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Star Trek: TNG confirmed for Bluray

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  • #152
    sky23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭sky23


    downwithpeace wrote: »
    It's kind of funny, in a not so funny way, that Season 1 had the well documented screw up on sound and now Season 2 is going to have overly viewable model ships.

    Edit: My Blu-Rays came today :)

    say whaaat. how did you get it already :confused: its not released until 10th dec


  • #153
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    No Season 1, just updating from my post above about ordering.
    Lack of clarity due to enthusiasm about arrival.


  • #154
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    No Season 1, just updating from my post above about ordering.

    Lower the shields & cancel Red Alert.


  • #155
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    Just finished Encounter at Farpoint and wow that was good, it actually felt like watching a new fresh episode rather then a re-watch.


  • #156
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    downwithpeace wrote: »
    Just finished Encounter at Farpoint and wow that was good, it actually felt like watching a new fresh episode rather then a re-watch.

    I felt the same, it feels totally different watching in HD, after years of smudge & blur


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  • #157
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    EnterNow wrote: »
    I felt the same, it feels totally different watching in HD, after years of smudge & blur

    When Tasha Yar attacks the Solider that shoots at her feet during the Q trial the person doing that attacking is now so much clearer that it appears to be a stunt double.


  • #158
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    I think this says it all as to the difference between season one and two's special effects:

    Season one:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x21/thearsenaloffreedom_hd_123.jpg

    Season two:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review23.jpg

    :(


  • #159
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    I think this says it all as to the difference between season one and two's special effects:

    Season one:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x21/thearsenaloffreedom_hd_123.jpg

    Season two:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review23.jpg

    :(

    Ouch! Thats pretty stark isn't it :(

    What a balls up to make, of all the shows.


  • #160
    downwithpeace
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    I think this says it all as to the difference between season one and two's special effects:
    :(

    How the hell did that pass quality control, it looks like a badly sharpened DVD release.


  • #161
    Myrddin
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    Jesus the more I look at it, the worse it gets. It's barely any better than the dvd. The ship itself is a blurred & smudged mess compared to the S1 shot :mad:


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  • #162
    filmbuffboy
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    If you think thats bad look at this:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/wheresilence_probe.jpg

    it looks so very fake!

    this is one of my faves to show how laughable the effort that went into the second season is

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review14.jpg

    the light is coming from the right onto the planet, but is coming from the left across the ships.

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review22.jpg

    this isnt sooo bad, but still - it looks kinda blurry.

    i dont like this either, its lacks the detail and POP that FX from season one had.

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review34.jpg

    THIS I LOVE:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/qwho_borgcube_hd.jpg

    All in all, the effects are very underwhelming.

    thats what you get for outsourcing CBS!


  • #163
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    1; Looks like something made on DX11 for high end gaming graphics.
    2; Lacks a lot of Enterprise detail.
    3; Not sure, ships look very like models but it might be down to still image.
    4; Again lacking detail, might be the image but doubtful looking at the Deflector.
    5; That cube done to the standards of Season 1 would have knocked me off my seat.


  • #164
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    If you think thats bad look at this:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/wheresilence_probe.jpg

    it looks so very fake!

    Ah cmon, there no way thats a model. Thats way too fake to be a model, it has to be an artistic rendition or something,
    this is one of my faves to show how laughable the effort that went into the second season is

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review14.jpg

    the light is coming from the right onto the planet, but is coming from the left across the ships.

    Barely looks any different to the dvd...and far from 1080p. The shuttle really looks like a toy in that shot too.
    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review22.jpg

    this isnt sooo bad, but still - it looks kinda blurry.

    The nose of the Warbird looks nice, the starboard nacelle area though is still a blurred mess. The Enterprise isn't much better than dvd quality there either.
    i dont like this either, its lacks the detail and POP that FX from season one had.

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review34.jpg

    Looks pretty cack alright...the deflector looks touched up, not much else.
    THIS I LOVE:

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/qwho_borgcube_hd.jpg

    The inside of a Cube in HD...how could it possibly be bad :cool:

    Not happy! :(


  • #165
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Ah cmon, there no way thats a model. Thats way too fake to be a model, it has to be an artistic rendition or something,

    I had a similar thought on the Farpoint planet being a watercolour or something artistically done, at least it looked good.


  • #166
    filmbuffboy
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    the more I look at these stills the more pissed off I become.

    Most fans would have happily waited another six months for CBS to do things PROPERLY & CONSISTENTLY!


  • #167
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    the more I look at these stills the more pissed off I become.

    Most fans would have happily waited another six months for CBS to do things PROPERLY & CONSISTENTLY!

    Its all money saving no doubt, very disappointing. How they signed off on this beggars belief. We've waited this long, why not just do the job right once & for all?


  • #168
    filmbuffboy
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    I just hope seasons 3-7 remain consistent and at the level season 1 recieved.

    whats the point in remastering if quality is going to be uneven from season to season?????


