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Gaining muscle

  • 29-09-2011 8:53pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭


    Lads im a very fit lad, but I find it hard to gain muscle as im a skinny build. I eat right and exercise regularly. im just wonder what the best supplement to take for gaining muscle?

    WF


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dave80


    Lads im a very fit lad, but I find it hard to gain muscle as im a skinny build. I eat right and exercise regularly. im just wonder what the best supplement to take for gaining muscle?

    WF

    Ur not eating enough, eat more!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭audi a4 2008


    as dave80 said u must eat more and more.buy youreself a good mass gainer have 2/3 shakes a day with a good diet u will start to put on muscle mass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    He doesn't need a mass gainer. That just protein and carbs. nothing special and nothign that he can't get from food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭gustafo


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    jesus that's some feeding on eggs you do


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭boomtown84


    28 eggs, 6 turkey breasts and 4 shakes with milk.......and an extra pint of milk.....daily?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭marathonic


    I think you need to cut out the middle man and get yourself a chicken coop :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭Thud


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    Do you have your own chicken coop?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    haha....no...no chicken coop...although its a bloody good idea:)

    I get the egg whites from the milkman...sound bloke!!!, he gets me 5 litre buckets of pasteaurised egg white and i measure out from there!

    The whole eggs you can find pretty cheap from place to place.......id say for the price of a large bag of mutant mass you could get a whole lotta eggs :D

    The milk was just a recent development, normally id use water but i have a month of muscle gain left and i tend to panic and try fit as many calories as i can in.......dont think it'll do me any harm...i hope

    and yes boomtown...thats daily........but i draw the line at that, i aint gonna be setting a 3am alarm to eat eggs or nothing:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭boomtown84


    xgtdec wrote: »
    and yes boomtown...thats daily........but i draw the line at that, i aint gonna be setting a 3am alarm to eat eggs or nothing:D

    well at least you don't go too mad i suppose!:rolleyes:
    what do you weigh?you might as well throw half that protein out the window for all the muscle building it's doing....no way it's being absorbed.
    save yourself some money and replace it with carbs.....actually, donate to me as i'm skint!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    at the moment i weigh 102 Kg, the absorbtion rate i can understand, but i come from a very fat backround:o....so i still have mental issues with carbs:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    You eat 20 whole eggs a day?!

    How bad are your farts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    jugger0 wrote: »
    You eat 20 whole eggs a day?!

    How bad are your farts?

    would you like one in a jar...actually, i dont think i'd find a jar to hold one:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    xgtdec wrote: »
    would you like one in a jar...actually, i dont think i'd find a jar to hold one:D

    Also - stats? (not on your farts :D)

    You deserve to be huge, shredded and strong eating like that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    I just think that's morally wrong. There are people starving in the world. What's the point in being that big? Get over yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭marathonic


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    I just think that's morally wrong. There are people starving in the world. What's the point in being that big? Get over yourself.

    No point hopping on that moral high horse. It's not as if, by eating 3 eggs instead of 28, the other 25 are going to make their way to third world countries.

    Looking at it from another point of view, he's keeping food on the tables of the chicken farmers who, otherwise, would have stockpiles of bad eggs :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 318 ✭✭chris139ryan


    jesus that some eating every day. isnt that amount of eggs bad for you due to the high cholesterol level of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    Hanley wrote: »
    Also - stats? (not on your farts :D)

    You deserve to be huge, shredded and strong eating like that.

    you would think so wouldnt ya:)

    but im not...someday i will be but not right now unfortunately

    as for stats...well pretty unimpressive for that type of food

    My aim for this muscle build period was to bench 100kg for reps...im now doing that
    im scared ****less of deadlifts and back injuries so i steer clear

    I squat (on a good day) 180 for 3

    total pull ups...4

    but becasue im 5,9 i just look fat:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    I just think that's morally wrong. There are people starving in the world. What's the point in being that big? Get over yourself.


    what i wouldnt give for those peoples fat%.....sorry..was that too much?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    jesus that some eating every day. isnt that amount of eggs bad for you due to the high cholesterol level of them

    to my limited knowledge its a differant kind of cholesterol so its maybe not ok...but not that bad either


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭wersal gummage


    OP - i dont think you need to eat 28 eggs and a few turkeys each day or whatever !!! Although it would be tempting to try it !!

