Deer Licence Info

ClarkyTrd

Hi Folks,

A friend of mine is thinking of applying for his first Deer Licence under a new Howa .243.

Can someone pm me that does shoot deer, as I'm looking for some information on it. Would be great help!

Thanks,
John

Cass

What info are you loking for?

browning 12 bore

pm sent there fellla

garv123

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Hi Folks,

A friend of mine is thinking of applying for his first Deer Licence under a new Howa .243.

Can someone pm me that does shoot deer, as I'm looking for some information on it. Would be great help!

Thanks,
John

how did he get a .243 without a deer licence?
or is he only applying for both licences?

ClarkyTrd

No, Sorry, He just looked at a new .243 today and is just looking for some info.

Have it sorted I think anyway.

Cheers

seoirse1980

pm sent

arrowloopboy

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

No, Sorry, He just looked at a new .243 today and is just looking for some info.

Have it sorted I think anyway.

Cheers

Here's the first bit of advice,tell him to buy more gun,why shoot a .243 when you can get a .270 or even a .308 ? .

poulo6.5

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Here's the first bit of advice,tell him to buy more gun,why shoot a .243 when you can get a .270 or even a .308 ? .

nothing wrong with a .243 in the right hands they are every bit as good as any caliber

seoirse1980

Sounds like he may be doing a bit of foxing too. .243, nice flat round, 55 grainers for the madra rua and 100 grain for the deer. unless he has some shooting on big reds, I think the .243 is perfect ,if put in the right spot.

Bit handier for the license too...

arrowloopboy

poulo6.5 wrote: »

nothing wrong with a .243 in the right hands they are every bit as good as any caliber

Re read the op Poulo,no offence to the op,but its his first deer calibre,i.e, not the right hands,i'd rather see an ill placed shot taken by a novice with buck fever delivered with a 130 grain .270 than a 100 grain .243,its a harder hitting more knock down powered round,end of story.
Not being cocky but i'm right ,end of.

seoirse1980

BUT could be his first choice, and last choice caliber... and a fine flat round it is too. why over compensate for lack of skill. ie. learn to shoot with a 20 bore before ye go onto a 12 bore. a .22 before .243+ One should learn to be accurate first with any discipline. If your not steady (ie. with buck fever) don't take the shot...

just my 2 cents

garv123

Who says he doesnt have a .223 and can shoot touching groups at 200 yards for all you know?
I know alot of people who got .243's for their first deer rifle.

arrowloopboy

garv123 wrote: »

Who says he doesnt have a .223 and can shoot touching groups at 200 yards for all you know?
I know alot of people who got .243's for their first deer rifle.

Not to insult .243 users,but the long and short of it is.........

its a GIRLS calibre.

Its grand for foxes and roe and muntys and ......chaps,but when you grow up and become a man ,you should get a .270.

poulo6.5

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Re read the op Poulo,no offence to the op,but its his first deer calibre,i.e, not the right hands,i'd rather see an ill placed shot taken by a novice with buck fever delivered with a 130 grain .270 than a 100 grain .243,its a harder hitting more knock down powered round,end of story.
Not being cocky but i'm right ,end of.

of course you are right, you are saying you should give a novice the biggest most powerful caliber possible so if he misses being a novice and with buck fever and probably not thinking about safe back stop etc what then.
i have nothing against .270 or any other cal for that matter. no one doubts the power of a .270

the best cal is the one you feel is right for you.

all deer legal cals have enough power to kill any deer in ireland

as with any cal shot placement is all important.

a good hart lung shot is all you need. a hole threw the hart lung be it .22 or .30 is still a dead animal.
equally so a bad or miss placed shot be it with a .22 or .30 will result in a runner or injured animal.
no shot should be taken lightly no matter what you use.

my advise to any hunter regardless of what he shoots is practice practice practice.
know your rifle and what it is capable of and know your own limits

and happy hunting;)

garv123

someone should tell the fella who won the last open shoot at the midlands with his .243 that he's nothing but a big girl. :rolleyes:

Fieldies Dreams

Doh ... a deer a female deer

poulo6.5

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Not to insult .243 users,but the long and short of it is.........

its a GIRLS calibre.

