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Resident Evil HD remakes
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »But we're not arguing about RE5
I doubt anyone here is willing to call RE5 anything than merely OK - it was too far towards action, with bosses that took glowing orange weak points to hilarious new extremes.
RE4 is not RE5. Nor is it RE2. And that's entirely the point. Resident Evil 1-3 are still great games. But they're off their time, there's no doubt about that. Things like 'the green key' were never good puzzle design, although they're happily carried over to the newer games to retain that feeling. And as for tight ammo and medicine? Well, that is even more pronounced in 4 than it is in the others. How much time was spent desperately running around searching for shotgun shells as the crowds slowly overwhelmed you? And herbs and sprays were an equally precious resource. The difference is that the combat mechanics in RE4 are, you know, good as opposed to the charming but old-fashioned survival horrors of old. And with countless Silent Hills, Project Zeros, Dino Crisises, Clock Towers and who knows how many others, survival horror as it used to be is a well worn genre.
Shinji Mikami is one of gaming's great visionaries and entertainers, and he brought Resident Evil smack bang up-to-date with RE4. We as gamers often have a sense of entitlement - we demand freshness while moaning about change. A new 'traditional' Resi 4 would have been easy. Hell they even gave it a go:
But Mikami et al. decided it didn't work, or it was just on autopilot, so scrapped it and went balls out on a new build while staying true to the original. I'm genuinely surprised anyone could think it was a bad decision after playing through the glorious opening twenty minutes of RE4. That house siege, and the unexpected decapitation that cruelly ended my first attempt, are easily amongst my favourite, most exhilarating gaming moments of all times.
And hey, it could have been worse. You could have gotten Resident Evil 4: Devil May Cry as was once the plan.
sorry, it had to be re4/re5
that early biuld looks way more interesting then what re4 is now.
one more thing that annoys me about re4: It is all cultist, magic bull****.
we had 2 horror survival franchises:
fiction style: Silent hill. briliant series, it was horror survival game, but we all knew it was fiction and paranormal.
"realistic" style: RE1-2-3. It was horror survival, but all proved by science ( its silly, yeah ), some bio weapon, man made weapon which makes people in to zombies etc. mutation and T-virus.
in RE4, they took old character and made all this bull**** with fiction and magic and other crap.
i said it before, it might be a good game, but its not an RE game. they just steped in ****, and now its too late to get out of it. they could have donw something like dice did with battlefield:
battlefield: x
battlefield: bad company x
it works out 2 different franchises and they dont damage each other when they go different ways.
this new racoon city game is coming out, it tries to go back to its roots, but its 4 people co-op which will fail. Lost planet looks great, but this 4 player campaign killed it. You cant make a good story and gameplay when you need coordinate 4 people. You can make it a good action game, but you cant pull a good story driven game.
i know we went offtopic with this RE4 good/bad game, but in the end it became an interesting debate
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If it clearly wasn't working for RE3.. Why did they continue to use the same formula for Code veronica and Resi 0? Which were both awesome games i may add.
I'm not saying no good came of Resi 4, far from it, i loved the changes they made to the game, but just not with the story and style of play. They could have easily kept the survival horror aspect and use of puzzles and stayed true to the game in terms of story also and we would have loved it.
But they decided to change the game completely, likely to reach a wider audience, But they are in the biz to make money and only money, I'm a fool in this day and age for thinking things can remain sacred
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The thing I liked about RE4 was the over-the-shoulder view of running around and shooting zombies/ infected. Controlling Leon felt like controlling a powerhouse as it was usually pretty easy to line up multiple headshots on a group of enemies as they sprinted toward you and then slowed down to a casual stroll as they got closer.
However there were then sections of tension like (spoiler tags for that 1 guy who hasn't played it yet
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being chased through the village by a chainsaw wielding freak with a bag on his head, being under siege in a house by torching wielding maniacs, getting locked in rooms with those wolverine-claw giants, fighting groups of cult members in a medieval castleand a lot more. Enemies were thrown at players a lot more in this then in any previous Resident Evil game and Leon was equipped to deal with them in a fun-to-play manner.
What previous Resident Evil games had that was absent from RE4 was fear for the character you controlled. In the first game Jill/ Chris were all alone in a spooky mansion. Ammo was scarce and enemies were a lot more lethal. You had a gun, then a shotgun but you never knew when your ammo would run out and if, in the next room, was a stash of bullets, or a room of zombies. Jill and Chris were a lot more vulnerable and players felt it.
As I mentioned above, RE4 Leon was a powerhouse and after 6ish games of taking it slow, the higher level of action was welcome.
The fear for oneself was taken out of RE4 and replaced by new, more action based gameplay. As I said before, a natural progression for what otherwise may have been an unpopular more-of-the-same kind of game that would not be getting a re-released for the millionth time this week.
I think this is essentially what ShadowHearth wanted to say but it came out "Wut, n0 z0mb13z?" 0 -
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Not sure what the complaints about Resi 4 being more action orientated are about. Ever since Resi 2 the gaes have been far more action orientated than being like Resi 1 other than the Remake obviously.johnny_ultimate wrote: »Isn't HD based on the PC version rather than the PS2 one?
Which was based on the PS2 version.
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Then again, we shouldn't really be surprised Capcom are milking the hell out of this franchise. They've done it before. I remember all the kudos they garnered with the remake of Resi 1, which still stands up as the most worthwhile 'update' of an older game. Having been too young when the PS1 games were released, I loved getting to experience the remake when the original seemed a bit creaky. And then they announced the remakes of 2 & 3 for Gamecube. But they weren't remakes. They were the old games
Again, a cheap trick to cash in on consumer good will. Boo-urns. 0 -
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Kind of weird that Resi 4 is so shoddy yet Code Veronica has been updated a bit and has been remade on the MT Framework engine apparently with real time shadows, improved lighting and water shaders added.
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Resi 2 after the cop station became far more action orientated with a lot more ammo available and the game becoming more linear with hub sections in between. The later games followed the same formula with sparse ammo at the start before bcoming more linear and plenty of ammo and weapons available.
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Will do, cool vid comparison.
Gonna wait for the imminent sale me thinks, have a bucket load of games to keep me going in the mean timeDo so, in some way!
€15 is too expensive for this, wait til it goes on sale. I bought it, but only because I'm a Resident Evil nut. Kotaku posted a comparison video:
http://kotaku.com/5842732/watch-resident-evil-4--hd-vs-resident-evil-4-for-gamecube
I love how any topic about this series descends into the same "4/5 suck, bring back old-school RE", every single time. Much as I love old-school RE, it was really tired by the time Zero came out. REmake was amazing and it was the ultimate representation of the RE formula, but it was time for change.
Playing it over the last few days, I'm reminded how amazing RE4 is; so, so much better than 5. The atmosphere, the sense of isolation and the mystery were excellent. And that inventory screen is OCD heaven!0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGRZwypXMFg
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