How much bread is too much?

thehamo

So, i'd eat on average 4 slices of wholegrain bread a day. Usually 2 for lunch and then 2 snacks throughout the rest of the day. If I'm trying to loose weight, is this too much to be eating? I know its hard to say without posting up the rest of my diet etc, but lets just say the rest of my diet is clean enough?

FarmerH

It's probably not what you wanted to hear but if you are trying to lose weight, it really is your overall diet and your calorie deficit that matters the most.

Bread can get a bit of bad press, but the real reason I haven't eaten much of it myself during my last fat cutting phase is cos i just can't spare the calories.

Whether 4 slices of wholegrain bread is too much or not really depends on everything else you're taking in and what your goals are.

I'd definitely recommend a slice with some eggs in the morning (and a small bowl of oats with berries). I eat something similar every day and I never get sick of it. Although if we were to take a figure of 90 kcal for a slice of bread (before you put any butter on it), for the sake of cutting out 2 slices, i can replace them with a tin of tuna and 1 ryevita with a side of spinach/rocket for roughly the same calories. A lot more nutritious

thehamo

Thanks for the reply

I suppose il stick up my Diet this is relitively what I would have every day.

Morning 40/50 grms porridge, tsp honey and skimmed milk

Lunch would be a sandwich. 2 slices bread, low fat butter and ham and cheese (processed low fat. I know I know) Sometimes have a bagle with2 poached eggs.

Snack Fruit banana, kiwi, apple, orange. or Slice of bread with slice of ham

Dinner: Could vary. Stirfries with chicken and home made sauce no rice, grilled pork chops with vegetables and potatoes (2 medium sized potatos) Chicken inwhole grain pitta with veg and low fat mayo with home made chili sauce, ratatoulie and fish, 2 egg omlette with 1 slice of bread.

Evening snack would be probably a slice of wholegrain toast.

Copious amounts of black tea with no sugar drank throught the day and average about 1 litre of water a day too.

My stats are male 5'8.5, 93kg very stocky build so i'd be quite heavy anyway but I do have a lot of belly fat to get rid of so im on a mission!

COH

thehamo wrote: »

I suppose il stick up my Diet this is relitively what I would have every day.

Morning CARB/SUGAR
Lunch would be a sandwich. CARBS/SMALL BIT OF PROTEIN
Snack CARB/SUGAR
Dinner: Could vary. CARB/PROTEIN
Evening snack would be probably a CARBS
Copious amounts of WATER
My stats are male 5'8.5, 93kg very stocky build so i'd be quite heavy anyway but I do have a lot of belly fat to get rid of so im on a mission!

^^Theres your problem ^^

If you're going to train to be 'built like a bad-ass' you need to be eating accordingly

thehamo

COH wrote: »

thehamo wrote: »

I suppose il stick up my Diet this is relitively what I would have every day.

Morning CARB/SUGAR
Lunch would be a sandwich. CARBS/SMALL BIT OF PROTEIN
Snack CARB/SUGAR
Dinner: Could vary. CARB/PROTEIN
Evening snack would be probably a CARBS
Copious amounts of WATER
My stats are male 5'8.5, 93kg very stocky build so i'd be quite heavy anyway but I do have a lot of belly fat to get rid of so im on a mission!

^^Theres your problem ^^

If you're going to train to be 'built like a bad-ass' you need to be eating accordingly

Lol. Point taken!

FarmerH

Your diet is not too bad OP, and would just need a bit of tweaking rather than an overhaul.

Breakfast: Stick with the porridge, maybe add some berries. Definitely try to get some eggs in as well every day to add protein. It'd be worth thinking about an Omega 3 supplement.

Lunch: Try add more protein by swapping in a small chicken breast, tuna, mackerel, cottage cheese. Possibly replace bread with ryevita, or cut down to one slice of bread and double the meat. Make it an open sandwich with some spinach/rocket/celery/tomatoes

Snack: Fruit is great but don't go mad on it. I'd personally advise a piece of fruit and a few almonds/cashews, or some cottage cheese, or possibly a corn cake with natural peanut butter. Maybe look into a Whey Protein Shake. And always plenty of water

Dinner: Seems honest enough. Just keep an eye on portion sizes. I tend to stick with my protein with a side of sweet potato and turnip or brown rice (and always with veg). I load up with carbs and an extra portion of chicken/steak/fish/turkey on a bulk and swap for more veg less starch when dieting down. You seem to do a lot of home cooking so you'll know there is a lot you can do with these ingredients.

