie Oliver but if you can rustle up 6-10 decent meals that don't come out of a box, you'll be alright.

When it comes to the minutiae, getting rid of the last few pounds of bodyfat, then we need the science and the extreme dieting. When it comes to generally being healthy and happy and fit, then I would say:

1) drink more water
2) Eat more lean meat and eggs and less starchy carbs and pastas
3) eat more veg
4) avoid sugar as much as you can
5) learn how to cook simple meals that follow the above

And that would be it. Fvck man food is for enjoying too. Don't obsess. The best things in the world don't come out of packs they come fresh from the pan or the oven.

Kadongy

Wholewheat is good, unless you have some form of intolerance. Processed wheat is not good at all. Normal pasta is processed wheat. Most brown bread has processed wheat in it. Obviously white bread and almost all cakes and things are processed wheat. So ruling out wheat altogether seems to work to avoid all that. It's like diets that take it a step further and rule out all carbs. Most of their effectiveness is from eliminating processed food and simple carbs rather than anything more complex. But complex carbs are good to include in a diet - and wholewheat is highly nutritious and healthy for most people.

Theresalwaysone

Kadongy wrote: »

Wholewheat is good, unless you have some form of intolerance. Processed wheat is not good at all. Normal pasta is processed wheat. Most brown bread has processed wheat in it. Obviously white bread and almost all cakes and things are processed wheat. So ruling out wheat altogether seems to work to avoid all that. It's like diets that take it a step further and rule out all carbs. Most of their effectiveness is from eliminating processed food and simple carbs rather than anything more complex. But complex carbs are good to include in a diet - and wholewheat is highly nutritious and healthy for most people.

This isnt true. Wholewheat has the same effect on you in terms of insulin spikes as any other form of wheat.

Healthy (links to leaky gut although not conclusive afaik, like other carbs it gives sugar craving, the insulin spike affects fat levels and metabolic upheaval) and nutritious (I assume you going to go with the fibre link here? Its a poor source all things considered and compared to other foodstuffs its pretty crap for vitamins) is also pretty debatable.

I find that most people have a massive reliance on bread, I had myself, often finding myself stumped as to what to eat for lunches or breakfast if I couldnt have toast or sandwiches.

But aside from all that, wheat makes me feel like crap. Anyone who I've spoken to about ruling out wheat has said the same. I also make a point of talking to rational people not over zealous diet huggers so from my own experiences and those of people I respect Ive come to the conclusion that more people need to stop eating wheat and really feel what a difference it makes. I really cant stress this enough. I genuinely feel so much better not consuming wheat.

If it doesnt make a difference, well fair enough, but I doubt thatll be the case.

Kadongy

It doesn't have the same effect on insulin spikes really. Proper wholewheat bread can have a GI as low as 40 (average around 50). White bread and typical brown bread has a GI around 70.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm

It's a good source of b vitamins and several minerals, as well as being a good source of fibre.

I think the over-reliance thing is key here too. In 1965 a New Jersey was famous because of her adherence to an extreme form of macrobiotic diet. She ate nothing but brown rice. She was famous because she died from malnutrition as a result. This does not mean brown rice is not a healthy food. Neither does over-reliance on wheat being non-optimal mean that wholewheat is not a healthy food.

http://www.enotes.com/peoples-chronology/year-1965/nutrition

jive

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

But aside from all that, wheat makes me feel like crap. Anyone who I've spoken to about ruling out wheat has said the same. I also make a point of talking to rational people not over zealous diet huggers so from my own experiences and those of people I respect Ive come to the conclusion that more people need to stop eating wheat and really feel what a difference it makes. I really cant stress this enough. I genuinely feel so much better not consuming wheat.

I think wheat is pretty good tbh. If I eat wholewheat pasta (or normal pasta, w/e) I feel good, slightly full but not too full. If I eat spuds then I feel too full and get the post meal fatigue that is a killer. If I eat rice (brown, white, basmati, long grain, wild rice, all fúckin kinds) I get a severe hunger shortly after eating regardless of how much I ate (within reason obviously); it leaves me feeling full for about half an hour then I get to a point where I feel starving.