Its grand for foxes and roe and muntys and ......chaps,but when you grow up and become a man ,you should get a .270.

so what you are saying is girls are better hunters than a real man that has a big gun :p:p

ClarkyTrd

Its my friend thats looking for the info and he is looking for a .243, nothing else, maybe its his budget or preferred rifle, I dont know but as stated in my first post... .243!!

Anyone any reviews on the Howa 1500 .243??

Best choice of ammo??

Thanks,
John

arrowloopboy

poulo6.5 wrote: »

so what you are saying is girls are better hunters than a real man that has a big gun :p:p

What i'm saying is,i'm a fisherman ,and i had a few takes this evening :D:D.hook line and sinker.

podge.243

Well Arrowloopboy i have a .243 and it's a great gun and as in your word's "A GIRL'S" gun is bull. as you go on about the bigger cal like the .270 shur i know a GIRL that use's the .270 so there ye go and at the end of the day i'm dropping deer as same as you with your bigger cal:rolleyes:
As Paulo said in the right hand's and placement shots is key there's nottin wrong with the .243.

Hondata92

poulo6.5 wrote: »

a good hart lung shot is all you need. a hole threw the hart lung be it .22 or .30 is still a dead animal.

Unless your dealing with sika;) since they can run with no heart and f*ck all left of their lungs:eek:

garv123 wrote: »

someone should tell the fella who won the last open shoot at the midlands with his .243 that he's nothing but a big girl. :rolleyes:

Thats on paper at a set distance knowing roughly when the deer will appear and knowing what it will do.

The .243 is more than good enough for deer in this country but a larger calibre that gives slightly more margin for error should not be over looked especially since any quality deer legal (hunting) ammo is generally the same price regarless of calibre (within reason)

moby30

Clarky I use a howa m1500 .243. I use it on foxes sika and red deer and all I will say is it's more than adequate. It would ne nice to see you get a little more encouragement from some fellow shooters instead of being slated for your caliber choice. In terms of ammo I use federal v shock ballistic tip. The gun is cheap but extremely accurate. Whatever you or your friend choose man I wish you the best of luck with it.

arrowloopboy

podge.243 wrote: »

Well Arrowloopboy i have a .243 and it's a great gun and as in your word's "A GIRL'S" gun is bull. as you go on about the bigger cal like the .270 shur i know a GIRL that use's the .270 so there ye go and at the end of the day i'm dropping deer as same as you with your bigger cal:rolleyes:
As Paulo said in the right hand's and placement shots is key there's nottin wrong with the .243.

See post #19:p,still reckon if i met an 8 point Sika on a tight lane with thick cover on each side of him,i'd rather hit him with a .270 than a .243.

.243

arrowloopboy wrote: »

still reckon if i met an 8 point Sika on a tight lane with thick cover on each side of him,i'd rather hit him with a .270 than a .243.

i actually have,and guess what the .243 dropped him :eek:,ive being using this calibre for the last 15yrs,i never changed calibre because i never needed to,every single deer ive put a crosshair on dropped on the spot from 70yrds right out to 250yrds,
arrowloopoy the big gun aint always the better gun,
it never ceases to amaze me that when a new guy takes up shooting everyone recommends for him to start small and work up,but when he wants to deer shoot "oh bigger is better"

meathshooter1

243 is a great caliber more than capable for any deer in this country a 270 is a fine round but with bigger recoil which could cause the lad to flinch since its his first deer rifle.I currently use 243/308 and have had 22.250,6.5x55,270,and have hunted and shot friends rifles in 30 06, 300win mag,7mm etc.