    You should work out your body weight and then work out how many grammes of protein you need based on that - there is a lot of info on this on the net if you search for it. Also you need to get the right balance of fats, protein and carbs - again - all out there on the net. Fiddle around and see what works for you. You need to be taking in more calories each day than you burn off - so you need to work out what you are currently consuming, what you are burning off and see where you stand. If you are adding weight, you obviously need to be taking in more than you are burning off - perhaps by a thousand calories or so. You only need protein shakes etc if you cannot get sufficient amount of protein from real food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭wersal gummage


    also - 'exercise regularly' doesn't equate to building muscle.

    what exactly does this entail ?? if you put up what exact training you are doing some other lads might give you some suggestions. I see a lot of skinny lads over the years and they are nearly always doing things like bicep curls etc - you need to be hitting all the big compound lifts. Good luck with it. Also keep a diary - and get your bodyfat percentage taken. It is easy to think you are not making any progress if you dont keep a diary of your results.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    eat big
    lift big and do these
    deadlift
    deep squats
    bench press
    pullups
    pressups
    press

    everything else is for after

    also eat big


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    You people are crazy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    liam h says we're all a little crazy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gymsoldier


    xgtdec wrote: »
    to my limited knowledge its a differant kind of cholesterol so its maybe not ok...but not that bad either

    There are plenty of different types, the two main ones people are concern with are HDL and LDL. LDL being considered the "bad" one.

    The ironic thing is that cholesterol is needed for bile production (bile breaks down fats), and cholesterol is only found in fats (sure its a form of fat itself).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Mellor wrote: »
    He doesn't need a mass gainer. That just protein and carbs. nothing special and nothign that he can't get from food.

    This is obviously true,weight gainers are a handy option to add a few hundred cals without turning on the stove thats the novelty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭rolexeagle1


    Agree with Trigger!

    Lift about 70% your max lift for 8-12 reps, keep to the compound big movements his listed, get your protein and carbs in. Loads of sleep, and dont skip those meals!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    You must have some metabolism fair play,its time consuming eating like that,did it a few years back either cooking food or eating it or thinking about eating it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    srumball wrote: »
    Agree with Trigger!

    Lift about 70% your max lift for 8-12 reps, keep to the compound big movements his listed, get your protein and carbs in. Loads of sleep, and dont skip those meals!!

    Tigger :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭rolexeagle1


    hahaha, my bad!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭cork_buoy


    Hi,

    I'm like you OP. I'm a skinny build too and struggled to gain. I need to eat a lot of calories. However I have managed to gain some muscle... thanks partially to oats & whey. I have oats and whey 3 times a day. Add some peanut butter to the mix for some extra calories. I eat 3x eggs for breakfast, oats and whey at 11.30, a proper lunch with slow burning carbs and meat, oats and whey at 4 and workout at 6.30pm. I have oats with whey post workout and a proper dinner when I get home. I have started to supplement with casein before bed and I'm noticing more gains.

    Adding 100g oats to your protein shakes is cheap (1kg oats= 79c in tesco). Grind them up in a blender. Store them in an empty protein tub. Add scoop of 100g to each shake - a great source of slow burning cabs and especially good for your pre-workout meal. It's a good source of fibre and lowers cholesterol at the same time too.

    This is based on my own experiences, I am not a qualified health professional.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 fitflip


    Lads im a very fit lad, but I find it hard to gain muscle as im a skinny build. I eat right and exercise regularly. im just wonder what the best supplement to take for gaining muscle?