  • #169
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    I just hope seasons 3-7 remain consistent and at the level season 1 recieved.

    whats the point in remastering if quality is going to be uneven from season to season?????

    Yeah its fairly unprofessional. Are they gonna do S3 in-house now did you mention?


  • #170
    filmbuffboy
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    Season 3 inhouse.

    Season 4 - apparently is going to be outsourced to same company that did 2.

    Season 5 - inhouse.

    Season 6 - outsourced.

    Season 7 - inhouse.

    i dont know how definite this is. this is what ive been reading from fan comments on trekcore.

    apparently theres been rumours that theyve cut ties with the outsourced company but not sure how true that is either.

    it would be HORRIFIC if part one of BOBW in season 3 got the royal treatment and then given the part 2 in season 4 was given the same level of care as season 2.

    time will tell anyways but CBS are said to read fan comments on trekcore so im leaving a strong message that if they quality for future seasons is as season 2 is then I WONT BE BUYING. and i mean that.

    id rather watch the dvds. theyre crappy but at least, consistently so!


  • #171
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    Season 4 - apparently is going to be outsourced to same company that did 2.

    FFS...BoBW????


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  • #172
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    dont quote me on that.

    ive read conflicting reports online, some saying CBS have cut ties with the outsourced company. some saying that they still have a contract with them. time will tell anyways.

    im holding final judgement until i see season 2 in motion. it might not be half as bad when the pics are moving.

    trekcore said the quality is a mixed bag, but that the most important episodes were given extra care and attention.

    its still not good enough though considering the EPICNESS of season one.


  • #173
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    There might be some toss up on CBS finance bosses on having to pay out a contract cancellation fee with the Season 2 HD creators or just going with it knowing the quality reduction could cost them on units sold.

    At the end of the day, they're not cheap for the consumer so quality should be a vocal concern.


  • #174
    downwithpeace
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    FFS...BoBW????

    The Best of Both Worlds.


  • #175
    Sad Professor
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    Aside from excessive DNR, those upscaled shots (like the one of the shuttle) don't look so bad. I'd rather they use the original elements as much as possible, even if it means working off video mastertapes. Re-creating shots using CGI is always going to produce potentially dodgy results no matter who is doing them. I don't really care the CGI replacement stuff in season 1. It looks too good.


  • #176
    Myrddin
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    downwithpeace wrote: »
    The Best of Both Worlds.

    FFS...TBoBW!!!!
    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Aside from excessive DNR, those upscaled shots (like the one of the shuttle) don't look so bad. I'd rather they use the original elements as much as possible, even if it means working off video mastertapes. Re-creating shots using CGI is always going to produce potentially dodgy results no matter who is doing them. I don't really care the CGI replacement stuff in season 1. It looks too good.

    There's a marked reduction in quality when comparing the two, season 1 simply looks far superior...cgi or no cgi :(


  • #177
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Season-2-Blu-ray/44210/#Screenshots

    blu-ray.com have their review of season 2 up. interesting to compare it to trekcore's review of same.

    Season one:

    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=30939&position=7

    Season two:

    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=44210&position=5

    says it all really. season two as can be seen from the stills still looks great on the whole. its just a pity it wasnt given that extra little love season one got.

    still looking forward to getting it though!!!

    first day off i have after exams im having a friend over and were watching as much of it as we can in a day! :D


  • #178
    Myrddin
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    Those comparison shots definitely look a little better


  • #179
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    Its been confirmed by TrekCore that HTV, the company CBS hired to outsource the effects work on season 2, will NOT be re-hired for future seasons.

    Whats puzzling is that TrekCore have mentioned that CBS have hired a different outsourced company to work on Season 4.

    I just hope its not a repeat of the same, again!


  • #180
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    Its been confirmed by TrekCore that HTV, the company CBS hired to outsource the effects work on season 2, will NOT be re-hired for future seasons.

    Whats puzzling is that TrekCore have mentioned that CBS have hired a different outsourced company to work on Season 4.

    I just hope its not a repeat of the same, again!

    Hopefully the company used has some high standard past experience, be nice too if they're Trek fans.


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  • #181
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    So this shot has popped up online from a still from the remastered season 2.

    have a look at the top right hand corner.

    seriously lads, after seeing this Im honestly thinking of cancelling my pre order.

    its just SHABBY workmanship!

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/392/3853/original.jpg


  • #182
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    If it's not bad enough that the Enterprise looks like something ripped out of Star Trek Legacy they actually managed to incorrectly place the cropped ship over the planet.

    If that's not a faked image then that company just sucks.


  • #183
    filmbuffboy
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    Im so shocked that it passed quality control.

    Im cancelling my preorder and waiting for fan feedback on the set before forking out 70 euros.

    how blu-ray.com gave the sets picture quality 5 stars with that shot included confuses me..


  • #184
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    I've not pre-ordered so if Season 2 manages to get a good discount in the January sales I might get it but that's depending on user reviews after it's officially released.