Evening snack: As per snack above. Try to get some protein in if you can. I'm not fully convinced by food timings (ie dont eat carbs after 8 etc), as i work shift. I just try a keep a lid on the portions and try to have some protein in every meal.

Try drink more water. Aim for 2l to start and then push it on from there past the 3l mark

If you're really interested in losing weight, sort yourself out with a good training program including cardio and weights. I've also always gotten the best weight loss results when counting the calories. As tedious as it is, i can honestly say it works for me. I'd estimate you at about 23-2400 kcals a day. This would mean eating 18-1900 kcals a day to lose a pound a week. This is not much food at all for a stocky guy, so to use up 20% of that on 4 slices of bread might be a bit of a waste. Exercise will help increase the defecit, allowing you to eat more, but this can easily be wiped out by a heap of pints and a Chinese at the weekend. I have one cheat meal every ten days myself, but rarely drink (anymore). Consistency is very very important

Best of luck

Fionne

My doctor sent me to a nutritionist who said nobody should have more than 2 slices of bread per day. And for potatoes, 2 egg-sized potatoes is the correct portion. And cereal is the size of those variety pack boxes i.e. tiny.

She also said that eating, for example 3 apples a pear and a banana could be as many calories as a bar of chocolate so you can't just eat fruit and disregard whatever calories you're taking in from it.

El_Dangeroso

I'd recommend anyone try going bread free for two weeks and then re-introduce.

I never realised how much bread bloated me until I kicked it to the curb for a little while.

It also forces you to replace the bread with something and generally the variety in your diet increases. Bread is probably the most efficient calorie delivery medium so you'll find overall cals decrease beyond just bread cals too.

gavtron

fonril wrote: »

My doctor sent me to a nutritionist who said nobody should have more than 2 slices of bread per day. And for potatoes, 2 egg-sized potatoes is the correct portion. And cereal is the size of those variety pack boxes i.e. tiny.

She also said that eating, for example 3 apples a pear and a banana could be as many calories as a bar of chocolate so you can't just eat fruit and disregard whatever calories you're taking in from it.

First part, 2 slices of bread, 2 egg-sized potatoes...no matter how big or small you are and what your goals are?

Second part, yeah i agree, sort of. I'd be more worried about the sugar.

marathonic

I know someone who’s doing that Slimming World thing. I’m not certain, but I think their rule is that you choose either 2 slices of bread or a small portion of potatoes each day, but can’t have both.

Obviously, different people have different calorie requirements but I think the basic idea is sound – if you have a higher calorie requirement, try to build up the remaining calories around a diet that’s high in good fats and protein and better sources of carbs.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Nobody should really be eating any bread, it has no taste and even if it was 1 calorie per slice it would be a waste, its one of the most processed foods out their, it puts a lot of work on our gut to digest it, some people cant probably digest it at all, resulting in years of Diahorrea and not knowing the reason why until you cut it out of your diet completely,

Seriously op, for 2 weeks cut out processed grain completely and see how your body feels.

FYG

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Nobody should really be eating any bread, it has no taste and even if it was 1 calorie per slice it would be a waste, its one of the most processed foods out their, it puts a lot of work on our gut to digest it, some people cant probably digest it at all, resulting in years of Diahorrea and not knowing the reason why until you cut it out of your diet completely,

Seriously op, for 2 weeks cut out processed grain completely and see how your body feels.

Would you recommend eating Ryvita instead of bread, or does that fall under "processed grain" too?

karbear

not all bread is created equal- if you're going to have it, wholegrain is best (as compared to white bread), but do look at the nutrition label, as i've seen some that range from just 95 calories to 205 calories/slice. If you really want bread, go for a thinly sliced whole grain soda bread, as just one slice is fairly filling/satisfying.

maybe also try swapping your sandwich at lunch for salad- spinach especially has great nutrients and you can eat loads and loads for minimal calories.