I just eat foods that make me feel good. I don't really care about studies or whatever because the proof is in how I feel and how I look. Generally the only carbs I eat are pasta, couscous, oats and bread. Generally have 2 meals of oats and 3 meals of couscous or pasta + 1 meal with bread.

People sweat too much over what they eat. I think it's obvious whether you are eating **** or not because you will feel it and look like you're eating shít. Eat it, train and forget about it. No need to sweat the little things and you'll find out what suits you and what doesn't regardless of what the studies say.

Theresalwaysone

Agree with you Jive, I did mention a few times it was my own experience and that of people Ive discussed it with. I'm sure there are exceptions and tolerances in the population as a whole and Im ok with that. Just that anyone who does feel crap, Id personally urge them to give up the wheat first and see how they feel and go from there.

jive

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Agree with you Jive, I did mention a few times it was my own experience and that of people Ive discussed it with. I'm sure there are exceptions and tolerances in the population as a whole and Im ok with that. Just that anyone who does feel crap, Id personally urge them to give
up the wheat first and see how they feel and go from there.

Agreed. Spuds are just starch but they don't 'agree' with me because I eat fairly large quantities of food and spuds are quite heavy even though they're not much different from other foods I eat, they're just starch. I find they leave me feeling lethargic so I just don't eat them before going training. Whether it's a mental thing or not (it's not! ) is irrelevant to me I'll just eat something else, no biggie!

General rule of thumb is eat healthy but if something healthy doesn't bode well with you then replace it with something else that is healthy. Unprocessed foods are pretty much the way to go, people in this day and age know what's healthy and what's not they just like to complicate things and find excuses and/or reasons for their impending failure. Eat well, train well and repeat for several years.

Transform

Oryx wrote: »

And yet on this very forum I have heard rice cakes described as useless non nutritious junk. Hard to figure this all out!

I eat them and oatcakes and function fine on them so what others do is up to them and up to you

Transform

i would invite you to come work with me for just one day because thats not what i see day in day out e.g. super slim female client that cut out wheat and her long time persistent eczema cleared up, 50yr old male client with constant joint pain cleared up.

The effects of wheat extend way beyond fat loss or weight gain.

To be honest all you can do is present your info and beyond that if people want to eat frosties for breakfast, eat rolls for lunch and have 'healthy wholegrain' pasta for dinner and they function fine on it then who am i to disagree.

Do what ever you want when it comes to diet and the single biggest factor in current society is the harmful effects of stress - DONT LET FOOD BECOME ANOTHER STRESSOR!

On a side note - my wife is doing a 3 month cooking course at the moment and regularly comes home with wheat based foods e.g. last night i ate some italian style focaccia bread with 4 scrambeled eggs, cherry tomatoes and parma ham, do i really care about the bread? Not really as its quite rare and the rest of the meal was pretty solid also

Burkatron

Transform wrote: »

i would invite you to come work with me for just one day because thats not what i see day in day out e.g. super slim female client that cut out wheat and her long time persistent eczema cleared up, 50yr old male client with constant joint pain cleared up.

Just to pick your brain on your experience with eczema!

I've cut wheat out of my diet (again) for the past 5 weeks & my flare ups aren't as bad(I know I have to wait a bit longer to see full results but anyway)! Have you ever seen anyone cut nightshades out of there diet & get the same effect's on inflammatory conditions?? I was always told as a kid not to eat tomatoe's but that never worked. I came across an article on the whole nightshade family & how they cause an inflammation response in the body!! My food choices are becoming more & more limited Any who,reading back over this, the bolded part is main question!!

Transform

Burkatron wrote: »

Just to pick your brain on your experience with eczema!

I've cut wheat out of my diet (again) for the past 5 weeks & my flare ups aren't as bad(I know I have to wait a bit longer to see full results but anyway)! Have you ever seen anyone cut nightshades out of there diet & get the same effect's on inflammatory conditions?? I was always told as a kid not to eat tomatoe's but that never worked. I came across an article on the whole nightshade family & how they cause an inflammation response in the body!! My food choices are becoming more & more limited Any who,reading back over this, the bolded part is main question!!

Sorry man i have no idea - its kind of a suck it and see approach.