    WF

    You need to change your training plan, fitness needs to change to being weights fit. Focus on hytrophy(muscle building) in conjunction with increasing your eating volumes. Dont worry about trying to remain toned while you bulk, build up eat up bulk up, when you increase your mass you can then work on cutting the excess body fat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭few cans?


    i loves me an egg but that is just ridicolous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭marathonic


    Just bought 30 eggs for 3 euro yesterday. Where else could you massively overindulge in a healthy food for 3 euro :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    xgtdec wrote: »
    ah the good ol eat more....i love my muscle build phases...cause i love eating!! heres my daily diet for muscle build, ya might be able to compare against yours and go from there

    Breakfast 7am
    100g porridge
    8 egg whites
    scoop myofusion
    200ml milk
    all blended and drank

    10am
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Lunch 1pm
    3-6 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    brown rice
    assorted greens
    pint of milk

    4pm
    3 eggs with turkey breast
    myfusion shake with milk

    Dinner 7pm
    5-8 eggs
    2 turkey breasts
    assorted greens
    muller light

    around 9pm i have a casein shake and am in bed at 10,


    I find its working for me at the moment, hope it helps!!

    And people think lifting weights is the hard part.

    Don't know how you can have so many Myofusion shakes. That stuff tears the gut of me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    marathonic wrote: »
    Just bought 30 eggs for 3 euro yesterday. Where else could you massively overindulge in a healthy food for 3 euro :D

    Where?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Hanley wrote: »
    marathonic wrote: »
    Just bought 30 eggs for 3 euro yesterday. Where else could you massively overindulge in a healthy food for 3 euro :D

    Where?!

    I don't about 30 for €3 but FX Buckleys on moore st usually do deals on 24 eggs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    And people think lifting weights is the hard part.

    Don't know how you can have so many Myofusion shakes. That stuff tears the gut of me.

    ha ha
    so true..i mean lifting is hard all right but ya kinda look forward to your training sessions.....after 3 meals and heading for your 4th its kinda hard to get excited about another turkey breast......soon HP sauce is like its sent from god:D

    The myofision is a recent thing, i was always an ON whey and casein kinda guy, but i said i'd mix it up and change to myfusion....i like the taste(milk chocolate) and it mixes well, and is 5 quid cheaper...nothing to lose i guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭marathonic


    Hanley wrote: »
    Where?!

    I'm in Donegal. They're a lot more expensive in normal shops but there's farm trailers along a lot of roads that sell eggs, potatoes, etc.

    About 1.20 per dozen is about the standard rate off the farmers trailers.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    Okay by my estimation you're eating circa 7,000kcal per day. N'est pas? That's approximately X3 your consumption for a man your height.

    Now I don't want to call horsepucky, but I think you're either not eating as much as you think you are, or you're just getting fat. I know guys who are moving the same numbers as you on almost a third of the food.

    Discuss.

    Yours,
    The Sceptic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Okay by my estimation you're eating circa 7,000kcal per day. N'est pas? That's approximately X3 your consumption for a man your height.

    Now I don't want to call horsepucky, but I think you're either not eating as much as you think you are, or you're just getting fat. I know guys who are moving the same numbers as you on almost a third of the food.

    Discuss.

    Yours,
    The Sceptic.

    You should probably just stick to calculating mat time and stay away from estimating kcals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    As barry said that amount of food is ridiculous. You are gonna get fat. I know, I was that soldier.

    I've lost an awful lot of faith in the idea that you need all this food to get strong. I gave up on protein a long time ago (as the be all and end all it's portrayed as). Now I'm hitting PRs week to week and I'm eating mostly ham and coleslaw sandwiches.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    Hanley wrote: »
    You should probably just stick to calculating mat time and stay away from estimating kcals.

    I should state it was a guesstimation based on guessing and estimation. If you'd like to go ahead and do better with an actual calculator be my guest.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    I should state it was a guesstimation based on guessing and estimation. If you'd like to go ahead and do better with an actual calculator be my guest.

    It's probably closer than my "a sh*t ton" estimation in fairness!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    I'm going by the logic of "eat for the size you want to be"

    it seems to be working, i have another month of it before a 3 month cutting phase, its possible i could eat a lot less and lift the same, im no expert on this stuff, all i do know is that i have my goals clearly laid out, this is what im doing to acheive them, and so far its working, is that not what its all about??, finding what works for you and going with it......