Transform

karbear wrote: »

not all bread is created equal- if you're going to have it, wholegrain is best (as compared to white bread), but do look at the nutrition label, as i've seen some that range from just 95 calories to 205 calories/slice. If you really want bread, go for a thinly sliced whole grain soda bread, as just one slice is fairly filling/satisfying.

maybe also try swapping your sandwich at lunch for salad- spinach especially has great nutrients and you can eat loads and loads for minimal calories.

total BS - wholegrain is no better than white. its just the colour and the fibre debate is another issue.

Faults of bread - leptin resistance, gliadin, lectins, calories, amylopectin A etc etc

How much bread = no bread. Go off it for at least a month, go back on one day and then you can see for yourself the problems

FYG

Transform wrote: »

How much bread = no bread. Go off it for at least a month, go back on one day and then you can see for yourself the problems

As above, would you recommend Ryvita as a substitute for bread, or should that be avoided too?

Transform

FYG wrote: »

As above, would you recommend Ryvita as a substitute for bread, or should that be avoided too?

yes avoided - onyl thing i would come close to recommending would be oatcakes or rice cakes as i have found clients tend to function better on either or both. Usually put on some nut butter, real butter, salmon, tuna, avocado i.e. something with fats and protein or both.

Still does not mean you have 10 oatcakes and think thats the solution

karbear

Transform wrote: »

total BS - wholegrain is no better than white. its just the colour and the fibre debate is another issue.

Faults of bread - leptin resistance, gliadin, lectins, calories, amylopectin A etc etc

How much bread = no bread. Go off it for at least a month, go back on one day and then you can see for yourself the problems

it's actually not just a difference of color- proper wholegrain bread utilizes all three nutrients found in wheat while white bread only uses one after its flour has been processed so much; therefore whole grain bread has more complex carbs, more fiber and more nutrients overall.

are you suggesting it's mostly a gluten issue? i have heard that many people might have problems digesting it (not necessarily being diagnosed as celiac). on the other hand, the only study that i've come across regarding cutting out gluten was one asking athletes to gauge how they felt working out on a gluten-free diet and only some reported that they felt better without it- not really a scientific reason for giving it up completely.

i'm digressing a little from the bread issue, but just wondering if it's sound advice to tell everyone to give up bread completely? i'd appreciate any links to studies you might have on this issue. thanks.

karbear

karbear wrote: »

it's actually not just a difference of color- proper wholegrain bread utilizes all three nutrients found in wheat while white bread only uses one after its flour has been processed so much; therefore whole grain bread has more complex carbs, more fiber and more nutrients overall.

are you suggesting it's mostly a gluten issue? i have heard that many people might have problems digesting it (not necessarily being diagnosed as celiac). on the other hand, the only study that i've come across regarding cutting out gluten was one asking athletes to gauge how they felt working out on a gluten-free diet and only some reported that they felt better without it- not really a scientific reason for giving it up completely.

i'm digressing a little from the bread issue, but just wondering if it's sound advice to tell everyone to give up bread completely? i'd appreciate any links to studies you might have on this issue. thanks.

Taken from their own site

Brennans
Thick Catering Brown 1,200g

Nutritional Information

Nutritional Information (per 100g)
Energy KJ 920
Energy kcal 217
Protein 8.6
Carbohydrates 36.2
Sugar 0.2
Fat 1.9
Saturated Fat 0.7
Fibre 8
Sodium 4
Salt 10.2

Nutritional Information (per slice)
Energy KJ 653
Energy kcal 154
Protein 6.1
Carbohydrates 25.7
Sugar 0.1
Fat 1.3
Saturated Fat 0.5
Fibre 5.7
Sodium 0.3
Salt 0.76

GDA (%)
Calories 8
Sugar 1
Fat 1
Saturated Fat 29
Salt 13
Fibre 1

Brennans
Thick Catering White 1,200g

Nutritional Information

Nutritional Information (per 100g)
Energy KJ 926
Energy kcal 217
Protein 8.4
Carbohydrates 49.3
Sugar 3
Fat 1.3
Saturated Fat 0.4
Fibre 3.7
Sodium 0.4
Salt 1.02

Nutritional Information (per slice)
Energy KJ 657
Energy kcal 154
Protein 6
Carbohydrates 35
Sugar 2.1
Fat 0.9
Saturated Fat 0.3
Fibre 2.6
Sodium 0.4
Salt 1.02

GDA (%)
Calories 8
Sugar 2
Fat 1
Saturated Fat 2
Salt 17
Fibre 11

Why would you need to eat any of this? Look at the salt content, the ratio of carbs: proteins: fats and the abundance of calories per gram. Of course it's fine to say cut bread out completely. What would be the problem with doing so in your eyes?