Suggestion - you might simply just need to improve digestion through the use of digestive enzyme support, massive reduction in stress, sleep more etc Could have nothing at all to do with food and more to do with other factors.

I assume you are banging in the good fats also

Burkatron

Transform wrote: »

Sorry man i have no idea - its kind of a suck it and see approach.

Suggestion - you might simply just need to improve digestion through the use of digestive enzyme support, massive reduction in stress, sleep more etc Could have nothing at all to do with food and more to do with other factors.

I assume you are banging in the good fats also

Cheers dude, I'm slowly phasing them out of my diet at the moment!
Dairy & Wheat had to go 1st so I wasn't giving anything else up! Contemplating using lactase so I can bring back in dairy,the stuff knots me up something terrible whenever I get a sniff of it now!
I'll give the enzymes a try, I'm a pill popping machine at this stage. My dad has them back home so I'll rob some of his tonight! Along with the meat contents of his fridge
Yep lottsa nuts, seeds,coconut milk & Omega 3 caps!

SteelyDanJalapeno

Transform wrote: »

i would invite you to come work with me for just one day because thats not what i see day in day out e.g. super slim female client that cut out wheat and her long time persistent eczema cleared up, 50yr old male client with constant joint pain cleared up.

The effects of wheat extend way beyond fat loss or weight gain.

To be honest all you can do is present your info and beyond that if people want to eat frosties for breakfast, eat rolls for lunch and have 'healthy wholegrain' pasta for dinner and they function fine on it then who am i to disagree.

Do what ever you want when it comes to diet and the single biggest factor in current society is the harmful effects of stress - DONT LET FOOD BECOME ANOTHER STRESSOR!

On a side note - my wife is doing a 3 month cooking course at the moment and regularly comes home with wheat based foods e.g. last night i ate some italian style focaccia bread with 4 scrambeled eggs, cherry tomatoes and parma ham, do i really care about the bread? Not really as its quite rare and the rest of the meal was pretty solid also

Just on stuff like Eczema clearing up,

I went pretty much Paleo a year ago, I had 2 big nasty ass Verruca's on my feet that treatment could not resolve, they had been there for up to 3 years, 2 months into Paleo/cutting out wheat they had disapeared totally, along with a wart on my finger, the skin now looks perfect, like it they were never there

Barry.Oglesby

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Just on stuff like Eczema clearing up,

I went pretty much Paleo a year ago, I had 2 big nasty ass Verruca's on my feet that treatment could not resolve, they had been there for up to 3 years, 2 months into Paleo/cutting out wheat they had disapeared totally, along with a wart on my finger, the skin now looks perfect, like it they were never there

I think that might be an attribution error. Verrucas and Warts aren't diet related, they're a growth caused by a virus.

boomtown84

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I think that might be an attribution error. Verrucas and Warts aren't diet related, they're a growth caused by a virus.

i think it's fairly clear here that wheat caused the virus.there is no other explanation.

Transform

boomtown84 wrote: »

i think it's fairly clear here that wheat caused the virus.there is no other explanation.

look who really cares - its cured and you feel better so more power to you.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I think that might be an attribution error. Verrucas and Warts aren't diet related, they're a growth caused by a virus.

boomtown84 wrote: »

i think it's fairly clear here that wheat caused the virus.there is no other explanation.

Haha, as if i was blaming wheat! the most logical reasoning i've come to is; I haven't got flu or a cold since cutting wheat out, and my immune system been able to focus more of its energy on other ailments that i might had!

Which also included a yeast type infection ,

Hardly a coincidence they all disappeared is it?

frag420

Sorry to hi jack but I have a quick question. Doing c25k. On week 5. After a run I am hungry. I usually do something quick like fajitas. I buy the parts seperately so that I can use weightwatcher wraps. Unusually put in half a red, green pepper, some diced onion and maybe some ginger and then chicken.

How healthy or unhealthy is this??