  • #185
    Myrddin
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    Wow, dreadful stuff if thats a final shot :mad:


  • #186
    filmbuffboy
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    So what with the second season being released in the U.S today (we have to wait until next week), Trekcore have posted a selection of stills from the 1st episode 'The Child'. Some of the shots actually look pretty good, not reaching the level of season one's effects but still good. But in the same episode some of the VFX shots look washed out. A pity. Will be interesting to guage fan reaction in the U.S over the coming days.

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_223.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_224.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_247.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_248.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_250.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_338.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_348.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_352.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_360.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_392.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_443.jpg

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_445.jpg

    And one final comparison shot between S1 & S2. S 2 shot looks pretty good until you see the difference lol. but all in all, not a complete disaster.

    S 2: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x01/thechild_hd_223.jpg

    S1: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x25/conspiracy_hd_305.jpg


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  • #187
    Myrddin
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    Rather than being converted, it just looks upscaled & smudgy. There's a very big difference in the contrast between the two :(


  • #188
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    OOOOOOH..... SEASON 3 TRAILER IN HD POSTED ONLINE.

    If anything it looks BETTER than Season One did!

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/05122012_s3trailer.html


  • #189
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    OOOOOOH..... SEASON 3 TRAILER IN HD POSTED ONLINE.

    If anything it looks BETTER than Season One did!

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/05122012_s3trailer.html

    I'll post as soon as I pick my jaw off the floor :eek:


  • #190
    filmbuffboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 894 ✭✭✭filmbuffboy


    EnterNow wrote: »
    I'll post as soon as I pick my jaw off the floor :eek:

    I've watched it 4 times already lol. It actually looks as if it was made yesterday!


  • #191
    Myrddin
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    I've watched it 4 times already lol. It actually looks as if it was made yesterday!

    Although I know the episodes, it feels like I dont when I see them like that. Its unbelievable how good it looks :cool:


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  • #192
    Sad Professor
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    Looks good, although it's a shame the cinematography took such a dive after the second season. The first two seasons had such a distinctive look.


  • #193
    Kirby
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    "You have ruined our summer!" :p


  • #194
    Myrddin
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    Embedded epicness



  • #195
    downwithpeace
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    Kirby wrote: »
    "You have ruined our summer!" :p

    The way these releases are timed it will probably happen again :p


  • #196
    filmbuffboy
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    another blunder has been spotted by a fan watching season 2- look to the right of the frame and look closely. this time not nearly as bad as the last, but still there nonetheless. Thank God the outsourced company have been fired and wont be involved in any future seasons

    http://i.imgur.com/Aw2IV.jpg


  • #197
    Kirby
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    another blunder has been spotted by a fan watching season 2- look to the right of the frame and look closely. this time not nearly as bad as the last, but still there nonetheless. Thank God the outsourced company have been fired and wont be involved in any future seasons

    http://i.imgur.com/Aw2IV.jpg

    :eek: How does that get through quality control? I mean for the love of god.

    Yes, it's small and in motion most people probably wont notice......but is that the point? I mean what about professional pride and standards?


  • #198
    downwithpeace
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    another blunder has been spotted by a fan watching season 2- look to the right of the frame and look closely. this time not nearly as bad as the last, but still there nonetheless. Thank God the outsourced company have been fired and wont be involved in any future seasons

    http://i.imgur.com/Aw2IV.jpg[url][/url]

    Nothing would surprise me in season 2 after the last ship cropping.


  • #199
    filmbuffboy
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    The annoying thing is there will be no disc replacement program like there was with S1. Because the flaws in season 2 are infrequent, regardless of how obvious they are, CBS would see it as too cost prohibitive to do it. I just hope whatever company is working on Season 4 will keep things CONSISTENT and to the look of seasons 1&3!!!


  • #200
    Kirby
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    filmbuffboy wrote: »
    The annoying thing is there will be no disc replacement program like there was with S1. Because the flaws in season 2 are infrequent, regardless of how obvious they are, CBS would see it as too cost prohibitive to do it. I just hope whatever company is working on Season 4 will keep things CONSISTENT and to the look of seasons 1&3!!!

    I would imagine alot of the assets, software and techniques from seasons 1 and 3 would be forwareded to the season 4 crowd. It seems to me as if the season 2 crowd were working from scratch.


  • #201
    filmbuffboy
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    Kirby wrote: »
    I would imagine alot of the assets, software and techniques from seasons 1 and 3 would be forwareded to the season 4 crowd. It seems to me as if the season 2 crowd were working from scratch.


    If that's the case then CBS are as much to blame as HTV (the outsourced company) are. CBS should have given them as much help as possible so this didnt happen. exact same VFX shot, done from scratch by HTV

    Season 1

    http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x21/thearsenaloffreedom_hd_123.jpg

    Season 2

    http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s2review/review23.jpg


    Why that shot wasn't simply ported over to save the second team a lot of work is an absolute mystery!


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