SteelyDanJalapeno

As the previous poster pointed out, theres no meaningful difference between white and brown or wholegrain, whatever you want to call it,

it the above case the brown is worse than the white.

Would people who eat bread, still eat it plain? with nothing on it? no sandwich filling, no butter, no jam etc etc?

no, because it tastes bland, its just a flavourless carrier.

El_Dangeroso

Any traditional societies that eat wheat and are healthy don't eat the bran, or at least rid as much of the bran from the flour as they can.

They freshly grind it, soak it and then ferment the hell out of it. That seems to maximise the nutrition.

If you think any of the so-called whole-grain breads on a supermarket shelf come close to this you are kidding yourself. Real whole-grain wheat bread is so dense as to be practically inedible. Hence why 'wheat flour' aka white flour is an ingredient in every bread on the shelf, even 'whole wheat' bread. Any supermarket bread is a highly processed food.

Eat it if you want but don't proclaim it to be a health food.

iora_rua

I've just sort of wandered into this thread, picking up on the bread info. Has anyone tried the 'new' Rye and Linseed loaf in the fresh bakery section of Lidl (if your Lidl has one, that is)? As it's baked in-store, there's no list of ingredients, other than the aforementioned, but it does feel heavier than your average loaf of bread. It's not as dense as the usual Continental/Polish style rye bread and it tastes quite pleasant - nutty and slightly crunchy. Would be interested to hear if this is OK to eat - say one slice at lunch time, or is it as bad for me as all that wheat 'n' stuff? I need to slim down a bit but don't want to go overboard with all the dieting!

karbear

i'm not saying i think bread is a health food, but there are healthy options- clearly packaged breads in supermarkets are not going to be as healthy as what you could make yourself at home/find in a bakery.

i guess i don't see what's wrong with having one piece of bread in a day... for me moderation seems to be the key to a successful diet rather than labeling certain things forbidden.

karbear

just thought i'd add a link about wholegrain, which includes what ingredients to look for in a healthy bread...

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates/

i agree that what is commonly marketed as wholegrain isn't really- but there are good options!

jam_mac_jam

its junk food, dont fool yourself that its good for you. Eat it but eat it as a treat. Not once or twice a day and certainly not 4 slices a day. For the calories it provides it is not nutritious. You will find it very hard to loose weight eating that much a day.

jam_mac_jam

karbear wrote: »

just thought i'd add a link about wholegrain, which includes what ingredients to look for in a healthy bread...

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates/

i agree that what is commonly marketed as wholegrain isn't really- but there are good options!

There are good options but that doesnt mean its good for you, a small scone is better than a huge danish, doesnt mean a scone is good for you. Its nearly the same calories as cheese yet you wouldnt dream of eating four huge slices of cheese if you were trying to loose weight.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Was in work a few weeks back having my bacon and eggs, when a colleague remarked that I was on the fast track to a heart attack!

I shut him up by pointing there was more calories in the scone and Jam he was eating opposite me.

jam_mac_jam

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Was in work a few weeks back having my bacon and eggs, when a colleague remarked that I was on the fast track to a heart attack!

I shut him up by pointing there was more calories in the scone and Jam he was eating opposite me.

Very true. Those scones do taste so nice though.. sigh.

Squiggle

Anyone on here read the Heart Scan Blog by DR William Davis? He is a strong opponent of wheat consumption for humans and writes fairly compelling stuff for it's elimination from our diets. Haven't managed to do it yet meself :pac:

El_Dangeroso

Squiggle wrote: »

Anyone on here read the Heart Scan Blog by DR William Davis? He is a strong opponent of wheat consumption for humans and writes fairly compelling stuff for it's elimination from our diets. Haven't managed to do it yet meself :pac:

Yeah, I've read his stuff and was taken in by it at first. But then realised he doesn't reference anything (all anecdata) and is really prone to hyperbole. And, totally specious, but he's gotten a bit fat of late, his pic on the site is not how he looks lately.

Roger Marbles

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Yeah, I've read his stuff and was taken in by it at first. But then realised he doesn't reference anything (all anecdata) and is really prone to hyperbole. And, totally specious, but he's gotten a bit fat of late, his pic on the site is not how he looks lately.