Cheers

Kadongy

I eat lots of wheat and I haven't been sick in years. I find I feel best if I eat lots of vegetables and fruit and little junk. However I dont always do that and sometimes wholewheat is probably the most nutritious part of my diet. Still almost never get sick though.
In my opinion improvements in health are more related to what people replace wheat with than with something bad in wheat itself. I'm guessing more varied vegetables, grains and pulses are what people replace it with, since they are cutting it out to improve their diet. More nutirition overall so improved health and boosted immune system.

boomtown84

frag420 wrote: »

Sorry to hi jack but I have a quick question. Doing c25k. On week 5. After a run I am hungry. I usually do something quick like fajitas. I buy the parts seperately so that I can use weightwatcher wraps. Unusually put in half a red, green pepper, some diced onion and maybe some ginger and then chicken.

How healthy or unhealthy is this??

Cheers

is this a serious question?why would this be unhealthy??

boomtown84

Kadongy wrote: »

In my opinion improvements in health are more related to what people replace wheat with than with something bad in wheat itself. I'm guessing more varied vegetables, grains and pulses are what people replace it with, since they are cutting it out to improve their diet. More nutirition overall so improved health and boosted immune system.

This!

Theresalwaysone

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

As an aside, I also get similar feelings when I drink Milk, not as tired but definitely as bloated. I generally drink a milk protein shake and hour and a half before training and for the first half hour-hour I feel a little less ok, again bloated.

You might have a milk intolerance
try the shake with lactose free milk and see

boomtown84 wrote: »

is this a serious question?why would this be unhealthy??

the wraps part

boomtown84

bluewolf wrote: »

the wraps part

what about it?what's unhealthy about it?

frag420

boomtown84 wrote: »

frag420 wrote: »

Sorry to hi jack but I have a quick question. Doing c25k. On week 5. After a run I am hungry. I usually do something quick like fajitas. I buy the parts seperately so that I can use weightwatcher wraps. Unusually put in half a red, green pepper, some diced onion and maybe some ginger and then chicken.

How healthy or unhealthy is this??

Cheers

is this a serious question?why would this be unhealthy??

Well with all the talk about wheat( the wrap), processed food( fajita powder ans salsa) I was just making sure. I am trying to take this healthy living seriously so if I thought it was not good I'd leave it out.

To sum it all up I usually gave tea and two slices if brown toast with peanut butter in the morn or some mornings i have a homemade berry smoothu. Not much during the day as currently not working so don't feel the hunger. Run between 6 and 7. Then eat. I indulge in the odd snack and drink min one litre of milk a day.

metamorphosis

There's more to health than food, there's more to life than health.

Insect Overlord

frag420 wrote: »

Well with all the talk about wheat( the wrap), processed food( fajita powder ans salsa) I was just making sure. I am trying to take this healthy living seriously so if I thought it was not good I'd leave it out.

You can make your own mix for those by mixing cumin, garlic, chilli powder, paprika and a dash of salt, if you're very concerned about it.

Another "healthy option" is to wrap your chicken, peppers and onion in lettuce leaves. It'll cut nearly 200 calories (per fajita) from the meal.

Tigger

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I think that might be an attribution error. Verrucas and Warts aren't diet related, they're a growth caused by a virus.

increase in immune system can kill stuff that lowered immune system can't


i have no reason to believe that its paleo that did it but in theory it could

Duffman'05

Transform wrote: »

I think it still comes down to asking the question of how do i function on x food.

I eat plenty of -

butter (about a full stick every 5-7days), nut butter, dark chocolate, coconut products, quest bars, oat cakes, rice cakes, along side a diet that is packed full of unprocessed meat, eggs, fish, veggies, some fruit, my own veg/fruit juices, alcohol now and again and as much coffee as i can get away with until it disrupts my sleep (usually 1-2 double espressos 1-3 days running and I have to come off for a day or three).

This is what makes me feel good, no energy slumps, rarely ever get sick, perform well/consistently and stay 'fairly' lean. Not sure whats 'best' for others but all that might be a good start.

This whole idea that someone can adopt a super low carb intake (not banging in the sweet potato, veggies, rice etc) and still perform e.g. high level MMA, crossfit, GAA, rugby etc is complete BS.

Best start for most is simple - stop ignoring how food makes you feel, its effects on your endocrine system and start listening to your body.