ClarkyTrd

Just another quick question folks, regarding the deer licence.

- Do I only need 1 land permit for my application?

- Is the HCAP mandatory? If so what does it involve as I know nothing about it.

- Whats the best sized grain ammo people use with a .243?
Thanks,
John

garv123

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Just another quick question folks, regarding the deer licence.

- Do I only need 1 land permit for my application?

- Is the HCAP mandatory? If so what does it involve as I know nothing about it.

- Whats the best sized grain ammo people use with a .243?
Thanks,
John

Depends on how big the area is. the more the better.
3 seems to be the norm.

No its not unless its for a caoilte let.

Federal 100gr do the job. Lots of people find them running too much with 80gr and 95 gr if you dont go for head/neck shots.

Tackleberrywho

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Just another quick question folks, regarding the deer licence.

- Do I only need 1 land permit for my application?

- Is the HCAP mandatory? If so what does it involve as I know nothing about it.

- Whats the best sized grain ammo people use with a .243?
Thanks,
John

I apply with one farm every year, but it is a large farm.
If you live in Wicklow any medium sized farm ill do, especially if in a heavily deer populated area.

If you apply now you could be shooting Deer in Jan Feb. Depending on GS and .243 Licence. NPWS will return your application in ~4 weeks.

ClarkyTrd

My RFD says I need a minimum of 100 acres, which is ok cause I have 120 acres for my application. I just heard that I might need 3 different land permits, so just needed to make sure.

Licence will be sent off this week so with a bit of luck we can do some shooting before the season ends.

Any info on the HCAP and on ammo for the .243??

garv123

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Any info on the HCAP and on ammo for the .243??

garv123 wrote: »

No its not unless its for a caoilte let.

Federal 100gr do the job. Lots of people find them running too much with 80gr and 95 gr if you dont go for head/neck shots.

:P

federal 100gr and no you dont need it unless your getting a caoilte let

Cass

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

My RFD says I need a minimum of 100 acres, which is ok cause I have 120 acres for my application. I just heard that I might need 3 different land permits, so just needed to make sure.

If its private land then a ranger will call you to ask some questions. They will also use records, experience to determine whether one permission of 100+ acres is adequate or whether they deem you need more land. If they think its not enough they might refuse the license. Its unlikely, but could happen. The more land permissions you can give the better.

Licence will be sent off this week so with a bit of luck we can do some shooting before the season ends.

You'd be surprised how quick the license comes through. This time of year most are done so there is no queue or backlog.

Any info on the HCAP and on ammo for the .243??

The HCAP is only for Coilte leased land as said above. If you are on private permissions you do not need the HCAP.

You can do it if you wish. It consists of a written exam, then a range test. The next ones aren't until next year.

Haven't had a ,243 in years so its been a while. i'll leave it to the lads with current experience of ammo to suggest a good round.

meathstevie

The amount of different landowners you need permission from is a bit irrelevant in my opinion.

The local Superintendent or whoever he/she has doing the groundwork in relation to issuing licences for firearms will have to be convinced that you have sufficient land to shoot over and for a high velocity centerfire rifle it has to be a bit more substantial than one or two fields the size of a big football pitch.

A couple of hundred acres appears to be the unwritten rule but ultimately what they have to go on is good reason for someone have a particular firearm and the applicants character and background. In this case the good reason obviously is a deer hunting licence from the NPWS.

If you can get the deer hunting permit and you've nothing dodgy hanging over you it will be a fairly straightforward matter.

And as for caliber choice, if you're anyway a bit of a straight shooter any of the deer legal calibers will work and do the job.

tomcat220t

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Re read the op Poulo,no offence to the op,but its his first deer calibre,i.e, not the right hands,i'd rather see an ill placed shot taken by a novice with buck fever delivered with a 130 grain .270 than a 100 grain .243,its a harder hitting more knock down powered round,end of story.
Not being cocky but i'm right ,end of.

