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Amanda Knox

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  • #332
    nagirrac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭nagirrac


    Thrill wrote: »
    It was in the papers also.

    Under Italian law they are supposed to tape suspects,either audio or Audio and video.

    When asked for the tapes of the interrogation, the police said they did not exist.

    and ensure an attorney is present if someone is considered a suspect!
    She was railroaded plain and simple.


  • #333
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    The media made a massive deal out of her sex life, according to them she was listing out all her lovers in her diary and talking about what she'd done with them.

    Real story: They tested her 3 times for HIV and a prison doctor told she she was in fact HIV positive, they told her she'd need to write out a list of all the men she'd slept with, there was 7 men altogether, not just in Italy but altogether. She also had to say whether they'd used contraception etc.

    Not only that but there are stories that the prison doctor who told her she was HIV positive was in fact just a police officer pretending to be a doctor!
    With the corruption and lies told by the police I wouldn't doubt that for a second that they would try such an unethical tactic.

    The media used this and made out that she was a sex obsessed maniac.


  • #334
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Yahew wrote: »
    Lol. FFS the only conspiracy believer and well poisoner here is you.

    The "conspiracy theory" is the fact of the Supreme Court judgement of her confession being forced, which you deny merely because it is in wiki. And which you clearly heard about for the first time today ( a peck on the cheek of her boyfriend proving her guilt in your tabloid mind).

    nagirrac makes the same point. The confession was not admitted in Court.

    However the same jury heard the slander trial. ( Which is absurd, of course).


    Right. I'll let you get back to updating the Know Wiki then shall I?:D


  • #335
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Right. I'll let you get back to updating the Know Wiki then shall I?:D
    Read the citations. Jesus.


  • #336
    nagirrac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭nagirrac


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Apologies but how long did you say that report was again?

    No problem.
    400 pages. There's a link to it on this thread, the relevant pages are 78 - 82.


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  • #337
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Giblet wrote: »
    Read the citations. Jesus.

    Again. I don't do Wiki.


  • #338
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Read back over what I have previously said. Why do you think she isn't?

    I'm not being annoying but its important to provide a definition:

    A sociopath is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

    Given that she had plenty of friends, had a very social personality, no evidence of having committed any crimes, and no evidence of having revelled in any crimes; I think I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.


  • #339
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Again. I don't do Wiki.
    Do you cover you ears when people tell you things too?


  • #340
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    nagirrac wrote: »
    No problem.
    400 pages. There's a link to it on this thread, the relevant pages are 78 - 82.

    Cool thanks, I'll actually try and have a proper read of that when I get a chance.


  • #341
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    I'm not being annoying but its important to provide a definition:

    A sociopath is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

    Given that she had plenty of friends, had a very social personality, no evidence of having committed any crimes, and no evidence of having revelled in any crimes; I think I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Again, She should have been properly assessed. But we will never know now.


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  • #342
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Giblet wrote: »
    Do you cover you ears when people tell you things too?

    Only when it's nonsense. I'm typing this with my nose you may be interested to hear.


  • #343
    4leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭4leto


    Just read she has to pay 22000 to the barman she falsely accused,,

    Jaysus how much will the Italian government have to pay her,


  • #344
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    4leto wrote: »
    Just read she has to pay 22000 to the barman she falsely accused,,

    Jaysus how much will the Italian government have to pay her,

    I think she will have to take a civil action against them. If it's successful, it will be enormous.


  • #345
    Sungodbr
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 102 ✭✭Sungodbr


    4leto wrote: »
    Just read she has to pay 22000 to the barman she falsely accused,,

    Jaysus how much will the Italian government have to pay her,

    500,000 Euro for wrong murder conviction is the payment they owe her now


  • #346
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Only when it's nonsense. I'm typing this with my nose you may be interested to hear.

    It's only nonsense when it's not backed up by anything. Fortunately wiki allows users to add citations to any claims, which can be verified, they even cite the very document you are about to read. Now, you can sit there and say "Ah sure anyone can edit it, so I don't do", but as anyone with a brain can understand, just because a information aggregation site can be edited by anyone, it's base functionality provides the ability to verify it's claims, and you too can successfully navigate a wiki and gleam the appropriate information from it. It's easier to say it's all nonsense though while being aloof from it all. Doesn't require much does it?


  • #347
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Sungodbr wrote: »
    500,000 Euro for wrong murder conviction is the payment they owe her now

    The Italians will appeal to the Supreme Court. Obviously she isnt going to come back to Italy for that. I wonder if she will still get the 500,000 if she refuses to return?