His recent book Wheat Belly is fully referenced..

El_Dangeroso

Roger Marbles wrote: »

His recent book Wheat Belly is fully referenced..

Meh.. I doubt they back up what he claims, the scientific evidence against wheat is at the moment circumstantial. I agree that lots of people would do better to cut it out of their diet (and even if they didn't they'd lose out on nothing.), but I stopped listening to Dr. Davis when he started yammering on about the insulin response of butter..tsh!:)

Roger Marbles

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Meh.. I doubt they back up what he claims, the scientific evidence against wheat is at the moment circumstantial. I agree that lots of people would do better to cut it out of their diet (and even if they didn't they'd lose out on nothing.), but I stopped listening to Dr. Davis when he started yammering on about the insulin response of butter..tsh!:)

Fair enough, didn't know that.

I wouldn't say the evidence is circumstantial though, well not what I've read in the book. He discusses celiac disease at depth and also talks about the history and evolution of wheat. Nothing outlandish there. Also discusses AGEs and wheat's opiate like properties.

Thought it was a very good read myself.

El_Dangeroso

Roger Marbles wrote: »

Fair enough, didn't know that.

I wouldn't say the evidence is circumstantial though, well not what I've read in the book. He discusses celiac disease at depth and also talks about the history and evolution of wheat. Nothing outlandish there. Also discusses AGEs and wheat's opiate like properties.

Thought it was a very good read myself.

I don't doubt it. It's always nice to read things that re-enforce your own personal experience of the world and there may well be something very wrong with a particular breed of modern wheat but when you look at the health of people at the turn of the 19th century they're not fat, but they are so far from healthy with tooth decay amongst other things.

I think the answer to ALL modern health woes = banning wheat is way to simple an answer.

Having said that I don't think bread is healthy, but I'm basing that on a multi-faceted intervention in a healthy diet, and therein lies the difficulty in teasing the factors apart.

Transform

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I don't doubt it. It's always nice to read things that re-enforce your own personal experience of the world and there may well be something very wrong with a particular breed of modern wheat but when you look at the health of people at the turn of the 19th century they're not fat, but they are so far from healthy with tooth decay amongst other things.

I think the answer to ALL modern health woes = banning wheat is way to simple an answer.

Having said that I don't think bread is healthy, but I'm basing that on a multi-faceted intervention in a healthy diet, and therein lies the difficulty in teasing the factors apart.

tooth decay - you have not read much of the weston a price stuff as any of the tribes he studied had perfect teeth.

Dr Davis also bases his advice on the thousands of patients he deals with daily so it more than just the research.

I think if you go over the notes from the ancestral health symposium you will have a very well balanced view on things and there is virtually no body (out of over 20 lectures) suggesting that wheat as its currently being prepared a good food. If it were prepared through traditional methods i think we could have a more favourable food but thats not what is being consumed daily by most

Transform

karbear wrote: »

just thought i'd add a link about wholegrain, which includes what ingredients to look for in a healthy bread...

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates/

i agree that what is commonly marketed as wholegrain isn't really- but there are good options!

list the good options so?

Transform

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Yeah, I've read his stuff and was taken in by it at first. But then realised he doesn't reference anything (all anecdata) and is really prone to hyperbole. And, totally specious, but he's gotten a bit fat of late, his pic on the site is not how he looks lately.

wheat belly is fully referenced plus if you go on to many of the other ancestral health sites out there there are more than enough papers for support of grain reduction

stellios

Not trying to hijack thread, but I think this question might be relevant.

Pair of identical Twins. Both 13 stone, 6ft very active. Play same sports and get same exercise but have different diets.

A
Breakfast: Porridge/eggs
Break: Eggs bacon
Lunch: Chicken Salad
Dinner: Lots of steamed veg, Steak/chicken
Snacks: Apple, Bannana

B
Breakfast: White toast butter jam/cereal
Break: Brown bread, butter, jam
Lunch: rice, chicken/beef, veg
Dinner: Pasta/spuds, veg, chicken/ beef
Snacks: Slice of toast

Which will feel/look better. Will one diet be better for exercise, or will there be any difference at all?

stellios

stellios wrote: »

Not trying to hijack thread, but I think this question might be relevant.