Gut shoot your sika with a .270 and it still a runner :rolleyes:.Sure why not put a 300 win mag in the hands of a first timmer ....same debate !The .243 is more than enough gun for irish deer ...even for a first timmer ,end of .

Tackleberrywho

OP, study Deer anatomy and be able to consistantly put 3 rounds in a 1inch circle@100 yards prone, be able put 3 rounds.from the knee or shoulder into a 4 inch circle is the min accuracy levels you want to be at.

Your first few deer shoot prone, until Ur confidence grows.
Learn shot placement.

Lung/heart is a big target area, but animal can still run with this shot.Neck/head shooting requires all your markmanship and skill.

So not to be taken until you can 1/2 inch all day long at 100 yards.

.243 is well able for that accuracy.

Happy Hunting.

4200fps

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Not to insult .243 users,but the long and short of it is.........

its a GIRLS calibre.

Its grand for foxes and roe and muntys and ......chaps,but when you grow up and become a man ,you should get a .270.

Or a win mag ah the 243 would nock any deer as long as you shoot him in the right spot.seen a guy kill them with a hornet. he'd a .220 then for years and got a 243 now. i asked him how do you find it. he said its a good flat round.id love to get a deer licence soon

meathstevie

4200fps wrote: »

Or a win mag ah the 243 would nock any deer as long as you shoot him in the right spot.seen a guy kill them with a hornet. he'd a .220 then for years and got a 243 now. i asked him how do you find it. he said its a good flat round.id love to get a deer licence soon

You sure know how to wind a crank, I'll give you that.

meathstevie

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

OP, study Deer anatomy and be able to consistantly put 3 rounds in a 1inch circle@100 yards prone, be able put 3 rounds.from the knee or shoulder into a 4 inch circle is the min accuracy levels you want to be at.

Your first few deer shoot prone, until Ur confidence grows.
Learn shot placement.

Lung/heart is a big target area, but animal can still run with this shot.Neck/head shooting requires all your markmanship and skill.

So not to be taken until you can 1/2 inch all day long at 100 yards.

.243 is well able for that accuracy.

Happy Hunting.

Half inch at 100 yards all day long ? I reckon the Army Rangers have found their new marksmanship trainer

Tackleberrywho

meathstevie wrote: »

Half inch at 100 yards all day long ? I reckon the Army Rangers have found their new marksmanship trainer

Several of my close friends are in the ARW, we often compare notes

ClarkyTrd

Hi Folks,

Do I need to wait till my deer licence comes back to send that away with my rifle application or what?!

Sika98k

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Hi Folks,

Do I need to wait till my deer licence comes back to send that away with my rifle application or what?!

Yes,your deer licence must accompany your application.

ClarkyTrd

Cheers for the info guys, its all sorted now!

Deposit paid on a new Savage .243, Deer licence sent off to NPWS.

So hopefully it doesn't take too long

arrowloopboy

tomcat220t wrote: »

Gut shoot your sika with a .270 and it still a runner :rolleyes:.Sure why not put a 300 win mag in the hands of a first timmer ....same debate !The .243 is more than enough gun for irish deer ...even for a first timmer ,end of .

More than enough gun in the middle of an open 30 acre field or hill maybe,sikas,tight lanes and heavy cover on each side,you can keep yer little gun,wont be trading the .270 any time soon:D:D:D.
I know some of the most experienced Sika stalkers in the country(Wicklow),and as usuall,when i start something,i try to get informed by experts in what ever field i'm getting into(no point asking guys that are stalking 2 months;)or 2 years even),funny how they all reccomended the .270.

Form an orderly queue

tomcat220t

arrowloopboy wrote: »

More than enough gun in the middle of an open 30 acre field or hill maybe,sikas,tight lanes and heavy cover on each side,you can keep yer little gun,wont be trading the .270 any time soon:D:D:D.
I know some of the most experienced Sika stalkers in the country(Wicklow),and as usuall,when i start something,i try to get informed by experts in what ever field i'm getting into(no point asking guys that are stalking 2 months;)or 2 years even),funny how they all reccomended the .270.