    if i found someone eating twice as much as me and getting results i'd say fair play, if i found someone eating a quarter of my amount and getting results i'd say fair play, but of course congratulating people on the efforts they put in to reach their goals will never be an Irish thing.....In Ireland there will ALWAYS be "The Sceptic"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    xgtdec wrote: »
    I'm going by the logic of "eat for the size you want to be"

    it seems to be working, i have another month of it before a 3 month cutting phase, its possible i could eat a lot less and lift the same, im no expert on this stuff, all i do know is that i have my goals clearly laid out, this is what im doing to acheive them, and so far its working, is that not what its all about??, finding what works for you and going with it......

    if i found someone eating twice as much as me and getting results i'd say fair play, if i found someone eating a quarter of my amount and getting results i'd say fair play, but of course congratulating people on the efforts they put in to reach their goals will never be an Irish thing.....In Ireland there will ALWAYS be "The Sceptic"

    Ask Liam_Henners how eating a MASSIVE amount of kcals to get big and strong followed by a long cut works out. There's nothing wrong with eating to gain, but your body DOES posses a limited protein synthesis ability, once you hit that mark, eating beyond it won't do anything other than add fat. Now everyone's point is different, so it's largely going to be a personal thing you need to play about with to find that level. And obviously as you get more muscular a great number of kcals are required to sustain the LBM you do have plus the new stuff you're trying to grow - that's why you see massive dudes eating massive kcals. You're not massive, so you don't need to eat to sustain muscle you don't have. Get me?

    No one is trying to run you down for going after goals, they're just trying to save you the hassle of dedicating a large amount of time, money and effort to something ends up getting you nowhere.

    But hey, if you're more concerned with a pat on the back than useful advice, then here we go...

    *pat pat* :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    xgtdec wrote: »
    I'm going by the logic of "eat for the size you want to be"
    Well you can't turn all the protein you're eating into new tissue. It just doesn't work like that.
    it seems to be working, i have another month of it before a 3 month cutting phase, its possible i could eat a lot less and lift the same, im no expert on this stuff, all i do know is that i have my goals clearly laid out, this is what im doing to acheive them, and so far its working, is that not what its all about??, finding what works for you and going with it......
    Well it is and it isn't. I mean we can all come up with things we think are working for us, but in reality we're just telling ourselves that they are because we've invested time and effort into them.
    if i found someone eating twice as much as me and getting results i'd say fair play, if i found someone eating a quarter of my amount and getting results i'd say fair play, but of course congratulating people on the efforts they put in to reach their goals will never be an Irish thing.....
    My friend if you're eating that much it's your business. But then again, you posted it, and this is a public forum, so it's not just your business anymore. I know a little about nutrition and exercise and I look at what you posted and your rudimentary stats and I'm saying the numbers don't add up. Now if you wanted people to just pat you on the back you should just hide my comments and all will be right with the world.

    The OP wants to gain muscle, you posted this advice, I say it's not good advice.
    In Ireland there will ALWAYS be "The Sceptic"
    We're everywhere, not just in Ireland, and we're coming for your self esteem...

    Seriously though, you say sceptic like it's a bad thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    xgtdec wrote: »
    I'm going by the logic of "eat for the size you want to be"

    Flawed logic though. This will make you fat. If you eat like a 120kg strongman because that's what you want to be but you weigh 80kg and are just starting out you're going to get to 120kg alright but you wont be a strongman.

    Strength and size takes time to develop, so too should the amount of food you put in your mouth.

    I understand the attraction of it though, like I said I did it myself. You feel that if you thow yourself into this hardcore diet you're proving your dedication and rising above all the other "ordinary" gym goers. The problem is it really results in too much weight gain.

    Sorry to be picking on you for saying something that's a pretty popular idea as far as strength training goes. Just pointing out the flaws is all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭xgtdec


    Hanley wrote: »

    But hey, if you're more concerned with a pat on the back than useful advice, then here we go...

    *pat pat* :)

    never before have i appreciated a pat pat like this one:p

    I guess i could use the next month and trim the food down and down, but just like when im cutting i worry about not eating enough to keep my muscle, and when i want to build i worry about not eating enough, i imagine my way of doing it so far is that if i eat the way i do ill without doubt be eating enough and the excess fat i put on is easily taken off in the fisrt month of cut......and i am prepared to make that sacrifice, but im also prepared to listen to advice for thats how we all learn, so ill trim my food and see how it goes.......does anyone need any eggs?


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