Pair of identical Twins. Both 13 stone, 6ft very active. Play same sports and get same exercise but have different diets.

A
Breakfast: Porridge/eggs
Break: Eggs bacon
Lunch: Chicken Salad
Dinner: Lots of steamed veg, Steak/chicken
Snacks: Apple, Bannana

B
Breakfast: White toast butter jam/cereal
Break: Brown bread, butter, jam
Lunch: rice, chicken/beef, veg
Dinner: Pasta/spuds, veg, chicken/ beef
Snacks: Slice of toast

Which will feel/look better. Will one diet be better for exercise, or will there be any difference at all?

Should be mixing both of those diets as if they genuinely are very active they will need to have elements of both. They will need carbohydrates after training to replenish glycogen in their muscles and will clearly need protein and fats. But the first diet would certainly be advisable for most people.

Essentially diet is a function of several things.
An ideal diet is based upon Lifestyle + Aims + current body.
But Lifestyle is also based on aims and diet + current body.

The relationships between each is important to note when trying to figure out the correct nutrition.

stellios

Deleted User wrote: »

Should be mixing both of those diets as if they genuinely are very active they will need to have elements of both. They will need carbohydrates after training to replenish glycogen in their muscles and will clearly need protein and fats. But the first diet would certainly be advisable for most people.

Essentially diet is a function of several things.
An ideal diet is based upon Lifestyle + Aims + current body.
But Lifestyle is also based on aims and diet + current body.

The relationships between each is important to note when trying to figure out the correct nutrition.

Thanks for that. So from the direction the thread was going, will the lack of wheat in diet A be a major benifit?

stellios

stellios wrote: »

Thanks for that. So from the direction the thread was going, will the lack of wheat in diet A be a major benifit?

not particularly the lack of wheat, but the lack of carbohydrates. Wheat is not the only source of carbohydrate available to us. Simple fixes like adding a scoop of dextrose to a protein shake, or eating an apple and a chicken breast straight after training could potentially be enough.

Again, it depends on what you deem "very active", marathon runners/trainers are going to need to get more into their diet than someone who cycles 10k to work each day and plays 5 a side 2 nights a week.

What would be the persons overall aim? To maintain fitness and form and physique? To lose "shape" but keep the muscle? To get very lean?

stellios

ok, very active as in train twice a week and a game at weekend (GAA) to be lean, maintain fitness (and weight) and have good physical strenght

From what i have read, cutting out bread, cereals, pastas (wheat) is the way to go ?

yup, probably can make do with very few carbohydrates with a lifestyle as described. Cutting them out of everyday food is tough, but worth it I think.

If you do want/need to have some eating bread/cereals/pasta after training is fine too.

stellios

Deleted User wrote: »

yup, probably can make do with very few carbohydrates with a lifestyle as described. Cutting them out of everyday food is tough, but worth it I think.

If you do want/need to have some eating bread/cereals/pasta after training is fine too.

It is tough, for the effort it takes i would hope it would be worth it!

Wheat - Bad
Oats?

Scanlas The 2nd

stellios wrote: »

It is tough, for the effort it takes i would hope it would be worth it!

Wheat - Bad
Oats?

less bad

stellios

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

less bad

so porridge, its not a super food?

Scanlas The 2nd

stellios wrote: »

so porridge, its not a super food?

I'm sure plenty here will disagree but no not imo. Eggs are much better.

boomtown84

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'm sure plenty here will disagree but no not imo. Eggs are much better.

they are two completely different foods which serve two completely different purposes....so what's your point?
here's an idea....eat both.

Scanlas The 2nd

boomtown84 wrote: »

they are two completely different foods which serve two completely different purposes....so what's your point?
here's an idea....eat both.

My point is eggs have more nutritional value.

Niall0

stellios wrote: »

so porridge, its not a super food?

Super food is kind of a buzzword. Porridge is a good source of Carbs, if you enjoy it more power to you.

metamorphosis

There's no 'super food', only food and stuff pretending to be food that eat regardless.

Actually, liver is probably close to what's referred to as 'super food', but i still cannot enjoy eating it, so i don't bother much. No matter how much I mask it, i still hate it.

metamorphosis

Also, on the eggs and oats thing, eggs are much easier to eat. With oats, to get the most benefit out of them, they really should be fermented overnight, with eggs, just pop in microwave for 2min and voila - scrambled eggs