netflix , comming soon to a linux near you

bpb101

hey all i know we cant use netflix here but it a big step for linux as netflix announced native Linux support

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/native-netflix-client-coming-linux-in-12-months/

Stuxnet

better not be flash based

SouperComputer

iPwnage wrote: »

better not be flash based

On windows its done with silverlight. For better or worse...

Khannie

iPwnage wrote: »

better not be flash based

Surely it will be.

bpb101

i say it will , or else mirosoft will be involved if it was sliverlight
what wrong with flash???

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im sure im going to get a die hard windows fan attack me ,but however.

Khannie

No hardware acceleration in linux AFAIK.

bpb101

Khannie wrote: »

No hardware acceleration in linux AFAIK.

but there no sliverlight for linux .
so there no alterative. beside ,nobody apart from netflixs use sliverlight really , and lease adobe could be arse to make a Linux edition .

Khannie

Ah I wasn't arguing against flash, only saying why people might have an issue with it. My HTPC (ion2 based) doesn't have the processing power to software decode H264 encoded HD stuff so I would be ruled out for example.

Who knows, they may use something novel.

bpb101

i say there they not too far into the product atm
it will be intresting to see how they progress with this .
im not well up on netfix as im , like most people here , irish . do you download a software or is it played through firefox/IE/chrome

Khannie

Relevant bump: Netflix coming to Ireland soon.

bpb101

Khannie wrote: »

Relevant bump: Netflix coming to Ireland soon.

LINK PLEASE

Khannie

It was in the metro the other day so I have no link.

A quick google gives this page which says:

Netflix's imminent UK and Ireland launch prompts bidding war for rights to films and TV shows

Not too shabby.

edit: More relevant link.

human 19

Khannie wrote: »

It was in the metro the other day so I have no link.

edit: More relevant link.

states films to ne released: “within one year of their theatrical release,”.
May as well just rent the DVD. Maybe thats the reason for the delay, so bootlegs wont be available before the DVD release.

I was hoping to be able to stream while they are still in the cinema.

I tried streaming Hanna from the studio website but got the usual corporate message "not available in your territory".... and then they give out about torrenting:eek: .

bpb101

what about html 5 for linux and netflixs

Oracle

Yeah great ... just a pity most Hollywood studio movies are not worth watching.

bpb101

Oracle wrote: »

Yeah great ... just a pity most Hollywood studio movies are not worth watching.

american tv and movies 100000000 x better than brithish tv and movies

human 19

Now that netflix is here...if you would like to hurry them up you can sign an online petition
(found the link in the Mint forums)

http://www.petitiononline.com/Linflix/petition.html

Grudaire

I've just started using it on the Wii, and I have to say that it's a pretty good service. For what I'd watch on the UPC, for 7e a month you basically get the same shows, and on demand.

Has there been any updates on it since October?

bpb101

Cliste wrote: »

I've just started using it on the Wii, and I have to say that it's a pretty good service. For what I'd watch on the UPC, for 7e a month you basically get the same shows, and on demand.

Has there been any updates on it since October?

nothing that ive heard of.
Tell me what do you get my line of tv shows that i cant get on rte player and other players?
also what are the movies like?

bpb101

netflixs have really pushed themselves in the last 6 months

Linux support wont generate a huge income , and will probable make a lost for a while , as the cost of development may be high
but as a Linux enthusiast, with a windows pc, playstation and wii , i would not pay money if they didn't have Linux support.

Grudaire

Your best bet is to actually look at the catalog that they have. Rte player has only got stuff that was shown on RTE so is quite limited, although netflix is only good if you actually like the shows they have!

You can see it here: https://signup.netflix.com/?locale=en-IE

bpb101

unfortunately i cant as i only have laser card
can you get the trail without entering details.

bpb101

just saw this at the end of their page
https://signup.netflix.com/BrowseGenres/New-Arrivals/RA

had a look and their nothing much their.
i would prefer more tv than movies and their tv selection is poor to say the most.

eth0

They're probably busy coding the DRM for it now. Netflix == DRM and therefore evil. beside there is very little worth watching

evercloserunion

bpb101 wrote: »

american tv and movies 100000000 x better than brithish tv and movies

Getting off topic here, but I disagree with respect to British TV series', there are some absolutely golden British comedies out there.

bpb101

evercloserunion wrote: »

Getting off topic here, but I disagree with respect to British TV series', there are some absolutely golden British comedies out there.

no, sorry

PrzemoF

bpb101 wrote: »

i say it will , or else mirosoft will be involved if [..]
what wrong with flash???
[..]