Transform,

How do you keep your calorie intake high without consuming wheat? I am currently trying to bulk up whilst keeping lean so obviously I'm pushing my calorie and protein intake as much as I can. I do follow a very strict diet and only eat wholegrain pasta, rice and bread rather than ever touch the white forms of any of these.

But Weetabix and the wholegrain forms of these three make up the vast majority of my daily calorie intake and complex carbohydrate toll. I never really knew that it was wheat in general that was so detrimental to fitness, I just assumed it was the processed forms of it (ie white pasta/rice/bread). How can I push my calorie intake whilst abstaining from wheat and keeping it healthy?

boomtown84

Duffman'05 wrote: »

Transform,
I never really knew that it was wheat in general that was so detrimental to fitness, I just assumed it was the processed forms of it (ie white pasta/rice/bread).

has wheat had a detrimental effect on your fitness?

boomtown84

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Another "healthy option" is to wrap your chicken, peppers and onion in lettuce leaves. It'll cut nearly 200 calories (per fajita) from the meal.

looking at the amount of food he/she eats do you not reckon reducing calories might do more harm than good?

Satanta

Duffman'05 wrote: »

Transform,

How do you keep your calorie intake high without consuming wheat? I am currently trying to bulk up whilst keeping lean so obviously I'm pushing my calorie and protein intake as much as I can. I do follow a very strict diet and only eat wholegrain pasta, rice and bread rather than ever touch the white forms of any of these.

But Weetabix and the wholegrain forms of these three make up the vast majority of my daily calorie intake and complex carbohydrate toll. I never really knew that it was wheat in general that was so detrimental to fitness, I just assumed it was the processed forms of it (ie white pasta/rice/bread). How can I push my calorie intake whilst abstaining from wheat and keeping it healthy?

I went wheat free about 5 or 6 weeks ago and, had the same thoughts as you. I now eat Oats instead of wheetabix. I eat fruit, nuts, omlettes etc instead of bread. I eat wheat free pasta from tesco (made from brown rice).

My diet was also clean before doing this. No fizzy drinks, sweets, cholocate, crisps, alcohol. I cant say I notice a big difference tbh, except for dropping over a kilo in the first week and a half. After that I just upped the calories again.

Transform

Duffman'05 wrote: »

Transform,

How do you keep your calorie intake high without consuming wheat? I am currently trying to bulk up whilst keeping lean so obviously I'm pushing my calorie and protein intake as much as I can. I do follow a very strict diet and only eat wholegrain pasta, rice and bread rather than ever touch the white forms of any of these.

But Weetabix and the wholegrain forms of these three make up the vast majority of my daily calorie intake and complex carbohydrate toll. I never really knew that it was wheat in general that was so detrimental to fitness, I just assumed it was the processed forms of it (ie white pasta/rice/bread). How can I push my calorie intake whilst abstaining from wheat and keeping it healthy?

never had any problem EVER!

I eat as described eariler in this thread and plenty of it. Biggest mistake i see is not enough good fats and not enough high starch safe foods e.g. sweet potato, butternut squash etc.

please note how i eat is how I eat.

i know everyone feels like they need a starting point from which to work from but essentially I fuel a very very active, 14st individual so dont think that asking me whats right for me is going to be right for you. Though I think the only exception is going wheat free is a good starting point for everyone regardless of goals.

You have to decide whats right for you and if is not working then change it.

Insect Overlord

boomtown84 wrote: »

looking at the amount of food he/she eats do you not reckon reducing calories might do more harm than good?

I think you may be mixing up the poster I replied to with the OP, 'cause I can't see the rest of frag420's diet in this thread. Either that or I'm just not familiar with his/her diet plans from another thread! Obviously it wouldn't be wise to cut another 600-1200 calories a week if someone was already working to a planned deficit.

boomtown84

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I think you may be mixing up the poster I replied to with the OP, 'cause I can't see the rest of frag420's diet in this thread. Either that or I'm just not familiar with his/her diet plans from another thread!

frag420 wrote: »

To sum it all up I usually gave tea and two slices if brown toast with peanut butter in the morn or some mornings i have a homemade berry smoothu. Not much during the day as currently not working so don't feel the hunger. Run between 6 and 7. Then eat. I indulge in the odd snack and drink min one litre of milk a day.

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