  • #348
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Giblet wrote: »
    It's only nonsense when it's not backed up by anything. Fortunately wiki allows users to add citations to any claims, which can be verified, they even cite the very document you are about to read. Now, you can sit there and say "Ah sure anyone can edit it, so I don't do", but as anyone with a brain can understand, just because a information aggregation site can be edited by anyone, it's base functionality provides the ability to verify it's claims, and you too can successfully navigate a wiki and gleam the appropriate information from it. It's easier to say it's all nonsense though.

    Are you done? This nose typing thing really isn't easy.


  • #349
    4leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭4leto


    Mazeire wrote: »
    I think she will have to take a civil action against them. If it's successful, it will be enormous.


    That's the test, will she?, she would want to be absolutely sure of her innocents and it can be absolutely proven.


  • #350
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    The Italians will appeal to the Supreme Court. Obviously she isnt going to come back to Italy for that. I wonder if she will still get the 500,000 if she refuses to return?


    I'd imagine she wants to get the hell out of there and forget it ever existed.


  • #351
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Are you done? This nose typing thing really isn't easy.

    It's ok, I'll allow you to back out gracefully.

    Also you spelled "nonsense" incorrectly. Work on those nose skills...


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  • #352
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    She did falsely accuse someone of murder.

    That's an unusual thing to do.

    How is that unusual may I ask? Guilty or not and human nature being what it is, people do point fingers. Now putting it in context, we have a young girl imprisoned in a foreign country. Facing incessant police questioning and pressure. Perhaps one could then see how she and many before her, have pointed accusing fingers at others.


  • #353
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    4leto wrote: »
    That's the test, will she?, she would want to be absolutely sure of her innocents and it can be absolutely proven.

    Mmmm.... See I'm not sure about that. I would Imagine she just wants to forget it regardless of if she is innocent or not plus I don't think her family would let her go back. They really have been through the mill.


  • #354
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    The Italians will appeal to the Supreme Court. Obviously she isnt going to come back to Italy for that. I wonder if she will still get the 500,000 if she refuses to return?


    Do you think they will appeal? I know they said that they would but will they want to embarrass themselves even more? Do the Americans have to extradite her if the Italians demand it?


  • #355
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Giblet wrote: »
    It's ok, I'll allow you to back out gracefully.

    Also you spelled "nonsense" incorrectly. Work on those nose skills...



    Will do promise. The next time you come on here waffling on your soap box, I'll be up to speed.


  • #356
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Anyone see the crazy guy on CNN? Coming up the camera and giving out I think he went around a few different reporters? He was speaking Italian the reporter said he was talking about Burlesconi.


  • #357
    nagirrac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭nagirrac


    Mazeire wrote: »
    Again, She should have been properly assessed. But we will never know now.

    Actually it's a decent point to bring up. There has been some discussion about her exhibiting some of the symptoms of high functional autism, possibly Aspergers. She appears to have some of the common symptoms but who knows, there are lots of people on the autism spectrum who are never diagnosed.
    Even if she had been evaluated would likely have made no difference to either trial.
    Three people are being forgotten in the discussion and by the media:
    1. First and foremost poor Meredict who was raped and slaughtered
    2. Rudy Guede who was convicted on overwhelming evidence and had his sentence reduced in half after implicating Knox and Sallicido (there are Skpe recordings of him after the crime where he said they were not there).
    3. Raffaela Sollicido whose only involvement appears to be he was Knox's boyfriend.


  • #358
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Tayla wrote: »
    Do you think they will appeal? I know they said that they would but will they want to embarrass themselves even more? Do the Americans have to extradite her if the Italians demand it?

    Apparently nobody from America has ever been extradited to Italy so the assumption is there is no chance of her being extradited


  • #359
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    nagirrac wrote: »
    3. Raffaela Sollicido whose only involvement appears to be he was Knox's boyfriend.

    .....that and the bra clasp which they didn't collect for 46 days :rolleyes:


  • #360
    Mazeire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭Mazeire


    Tayla wrote: »
    .....that and the bra clasp which they didn't collect for 46 days :rolleyes:

    Just talking about people at the moment I think.


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  • #361
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    Apparently nobody from America has ever been extradited to Italy so the assumption is there is no chance of her being extradited

    Interesting...I really can't see them appealing it then, they will have to deal with the embarrassment now of the whole world dissecting their justice system and also their terrible handling of Dna evidence.

    Wouldn't they rather it all went away now rather than dragging it all back up in a year or so and then deal with all the criticism and embarrassment once again when the U.S refuse to extradite her?


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