Form an orderly queue

I have listened to some of your so called most experienced (wicklow ) stalkers :o.They are self appointed experts ,imo.If you want to list logic reasons for the .270 over the .243, please do .They sit there all knowing ....would not use this ,would not use that ,bigger is better ,poachers this and poachers that ...and your so called (self appointed expert ) gets marched off the national park last year with his .270.You go back to your expert and ask about that :eek:.

Tackleberrywho

arrowloopboy wrote: »

More than enough gun in the middle of an open 30 acre field or hill maybe,sikas,tight lanes and heavy cover on each side,you can keep yer little gun,wont be trading the .270 any time soon:D:D:D.
I know some of the most experienced Sika stalkers in the country(Wicklow),and as usuall,when i start something,i try to get informed by experts in what ever field i'm getting into(no point asking guys that are stalking 2 months;)or 2 years even),funny how they all reccomended the .270.

Form an orderly queue

Thats because 10 years ago there was no .308, 6XC, and .30-06 etc.

When I started stalking there was only .243 .22-250, 6.5x55.5.6x57 and That was about it.


Now fellas want Win Mags!

I've not seen a deer get up after a .308 yet.

ClarkyTrd

Lads if ya's want to compare rifles, start a new thread.

My thread is here for info on the deer licence, not what gun is better.

And as said above, the .243 is more than capable of putting any deer on the deck. It's down to the person using the rifle, not who's got the biggest rifle bla bla bla....

Tackleberrywho

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Lads if ya's want to compare rifles, start a new thread.

My thread is here for info on the deer licence, not what gun is better.

And as said above, the .243 is more than capable of putting any deer on the deck. It's down to the person using the rifle, not who's got the biggest rifle bla bla bla....

Insulting a mans Rifle is like calling his woman Fat lol

Best of luck in the Deer game, it is a steep learning curve. Easiest part is squeezing off a round.

ClarkyTrd

hahaha i like it !!

gonna need lots of practice before we go out in the field but we should get on fine.

will keep ya's updated about it all anyway, cheers for all the help

John

arrowloopboy

tomcat220t wrote: »

I have listened to some of your so called most experienced (wicklow ) stalkers :o.They are self appointed experts ,imo.If you want to list logic reasons for the .270 over the .243, please do .They sit there all knowing ....would not use this ,would not use that ,bigger is better ,poachers this and poachers that ...and your so called (self appointed expert ) gets marched off the national park last year with his .270.You go back to your expert and ask about that :eek:.

Very interested in finding out which man your on about,none of the cute hures mentioned anything like that:D,go on,pm me his innitals,for a bit of slagging if nothing else.

p.s appologies to the Clarky,for the sub "Discussion" on his thread:D.

tomcat220t

arrowloopboy wrote: »

Very interested in finding out which man your on about,none of the cute hures mentioned anything like that:D,go on,pm me his innitals,for a bit of slagging if nothing else.

p.s appologies to the Clarky,for the sub "Discussion" on his thread:D.

You and i both know exactly who we are referring to,end of
@ OP ,very best of luck with your .243 ...hope to see photos of it up soon :cool:

steyrprohunter

The best of luck with your hunting application, ts a truly wonderful past-time to be involved in. One word of thought on calibres- Any gun will kill any deer anywhere in the world, .22 - .500 nitro express!! So long as placement is correct. The .243 is a wonderful calibre to shoot. Ive just been reading an article in a magazine I bought in the states about a guy whose shoulder was badly damaged in the gulf war. He still wanted to hunt deer so hes now using a .410 firing slugs. Reason being the light recoil on his damaged shoulder. The results are impressive from 50-70 yds. Point being- every legal calibre will do the job!! Enjoy the stalking!