Everything: slow, buggy, crash-prone, undebuggable (is it a word??), proprietary, dead & buried on mobile devices...

bpb101

PrzemoF wrote: »

Everything: slow, buggy, crash-prone, undebuggable (is it a word??), proprietary, dead & buried on mobile devices...

whats the alternative ?

Galen

bpb101 wrote: »

whats the alternative ?

HTML5 video?

bpb101

i mentioned that in 1 of my post above
i use my laptop a lot watching movies ect and tbh i never have a problem with the flash

Galen

Those of us on Linux are screwed until the people running at Netflix grows a pair and tells the MPAA to go and **** themselves.

bpb101

unfortunately it's my sad duty to post this linux from omg ubuntu.


http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/netflix-no-plans-to-support-linux/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29

Galen

I'm not surprised with Linux only 1 - 2 percent of the desktop market.

Johnboy1951

Oh well ...... an 'unofficial' copy of Win in a VM seems to be the way to go for a Linux PC ......

Galen

I think I'll be happier doing without Netflix than installing windoze on my machine :-(

AaronEverlast

Have a friend who works for Netflix. Its not happening. It might happen, but for now, its not.

Grudaire

Do any of the alternative streaming companies have any plans for linux capability?

eth0

I dunno why people see the appeal of this kind of service while there are torrents

aidan_walsh

eth0 wrote: »

I dunno why people see the appeal of this kind of service while there are torrents

Because its legitimate? Because people want to support the people who make the things they like to watch?

Moonbeam

ALthough there is no official Linux support I am sure it won't be hard to get it working.

Hmm must get my Netflix account.

bpb101

i was just looking at the kindle fire That runs android linux and it does have netflix support so netflix has been developed for linux , although this inset on the computer is regardless.

it uses the Linux kernel and therefore should be made capable with some of the mainstream Linux's

eth0

OSI wrote: »

Because, as I've said many many many times, the only reason I torrent/download, is because there was no reasonable method of getting the content I want, on demand at a reasonable price.

Netflix does this exactly. Why go to the effort of finding a torrent, hoping it has peers etc, then waiting ages for it to download, when I can start streaming it straight away on Netflix.

You just need a decent torrent site. The public ones tend to be fairly bad - too many lads seeding at 1k/s

I'd rather wait a month for a filum to download rather than install something on my computer that uses DRM and support a crowd of DRM peddlers. I hate the way all these new shiny services come along and gloss over the fact that their software goes out of its way to 'hide' stuff from you the user or even uses dedicated Intel Insider style hardware to try and hide it from you. Tis like the Troika invading your PC except its a Troika of supermassive movie studios (there's probably only 3 left after mergers, they're all a cosy cartell anyway)

bpb101

i was doing a little searching myself on netflix jobs and i found this job
http://www2.netflix.com/Jobs?id=7602&jvi=oUr3Vfw3

• Strong technical expertise with C++ programming, memory management, multithreaded programming, and embedded Linux

• Candidates with expertise in one or more of the following areas are preferred: Linux system-level programming, networking protocols, audio/video playback and file formats, video streaming, DRM, software security, and UI frameworks (Webkit, Qt, Adobe Flash).

p.s. i made the linux bold

ShooterSF

eth0 wrote: »

You just need a decent torrent site. The public ones tend to be fairly bad - too many lads seeding at 1k/s

I'd rather wait a month for a filum to download rather than install something on my computer that uses DRM and support a crowd of DRM peddlers. I hate the way all these new shiny services come along and gloss over the fact that their software goes out of its way to 'hide' stuff from you the user or even uses dedicated Intel Insider style hardware to try and hide it from you. Tis like the Troika invading your PC except its a Troika of supermassive movie studios (there's probably only 3 left after mergers, they're all a cosy cartell anyway)

I get why DRM is a problem with games/music etc that you buy and install. It makes it difficult to move to new machines or sell on to someone else etc but with streaming content? I don't see any difference between it using drm or not and can't see how it can hamper my experience of the show/movie.

eth0

ShooterSF wrote: »

I get why DRM is a problem with games/music etc that you buy and install. It makes it difficult to move to new machines or sell on to someone else etc but with streaming content? I don't see any difference between it using drm or not and can't see how it can hamper my experience of the show/movie.

There is no such thing as streaming anymore. Its just downloading with some yoke running on your computer to make sure its disposed off once shown on the screen. Actual connectionless streaming I don't think its used for this service though I could be wrong, and if it is I'd still rather have full access to the data on my own machine. It sets a bad precedent - people accepting the idea of the little guy inside their computer from the Netflix crowd making sure you don't get at the good stuff

I do use private trackers, and yes they can be fine, but there is still to often a torrent that has feck all seeds or ones on crappy connections, I would much rather be able to watch something instantly and know I'm getting decent content rather than spend hours wondering if I just downloaded a crap rip or a big **** off virus. And why the **** would I care about what DRM Netflix uses? I'm not copying it, I'm not storing it, DRM has no affect on my ability to watch the content I want on the devices I want (admittedly bar Linux). I do find it funny when people say they won't pay for movies, and spend €100+ on HDD to download movies to.

I don't know how you manage to have such bad luck with torrents. My 100e hard drive stores all my other non-'content' stuff as well thats more than just a couple of gigs

timbyr

eth0 wrote: »

There is no such thing as streaming anymore. Its just downloading with some yoke running on your computer to make sure its disposed off once shown on the screen. Actual connectionless streaming I don't think its used for this service though I could be wrong, and if it is I'd still rather have full access to the data on my own machine.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
Are you referring to a multicast system? Because at your endpoint there would still be the requirement to make sure the received data is "disposed" whether using a HTTP method or a connectionless media protocol.
Whatever transport method is used has no impact on how the application handles the stream at the far end. Still "needs" that DRM to stop you from keeping the data on your own machine.

Although on a slightly related note I think that Netflix on devices do use a media streaming protocol on devices, which would explain my ability to tunnel it through SSH and my Squid proxy being ignored by the Netflix app on my PS3 and Android devices.

d'Oracle

eth0 wrote: »

Tis like the Troika invading your PC

Its not like that at all.

Johnboy1951

eth0 wrote:

Actual connectionless streaming I don't think its used for this service though I could be wrong

I am unfamiliar with this term, could you elaborate please? Thanks.
.... there surely has to be a connection ....

PogMoThoin

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am unfamiliar with this term, could you elaborate please? Thanks.
.... there surely has to be a connection ....

You need to read up on layer 4, the transport layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_layer



UDP is connectionless, unlike TCP there is no establishing the connection, it blasts away without any preliminaries and there is no acknowledgement of receipt of the packets, they are received in random order without control, it's up to the application layer to sort out and cope with the packets in the wrong order/missing. Skype and lots of other video, voice and some gaming applications use UDP as there is less overheads than TCP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectionless_protocol
http://www-net.cs.umass.edu/kurose/transport/UDP.html

Johnboy1951

PogMoThoin wrote: »

You need to read up on layer 4, the transport layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_layer



UDP is connectionless, unlike TCP there is no establishing the connection, it blasts away without any preliminaries and there is no acknowledgement of receipt of the packets, they are received in random order without control, it's up to the application layer to sort out and cope with the packets in the wrong order/missing. Skype and lots of other video, voice and some gaming applications use UDP as there is less overheads than TCP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectionless_protocol
http://www-net.cs.umass.edu/kurose/transport/UDP.html

Thanks ...... it refers to an non-interactive 'connection' ..... got it ...

Khannie

Well...there is no connection really. It's like putting something in the post. You've no idea if it gets there or not. You just hope / assume it will.